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House republicans want to take away overtime pay.

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James Baxter

Benton, KY

#1 May 12, 2013
Why do working people keep electing people that side with their corporate backers over them time and time again?

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountabil...
Blame Game

Murray, KY

#2 May 12, 2013
James Baxter wrote:
Why do working people keep electing people that side with their corporate backers over them time and time again?
http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountabil...
Why the f ck did you elect Obama? Maybe there in lies your answer. It's called Obamacare you dumb a ss, it's just around the corner. Too late now for your head out of your a ss and say it's the repubs fault, hell their still trying to repeal it everyday. So please try harder with another spin tactic, OK?
Holly

Tucker, GA

#3 May 12, 2013
Blame Game wrote:
<quoted text>Why the f ck did you elect Obama? Maybe there in lies your answer. It's called Obamacare you dumb a ss, it's just around the corner. Too late now for your head out of your a ss and say it's the repubs fault, hell their still trying to repeal it everyday. So please try harder with another spin tactic, OK?
That's a totally different bill.
LiberTEA

Crofton, KY

#4 May 13, 2013
This is a start in the right direction but it does not go far enough. Congress should repeal all laws that interfere with the free market in labor. Wages, hours, overtime pay, etc. should be determined by one-on-one negotiation between the employer and the employee, not mandated by government.
Holly

Tucker, GA

#5 May 13, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
This is a start in the right direction but it does not go far enough. Congress should repeal all laws that interfere with the free market in labor. Wages, hours, overtime pay, etc. should be determined by one-on-one negotiation between the employer and the employee, not mandated by government.
Because working conditions where great before we had labor and safety regulations.
Anon

Jeffersonville, IN

#6 May 13, 2013
Holly wrote:
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Because working conditions where great before we had labor and safety regulations.
You mean you believe your 10 year old should be in a free school instead of working 18 hours a day in a sweet shop? You socialist.
LiberTEA

Crofton, KY

#7 May 13, 2013
Anon wrote:
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You mean you believe your 10 year old should be in a free school instead of working 18 hours a day in a sweet shop? You socialist.
I didn't mention child labor laws, but since you did, this is from Murray N. Rothbard, Power & Market: Government and the Economy:

"Child labor laws...amount to compulsory unemployment. Compulsory unemployment, of course, reduces the general supply of labor and raises wage rates restrictively as the connexity of the labor market diffuses the effects throughout the market. Not only is the child prevented from laboring, but the income of families with children is arbitrarily lowered by the government, and childless families gain at the expense of families with children. Child labor laws penalize families with children because the period of time in which children remain net monetary liabilities to their parents is thereby prolonged.... Child labor laws, by restricting the supply of labor, lower the production of the economy and hence tend to reduce the standard of living of everyone in the society... The child labor laws are also bolstered by compulsory school attendance laws. Compelling a child to remain in...school until a certain age has the same effect of prohibiting his employment and preserving adult workers from younger competition. Compulsory attendance...goes even further in compelling a child to absorb a certain service - schooling - when he or his parents would prefer otherwise, thus imposing a further loss of utility upon these children."
Holly

United States

#8 May 13, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't mention child labor laws, but since you did, this is from Murray N. Rothbard, Power & Market: Government and the Economy:

"Child labor laws...amount to compulsory unemployment. Compulsory unemployment, of course, reduces the general supply of labor and raises wage rates restrictively as the connexity of the labor market diffuses the effects throughout the market. Not only is the child prevented from laboring, but the income of families with children is arbitrarily lowered by the government, and childless families gain at the expense of families with children. Child labor laws penalize families with children because the period of time in which children remain net monetary liabilities to their parents is thereby prolonged.... Child labor laws, by restricting the supply of labor, lower the production of the economy and hence tend to reduce the standard of living of everyone in the society... The child labor laws are also bolstered by compulsory school attendance laws. Compelling a child to remain in...school until a certain age has the same effect of prohibiting his employment and preserving adult workers from younger competition. Compulsory attendance...goes even further in compelling a child to absorb a certain service - schooling - when he or his parents would prefer otherwise, thus imposing a further loss of utility upon these children."
So your cool with bad parents enslaving their children so they can profit off of them I suppose.
LiberTEA

Crofton, KY

#9 May 13, 2013
Holly wrote:
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So your cool with bad parents enslaving their children so they can profit off of them I suppose.
No. In a free society no person may own another person, but neither can a free person be compelled to feed, clothe, house, etc. another person.

Suggest you read this from Murray N. Rothbard, The Ethics of Liberty:

http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp
James Baxter

Benton, KY

#10 May 13, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
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No. In a free society no person may own another person, but neither can a free person be compelled to feed, clothe, house, etc. another person.
Suggest you read this from Murray N. Rothbard, The Ethics of Liberty:
http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp
If a parent exploits their children for profit then it's slavery.
Doug

Benton, KY

#11 May 13, 2013
Oh boy don't even get me started on the exploitation of millions of Americans using the concept of wage slavery. So many people are blind to the truth, big business is taking the fruits of your minimum wage labor that barely allows you to rent a craphole of an apartment and eat whatever the cheapest food you can find is. No health insurance, if you have a car at all every time you put the key in the ignition you pray that it starts. You pick up a second minimum wage job, and you're also trying to go to college at the same time to better your future but with all this stuff going on you are slowly dying of exhaustion. Despite all this every time you pass a homeless man on the street you give him what you have because corporate America has spent so much time and money convincing you that when you get out of college you can live the American dream but this poor homeless man has no hope. Next you take hour cuts at both jobs because the executives decided to cut how much employees are paid and since wages can't go lower they have to cut hours. Now despite workin half as many hours you're workin twice as hard to make up for the fact that fewer employees are doing the exact same amount of work. Meanwhile the business owners are busy eating caviar and tasting fine wines on their yacht laughing at the plebeians beneath their feet as they would laugh at a colony of ants, readying the magnifying glass to burn us all to ashes.
LiberTEA

Crofton, KY

#12 May 13, 2013
James Baxter wrote:
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If a parent exploits their children for profit then it's slavery.
I suggest that you read Rothbard before shooting off one-liners. Rothbard has this to say about it, "Regardless of his age, we must grant to every child the absolute right to runaway and to find new foster parents who will voluntarily adopt him, or to try to exist on his own. Parents may try to persuade the runaway child to return, but it is totally impermissible enslavement and an aggression upon his right of self-ownership for them to use force to compel him to return."

However, because in a free society the parent is under no legal obligation to feed, clothe, house, etc. the child, then the parent (or foster parent) has every right to expect the child to contribute to his or her own support in the household.
James Baxter

Benton, KY

#13 May 13, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
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I suggest that you read Rothbard before shooting off one-liners. Rothbard has this to say about it, "Regardless of his age, we must grant to every child the absolute right to runaway and to find new foster parents who will voluntarily adopt him, or to try to exist on his own. Parents may try to persuade the runaway child to return, but it is totally impermissible enslavement and an aggression upon his right of self-ownership for them to use force to compel him to return."
However, because in a free society the parent is under no legal obligation to feed, clothe, house, etc. the child, then the parent (or foster parent) has every right to expect the child to contribute to his or her own support in the household.
Just saying a child can run away completely ignores the mental control parents can have over their children. A child isn't ready to always make the best decision and is likely to be too scared to try this if the parents are abusive.

Do you have your own thoughts on the subject of are you just going to keep posting what somebody else wrote?
LiberTEA

Crofton, KY

#14 May 13, 2013
James Baxter wrote:
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Just saying a child can run away completely ignores the mental control parents can have over their children. A child isn't ready to always make the best decision and is likely to be too scared to try this if the parents are abusive.
Do you have your own thoughts on the subject of are you just going to keep posting what somebody else wrote?
No one can have "mental control" over anyone else unless the person being controlled submits to that control. From the way today's kids behave it does not appear that parents have any control over them.

I will admit that Rothbard goes to extremes with his examples but he was not only the 20th century's greatest economist but a philosopher. Philosophers tend to use extreme examples to illustrate broader basic truths.
James Baxter

Benton, KY

#15 May 13, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
<quoted text>No one can have "mental control" over anyone else unless the person being controlled submits to that control. From the way today's kids behave it does not appear that parents have any control over them.

I will admit that Rothbard goes to extremes with his examples but he was not only the 20th century's greatest economist but a philosopher. Philosophers tend to use extreme examples to illustrate broader basic truths.
You must not have had abusive parents.

Since: Feb 13

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#16 May 13, 2013
Wow, the loonies are out in the open on this thread. Let's all move back into caves. That society thing just didn't work out.
LiberTEA

Crofton, KY

#17 May 14, 2013
Doug wrote:
Oh boy don't even get me started on the exploitation of millions of Americans using the concept of wage slavery. So many people are blind to the truth, big business is taking the fruits of your minimum wage labor that barely allows you to rent a craphole of an apartment and eat whatever the cheapest food you can find is. No health insurance, if you have a car at all every time you put the key in the ignition you pray that it starts. You pick up a second minimum wage job, and you're also trying to go to college at the same time to better your future but with all this stuff going on you are slowly dying of exhaustion. Despite all this every time you pass a homeless man on the street you give him what you have because corporate America has spent so much time and money convincing you that when you get out of college you can live the American dream but this poor homeless man has no hope. Next you take hour cuts at both jobs because the executives decided to cut how much employees are paid and since wages can't go lower they have to cut hours. Now despite workin half as many hours you're workin twice as hard to make up for the fact that fewer employees are doing the exact same amount of work. Meanwhile the business owners are busy eating caviar and tasting fine wines on their yacht laughing at the plebeians beneath their feet as they would laugh at a colony of ants, readying the magnifying glass to burn us all to ashes.
Murray N. Rothbard, on mimimum wage laws in Making Economic Sense:

http://mises.org/econsense/ch36.asp
Retired Farmer

Crofton, KY

#18 May 14, 2013
2Independent wrote:
Let's all move back into caves...
...and become a society of cannibals in which the strong eat the weak.
LiberTEA

United States

#19 May 14, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>...and become a society of cannibals in which the strong eat the weak.
According to my hero Murray N. Rothbard we should trim the fat so that we have only hard working producers rather than weak leeches.

Since: Feb 13

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#20 May 14, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
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According to my hero Murray N. Rothbard we should trim the fat so that we have only hard working producers rather than weak leeches.
Thanks for that Adolph.

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