What's Wrong With America

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#43 Feb 14, 2013
anon a mis wrote:
<quoted text> But what is the rate ratio? Your use of rates is basically an odds count, more people, lower rate.
Absolutely not true. Bakersfield California, Tampa Florida, and St. Louis all have roughly the same population as New Orleans. But the 2010 Murder counts for these cities are:

Tampa -- 27
Bakersfield -- 33
St. Louis -- 144
New Orleans -- 175 <-- Same # people, MUCH higher rate. Much worse murder odds.
anon a mis wrote:
<quoted text>So in an odds game of murder, it would basically boil down to being at the wrong place at the wrong time, would it not?
It often does.
anon a mis wrote:
<quoted text>Now would your odds be better in Chicago or New Orleans? It would depend on the neighborhood you were in.
It would depend somewhat, a Southside housing project is undoubtedly more dangerous than Bourbon street or the French Quarter.
anon a mis wrote:
<quoted text>So your rate would be relative to bad neighborhoods, and just what is the ratio of murder victims versus population in those neighborhoods?
But when you are comparing the whole city of Chicago to the whole city of New Orleans you compensate for the almost tenfold population difference by comparing the per capita rate. You are welcome to come up with a neighborhood by neighborhood breakdown that might shed some tighter analysis on the situation.

With a per-capita murder rate 4 times that of Chicago, I think you will be surprised that there are some really, really sketchy neighborhoods in New Orleans too. I can't imagine why that is so hard to believe.

Since: Oct 09

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#44 Feb 14, 2013
SpiritoftheHawk wrote:
Want to know what is wrong with our nations politics? Simple, the voter...the Democrat who thinks everything republicans do or say is wrong, and the republican that thinks everything the Dems think or do is wrong.
George Washington warned us about hyperpartisanship during his farewell address, saying it would ruin our nation if not kept in check.
Well, thanks you hyperpartisan closed minded as$sholes for ruining my country. Maybe, just maybe the other guy might have something worth hearing...remember, that is what made our Constitution, COMPROMISE.
But you just keep going on pulling the all GOP or all Dem lever and killing what was once great....or..maybe..just maybe try thinking for yourself. Such douchebaggery.
The wrong assumption here being that persons you call "hyperpartisan closed minded as$sholes", may have actually arrived at their position by thinking for themselves and listening if "the other guy might have something worth hearing".

But those Faux News watching dittoheads would never be guilty of that.(I kid! I kid!)
American too

United States

#45 Feb 14, 2013
Anonymous Keyboard Tapper wrote:
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I think you may have some rose colored glasses on there. 100 years ago was practically the height of the eugenics movement here in the US and they were forcibly sterilizing the feeble minded and the "promiscuous" and if those millions of babies were black or native American, a great many people back then would not have had a problem tolerating it.
They took their children on picnics to watch men hang, sometimes at illegal lynchings. 75 years ago a huge proportion of those people supporting their families "some way some how, without depending on the government" lived in malnourished poverty.
I will agree with you that America is not the same place it once was. Because that has always been the case, and we should be glad of it. Progress is not a bad word no matter how much they try to make "progressive" one.
Yes the eugenics movement was a part of our history..from the socialist left! The founder of Planned parenthood lobbied for it!
Hey if you think progress at all cost is a good thing, then more power to you. It's a free country. If you think Barack Obama and Woodrow Wilson's visions of a bloated central goverment is the answer then that's your right. I do not have on the rose colored glasses nor do I drink one particular party's kool aid, but I am intelligent enough to learn from history and recognize when it's repeated.

Since: Aug 11

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#46 Feb 14, 2013
Anonymous Keyboard Tapper wrote:
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The wrong assumption here being that persons you call "hyperpartisan closed minded as$sholes", may have actually arrived at their position by thinking for themselves and listening if "the other guy might have something worth hearing".
But those Faux News watching dittoheads would never be guilty of that.(I kid! I kid!)
Yes, they may be right, but if they want the opposition to listen to their "right" opinion or evidence, then they must be willing to listen to the oppositions ideas. That's my point. Automatically shutting down the opponent before he opens his mouth is just another ad hominem argument. Like assuming a post is wrong just because it was posted by "Independent" is fallacious.

So listen, respectfully, and then respond respectfully. If we get in this habit, things can only get better as once in a while, you learn something new.

Besides, sometimes all you can do is compromise, and one cannot do so without listening to what they want.

I swear, it could be written in books, proven with science and some of you would still argue with it just because the other guy likes the idea.
Independent

Earlington, KY

#47 Feb 14, 2013
SpiritoftheHawk wrote:
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Yes, they may be right, but if they want the opposition to listen to their "right" opinion or evidence, then they must be willing to listen to the oppositions ideas. That's my point. Automatically shutting down the opponent before he opens his mouth is just another ad hominem argument. Like assuming a post is wrong just because it was posted by "Independent" is fallacious.
So listen, respectfully, and then respond respectfully. If we get in this habit, things can only get better as once in a while, you learn something new.
Besides, sometimes all you can do is compromise, and one cannot do so without listening to what they want.
I swear, it could be written in books, proven with science and some of you would still argue with it just because the other guy likes the idea.
Spirit, I'm sure you and I would disagree on plenty, but you strike me as a reasonable person who can carry on a discussion without getting angry and calling people names. I know that I have been in agreement with you on several points of issues discussed. Even Bob and Annoying say things I agree with, but they might dispute that.
Left Wing Sauce

Murray, KY

#48 Feb 14, 2013
Independent wrote:
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Spirit, I'm sure you and I would disagree on plenty, but you strike me as a reasonable person who can carry on a discussion without getting angry and calling people names. I know that I have been in agreement with you on several points of issues discussed. Even Bob and Annoying say things I agree with, but they might dispute that.
.

That's cause you're a bitch. And bitches do what their told. Because good bitch and quit whining.

Since: Oct 09

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#49 Feb 14, 2013
American too wrote:
<quoted text> Yes the eugenics movement was a part of our history..from the socialist left! The founder of Planned parenthood lobbied for it!
Quite the contrary, the eugenics movement was broadly supported and endorsed by the likes of Theodore Roosevelt, John Maynard Keynes, Woodrow Wilson, Bertrand Russell, Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, Harry Laughlin, H.G. Wells, foundations connected to the Rockefellers, Harrimans, and Carnegies, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes and many others, hardly the "socialist left".
American too wrote:
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Hey if you think progress at all cost is a good thing, then more power to you. It's a free country. If you think Barack Obama and Woodrow Wilson's visions of a bloated central goverment is the answer then that's your right.
Where exactly did I state this position? I merely stated we are not living in the end times and the past was not some bed of roses, full of moral people and absent of laziness.
American too wrote:
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I do not have on the rose colored glasses nor do I drink one particular party's kool aid, but I am intelligent enough to learn from history and recognize when it's repeated.
Enough to paint an broadly embraced, early 20th century movement as a strictly "socialist left" phenomena when it suits you. I thought we are supposed to be at the end of a long decline but apparently our current situation has happened before.

Let me guess: 1917 Soviet Russia? Or is it the 1930's rise of fascism? Mao's takeover of China in 1947 or perhaps his Cultural Revolution in the 70s? Pol Pot and his killing fields? The fall of Rome?
Independent

Owensboro, KY

#50 Feb 14, 2013
Left Wing Sauce wrote:
<quoted text>.
That's cause you're a bitch. And bitches do what their told. Because good bitch and quit whining.
Because good bitch? Take a moment and go up to the teacher's desk and have her help you formulate a thought. I'm sure she will be amused.

Since: Dec 10

Des Moines, IA

#52 Feb 14, 2013
Well I can say this it doesn't matter what side you fall on. We will all deal with the consequences regardless. You can argue all day long but no ones view is going to change, it might for a second at best but they will revert back. I say "*UCK IT" grab a cold one and wait until its at your door step. Then you have a stake in the game.
anon a mis

Murray, KY

#54 Feb 14, 2013
Anonymous Keyboard Tapper wrote:
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Absolutely not true. Bakersfield California, Tampa Florida, and St. Louis all have roughly the same population as New Orleans. But the 2010 Murder counts for these cities are:
Tampa -- 27
Bakersfield -- 33
St. Louis -- 144
New Orleans -- 175 <-- Same # people, MUCH higher rate. Much worse murder odds.
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It often does.
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It would depend somewhat, a Southside housing project is undoubtedly more dangerous than Bourbon street or the French Quarter.
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But when you are comparing the whole city of Chicago to the whole city of New Orleans you compensate for the almost tenfold population difference by comparing the per capita rate. You are welcome to come up with a neighborhood by neighborhood breakdown that might shed some tighter analysis on the situation.
With a per-capita murder rate 4 times that of Chicago, I think you will be surprised that there are some really, really sketchy neighborhoods in New Orleans too. I can't imagine why that is so hard to believe.
Once again, more spin. I thought we were talking about Chicago vs New Orleans, my bad. You are the perfect analyst. The only problem with that, is how a perfect analyst is formed, first you must be perfectly anal. You excel.
American too

United States

#55 Feb 14, 2013
Anonymous Keyboard Tapper wrote:
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Quite the contrary, the eugenics movement was broadly supported and endorsed by the likes of Theodore Roosevelt, John Maynard Keynes, Woodrow Wilson, Bertrand Russell, Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, Harry Laughlin, H.G. Wells, foundations connected to the Rockefellers, Harrimans, and Carnegies, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes and many others, hardly the "socialist left".
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Where exactly did I state this position? I merely stated we are not living in the end times and the past was not some bed of roses, full of moral people and absent of laziness.
<quoted text>
Enough to paint an broadly embraced, early 20th century movement as a strictly "socialist left" phenomena when it suits you. I thought we are supposed to be at the end of a long decline but apparently our current situation has happened before.
Let me guess: 1917 Soviet Russia? Or is it the 1930's rise of fascism? Mao's takeover of China in 1947 or perhaps his Cultural Revolution in the 70s? Pol Pot and his killing fields? The fall of Rome?
Wait a second, you're saying Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Oliver W Holmes, etc., are hardly the socialist left?? My my, you need a history lesson my friend.
Independent AKT

Murray, KY

#56 Feb 14, 2013
anon a mis wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, more spin. I thought we were talking about Chicago vs New Orleans, my bad. You are the perfect analyst. The only problem with that, is how a perfect analyst is formed, first you must be perfectly anal. You excel.


Independent and AKT are the same anal entity.

Please do not feed the trolls.
anon a mis

Murray, KY

#57 Feb 14, 2013
Independent AKT wrote:
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Independent and AKT are the same anal entity.
Please do not feed the trolls.
Who's there?///

Since: Oct 09

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#58 Feb 14, 2013
Independent AKT wrote:
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Independent and AKT are the same anal entity.
Please do not feed the trolls.
Yeah, I continuously log out and back in as myself and various others just to make it appear that there is more than one person because it is so inconceivable that someone else might agree with me. Then I use a vast array of proxy servers to make it appear I am posting from different locations on the internet, just so I can fool you, because that's how [email protected] important it is to me that you think there is more than one of me.

My god man, your powers of deduction are so impeccable that what I can't understand is why you aren't using the screen name "Sherlock".
Anon

Louisville, KY

#59 Feb 14, 2013
Anonymous Keyboard Tapper wrote:
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Yeah, I continuously log out and back in as myself and various others just to make it appear that there is more than one person because it is so inconceivable that someone else might agree with me. Then I use a vast array of proxy servers to make it appear I am posting from different locations on the internet, just so I can fool you, because that's how [email protected] important it is to me that you think there is more than one of me.
My god man, your powers of deduction are so impeccable that what I can't understand is why you aren't using the screen name "Sherlock".
Is it me or did AKT use a proxy in the Louisville metro?
Sherlock

Murray, KY

#60 Feb 14, 2013
Anonymous Keyboard Tapper wrote:
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Yeah, I continuously log out and back in as myself and various others just to make it appear that there is more than one person because it is so inconceivable that someone else might agree with me. Then I use a vast array of proxy servers to make it appear I am posting from different locations on the internet, just so I can fool you, because that's how [email protected] important it is to me that you think there is more than one of me.
My god man, your powers of deduction are so impeccable that what I can't understand is why you aren't using the screen name "Sherlock".
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Blue name stays logged in. Badgers people with black names.

My god man, you're lack of powers does not surprise me.

It's stupid people like you when called out that go all out and battle, and run their mouth like a bitch.

"Arguing on the internet is like running at the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

Since: Oct 09

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#61 Feb 14, 2013
anon a mis wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, more spin. I thought we were talking about Chicago vs New Orleans, my bad.
Remember writing this:
anon a mis wrote:
<quoted text> But what is the rate ratio? Your use of rates is basically an odds count, more people, lower rate.
Here you are asserting that a per-capita murder rate is "an odds count, more people, lower rate".

What I have done is provide "counter examples" where this is not the case. 4 cities with roughly the same population but completely different odds of getting murdered.

Alternatively, since that was lost on you, you could MULTIPLY the population and number of murders of New Orleans by 8.5 (3M/350k) and if New Orleans was the same size of Chicago in terms of population, there would be over 1600 murders a year in New Orleans.

Since: Oct 09

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#62 Feb 14, 2013
American too wrote:
<quoted text> Wait a second, you're saying Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Oliver W Holmes, etc., are hardly the socialist left?? My my, you need a history lesson my friend.
Oh, I thought you meant real socialists, not that cute way you call everybody you don't agree with a "socialist".
anon a mis

Murray, KY

#63 Feb 14, 2013
Looks like a right wing conspiracy. Might just be a "theory" though. Let's see, how can we break down that word so it fits our agenda.
anon a mis

Murray, KY

#64 Feb 14, 2013
Anonymous Keyboard Tapper wrote:
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Remember writing this:
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Here you are asserting that a per-capita murder rate is "an odds count, more people, lower rate".
What I have done is provide "counter examples" where this is not the case. 4 cities with roughly the same population but completely different odds of getting murdered.
Alternatively, since that was lost on you, you could MULTIPLY the population and number of murders of New Orleans by 8.5 (3M/350k) and if New Orleans was the same size of Chicago in terms of population, there would be over 1600 murders a year in New Orleans.
What was lost on you, was that Chicago had more murders in 2012, you never admitted it, you never will. A turbocharger can spin up to 150,000 rpm. I swear you got that beat tremendously. Like I said, you're so perfect in your anal analysis. You go girl.

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