Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#8041 Sep 2, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>I know what you talking about Cleveland I had to work around them there but no, Social Security & Medicare you dont have to contribute to it and that is why people don't work, have five kids, and then get to vote on new schools or pay increase for teachers and the only ones contributing to it are the one working.
Bush proved with signing into law Medicare Part D and adding it to the deficit, Socialism it is.
Yes, that does go on, but I would think that most of the people who collect SS and Medicare paid into it their entire lives. I don't think they should be stripped of their voting rights simply because they are getting paid back what they put in.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#8042 Sep 2, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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You missed the point entirely. We have people in our society that have the right to vote money out of other peoples pockets for their benefit. I don't care if it's a local, state or federal issue.
IMO, if you contribute nothing to society, you should lose your right to vote; especially on fiscal issues. If you don't pay federal income taxes, fine. But you should not be allowed to vote in a federal election on politicians who promise to take more money from other people to give to you.
By that logic, the Koch Brothers shouldn't be allowed to vote either. Do you really believe that the richest Americans aren't voting to take money away from others to give to them? Ever hear of oil subsidies?
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#8043 Sep 2, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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SS and Medicare are a bit different since you contributed to the systems. And in the situation I presented on our schools, if you pay city and property tax, then yes, you can vote for tax increases for your children's school. What I get irritated at are the people I see in my city who you know don't work, have five kids, and then get to vote on new schools or pay increase for teachers.
We have one of the worst Presidents in our time in office now. The polls should be reading Obama 30% and Romeny 70%. But they are neck and neck. Why? Because we have 100 million people on food stamps and Medicaid alone. Those people will be voting this election to keep a guy in power who wants to take even more money from producers to give to them.
There you go with that fake food stamp/medicaid number again.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#8044 Sep 2, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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By that logic, the Koch Brothers shouldn't be allowed to vote either. Do you really believe that the richest Americans aren't voting to take money away from others to give to them? Ever hear of oil subsidies?
And what are subsidies? It's a liberal word for tax write-offs. Koch and oil companies pay out the nose in taxes. If they get something back, then more power to them. Compare that with people who put nothing into society or it's safety nets and take advantage of them year after year.

Since: Aug 11

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#8045 Sep 2, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Yes, that does go on, but I would think that most of the people who collect SS and Medicare paid into it their entire lives. I don't think they should be stripped of their voting rights simply because they are getting paid back what they put in.
why do you think Bush & the Republicans targeted them with the expansion of Medicare part D to influence the election through goverment money.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#8046 Sep 2, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>why do you think Bush & the Republicans targeted them with the expansion of Medicare part D to influence the election through goverment money.
It's all vote buying. Senior citizens may not be the largest block of voters, but they are the most loyal in the election process.

Since: Aug 11

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#8047 Sep 2, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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And what are subsidies? It's a liberal word for tax write-offs. Koch and oil companies pay out the nose in taxes. If they get something back, then more power to them. Compare that with people who put nothing into society or it's safety nets and take advantage of them year after year.
GOP blocks Obama's bid to end oil subsidies

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505266_162-574069...

Senate Republicans filibuster to protect oil-industry subsidies after getting gusher of oil money

http://grist.org/oil/2011-05-17-senate-republ...
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#8048 Sep 2, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
And what are subsidies? It's a liberal word for tax write-offs. Koch and oil companies pay out the nose in taxes. If they get something back, then more power to them. Compare that with people who put nothing into society or it's safety nets and take advantage of them year after year.
Man. You live in a parallel reality.
Duke for Mayor

United States

#8049 Sep 2, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You missed the point entirely. We have people in our society that have the right to vote money out of other peoples pockets for their benefit. I don't care if it's a local, state or federal issue.
IMO, if you contribute nothing to society, you should lose your right to vote; especially on fiscal issues. If you don't pay federal income taxes, fine. But you should not be allowed to vote in a federal election on politicians who promise to take more money from other people to give to you.
I guarantee that landlords like you raise the rent when taxes go up.
To say that renters don't pay taxes is bullshitt

woof
Duke for Mayor

United States

#8050 Sep 2, 2012
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Keep your ideology the hell out of my capitalism.
Keep your ideology out of this country's successful versions of socialism.

woof

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#8051 Sep 2, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep your ideology out of this country's successful versions of socialism.
woof
exactly it Socialsim, if it were Capitalism there would be no such thing as Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Federal Government sponsored welfare agricultural programs such as the Crop Insurance Program which too many are dependent on.

History of the Crop Insurance Program

Congress first authorized Federal crop insurance in the 1930s along with other initiatives to help agriculture recover from the combined effects of the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl. The Federal Crop Insurance Corporation (FCIC) was created in 1938 to carry out the program. Initially, the program was started as an experiment, and crop insurance activities were mostly limited to major crops in the main producing areas. Crop insurance remained an experiment until passage of the Federal Crop Insurance Act of 1980 by Jimmy Carter.

http://www.rma.usda.gov/aboutrma/what/history...

Federal Crop Insurance Corporation

FCIC was created by the United States Congress in legislation that passed on February 16, 1938 (7 U.S.C. 1501). The legislation was created in response to the economic difficulties brought to the U.S. farming industry by the Great Depression and the weather-related catastrophe of the Dust Bowl.[1] On September 26, 1980, the program was expanded through Public Law 96-365.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Crop_Ins...
free

Loveland, OH

#8052 Sep 2, 2012
Romney's can evaluate the condition of a company and determine whether it's salvagable or thru poor management not, going to make it. He's pragmatic enough to see the writing on the wall and set a course to save what can be saved.
Ryan's going to tell people what they need to know, not what they want to hear. Obama fails to recognize the truth and cannot turn this country around thru sound business practices.
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>he is business expert on borrowing and bankruptcy.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#8053 Sep 2, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I guarantee that landlords like you raise the rent when taxes go up.
To say that renters don't pay taxes is bullshitt
woof
It isn't when they are HUD houses. Who pays the rent for those people? The federal government. How much will it cost them in additional rent? Not one dime.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#8054 Sep 2, 2012
free wrote:
Romney's can evaluate the condition of a company and determine whether it's salvagable or thru poor management not, going to make it. He's pragmatic enough to see the writing on the wall and set a course to save what can be saved.
Ryan's going to tell people what they need to know, not what they want to hear. Obama fails to recognize the truth and cannot turn this country around thru sound business practices.
<quoted text>
Problem with Romney's business experience is he depends on the bankrupty courts.

Mitt Romney and Bain: a Fact Checker collection

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-chec...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#8055 Sep 2, 2012
free wrote:
Romney's can evaluate the condition of a company and determine whether it's salvagable or thru poor management not, going to make it. He's pragmatic enough to see the writing on the wall and set a course to save what can be saved.
Ryan's going to tell people what they need to know, not what they want to hear. Obama fails to recognize the truth and cannot turn this country around thru sound business practices.
<quoted text>
Romney's made money by bankrupting companies

http://www.standard.net/stories/2011/12/23/ro...
Cedric

Carroll, OH

#8056 Sep 2, 2012
And those oil companies make billions a quarter. This country is doomed. Folks like xxxrayted are very intelligent yet can't see the forest for the trees. The people no longer have a voice. Big money calls the shots. Case in point. The very worst thing in the world was our supreme court allowing super pacs to operate freely. Most Americans are not politically educated and the misinformation from both sides in political adds buys the presidency. We are too far gone no matter who wins.
free

Loveland, OH

#8057 Sep 2, 2012
He uses bankruptcy court as a business tool to cull the herd. If the herd is diseased and is not going to improve, they jettison the weak and save what you can to survive. It's not Bain's fault the company's they buy and sell off are defective when acquired. Imagine the number of businesses they walked away from and let fail under their own weight....
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Problem with Romney's business experience is he depends on the bankrupty courts.
Mitt Romney and Bain: a Fact Checker collection
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-chec...

Be Rock No Momma

“All hail Queen Mayor”

Since: Sep 11

Circleville, OH

#8058 Sep 2, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Romney's made money by bankrupting companies
That's how it's done in America.. Didn't you ever watch Pretty Woman?? LOL
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#8059 Sep 2, 2012
Cedric wrote:
And those oil companies make billions a quarter. This country is doomed. Folks like xxxrayted are very intelligent yet can't see the forest for the trees. The people no longer have a voice. Big money calls the shots. Case in point. The very worst thing in the world was our supreme court allowing super pacs to operate freely. Most Americans are not politically educated and the misinformation from both sides in political adds buys the presidency. We are too far gone no matter who wins.
I thank you for your compliment. However, I want to point out that I have a sort-of side business of my own. I'm a landlord of five units.

Every year, I add up my rent collections and add up my expenses because I am able to deduct my expenses from my gross rental income. It doesn't matter what I charge for rent, nor does it matter what I have to pay out in bills. What matters is what I have left over after those calculations are made. From that point, I base the rental price of my apartments.

In other words, the more it costs me to do business here, the more I charge for rent. If the federal government disallowed me from taking the deductions I take, then I have to recoup that loss in monthly rental prices.

Industries that are granted the same deductions I take do the very same thing. They base the price of their product on operating and financial costs. So if the federal government started to slash "subsidies" then who actually pays for those? The oil-gas companies?

Yes, oil and gasoline companies do make a lot of money. But that money is made by volume and less percentage. There are actually better investments than oil and gasoline, otherwise, we would all be invested in it.

To make my point, I decided to dig up the most evil of evil oil companies: Exxon. If you click on the link below, you will find that Exxon profits range (depending on what year) is between 5.31% to 12.49%. This gives Exxon an average of (for those five years) 8.37%.

http://ycharts.com/companies/XOM/profit_margi...

Okay, not bad. but that's still billions of dollars they could afford to lose by bringing down gasoline prices. That is true, but a serious big money investor doesn't see it that way. An investor only cares about his or her percentage of growth, and it doesn't matter whether that growth is in thousands, millions or billions. If a company only profits 1 million dollars per year, but that growth is 15%, that's all a serious investor is concerned about. He doesn't care what that amount of money represents that percentage of growth.
Don

Van Wert, OH

#8060 Sep 2, 2012
anyone but strickland every-one forgets how fast he went north and forgot about rhe southern counties.

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