Fluvanna Schools Request More Funding...

Fluvanna Schools Request More Funding from Supervisors

There are 63 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Mar 18, 2013, titled Fluvanna Schools Request More Funding from Supervisors. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Wednesday night in Fluvanna County - for the second year in a row - the school board asked supervisors for more money.

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Quality Leadership

Charlottesville, VA

#42 Mar 21, 2013
Former teacher wrote:
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Could you possibly tell us who or what this Fluvanna Taxpayer Association is, and with what authority this lady speaks? You do realize the First Amendment gives everyone the right to say anything they wish, as long as they don't yell FIRE in a crowded room. BTW, modern technology in the classroom is no longer considered wasting money. That idea went out about 10 years ago.
In fairness, the charges against Elizabeth Franklin were later dropped. I find it interesting to compare her views of the arrest with the judge's comments:

http://www.fluvannareview.com/index.php...
Quality Leadership

Charlottesville, VA

#43 Mar 21, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
A lady from the Fluvanna Taxpayer Association told us that each of the kids in each school is issued a laptop and an iPad. Why do they need both of them? Until the schools can stop wasting money on things like this, I think their budget needs to be cut! Why do kids even need an iPad? Especially in kindergarten!
I'm sure if I said that what the Fluvanna Taxpayer Association member told you was not true, I would be shouted down as a liberal liar. Instead, I suggest anyone in Fluvanna do the following:

Please stop and ask any, repeat child at any grade level or age if they have been issued either a laptop or an iPad. Let them tell you.

Let them also tell you the conditions they take SOL tests under, and the condition and reliability of the computers they take those tests with, many of which are older than the students using them.

Two very different stories about the abundance of educational funding and technology are being told. You have to decide if the kids you talk to are telling you the truth, or the leaders of the Fluvanna Taxpayers Association are the ones to be trusted.
Insane Gossip

Charlottesville, VA

#44 Mar 22, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
A lady from the Fluvanna Taxpayer Association told us that each of the kids in each school is issued a laptop and an iPad. Why do they need both of them? Until the schools can stop wasting money on things like this, I think their budget needs to be cut! Why do kids even need an iPad? Especially in kindergarten!
You are INSANE to believe that the kids get a laptop and an Ipad. They MOST certainly do not!!! That is just plain gossip and you should not fall into their trap. I have two kids in the school system and they do not have either of these. Noe I have seen any other children have these. You are just as bad as the rumor to keep it going. Just to give you an example of what we as parents do is.....for some high school english classes the papers have to be turned in electronically and prepared on Word. Therefore, I had to purchase the software so that these papers could be emailed to the teacher. Based on this, I highly doubt you are correct. Please do your research before you post.
Reasonable

Troy, VA

#45 Mar 22, 2013
After watching this unfold in my county for several years, I have to speak up and say that there is another side to this other than the few loud voices crying foul when it comes to the schools. I say few because in comparison to the number of people living here, it is few. The other side are the people who do not work for the schools or county. How many of those people do you know that have lost their jobs. How many of them have had a raise in the last few years and will not get one this year? How many have had to pay increases in health insurance every year out of their own pocket? How many have retirement accounts and if they do did they put every dime in it themselves. How many of those people work really hard and give their all to their job. These are the people who place a hand on the shoulder of the members of the Board of Supervisors every time they say no to increasing the tax rate, cutting funds to programs, or giving additional money to the many outstretched hands in Fluvanna. Everyone should have to sacrifice in hard times.
Fluvanna mom

Charlottesville, VA

#46 Mar 22, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
A lady from the Fluvanna Taxpayer Association told us that each of the kids in each school is issued a laptop and an iPad. Why do they need both of them? Until the schools can stop wasting money on things like this, I think their budget needs to be cut! Why do kids even need an iPad? Especially in kindergarten!
They were wrong. Students do not get laptops or iPads in Fluvanna. I don't know where that rumor started, but it is completely false.
concerned

Charlottesville, VA

#47 Mar 22, 2013
Reasonable wrote:
After watching this unfold in my county for several years, I have to speak up and say that there is another side to this other than the few loud voices crying foul when it comes to the schools. I say few because in comparison to the number of people living here, it is few. The other side are the people who do not work for the schools or county. How many of those people do you know that have lost their jobs. How many of them have had a raise in the last few years and will not get one this year? How many have had to pay increases in health insurance every year out of their own pocket? How many have retirement accounts and if they do did they put every dime in it themselves. How many of those people work really hard and give their all to their job. These are the people who place a hand on the shoulder of the members of the Board of Supervisors every time they say no to increasing the tax rate, cutting funds to programs, or giving additional money to the many outstretched hands in Fluvanna. Everyone should have to sacrifice in hard times.
Have you been here long? Have you been following just how many sacrifices school staff have had to endure in the last five years. We have had around a 5% paycut, in addition to increased health insurance costs, as well as having to pay into our own retirement, as well as having our work load increase, as well as having our class sizes increase, as well as having to provide our own supplies...I could go on. In addition, 87 positions have been cut in the last three years. So the people you speak of actually sound like the same people I work with in the county schools.
WHAT a

Palmyra, VA

#48 Mar 23, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
A lady from the Fluvanna Taxpayer Association told us that each of the kids in each school is issued a laptop and an iPad. Why do they need both of them? Until the schools can stop wasting money on things like this, I think their budget needs to be cut! Why do kids even need an iPad? Especially in kindergarten!
The lady from the FTA lied to you. NO students are issued iPads, iPods, or laptops. Technology in the county is ridiculously outdated, and although the technology department does a great job with what we have, Fluvanna can't even afford to maintain or replace existing outdated computers. I don't mean the computers are a year or two old...many of the labs have desk tops that are nearly a decade old. Sadly the computers are mainly used for testing because the state requires computer testing, and I predict a testing irregularity caused by inadequate technology in Fluvanna's near future.
Mitch

Silver Spring, MD

#49 Mar 23, 2013
WHAT a wrote:
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The lady from the FTA lied to you. NO students are issued iPads, iPods, or laptops. Technology in the county is ridiculously outdated, and although the technology department does a great job with what we have, Fluvanna can't even afford to maintain or replace existing outdated computers. I don't mean the computers are a year or two old...many of the labs have desk tops that are nearly a decade old. Sadly the computers are mainly used for testing because the state requires computer testing, and I predict a testing irregularity caused by inadequate technology in Fluvanna's near future.
I was also told about the iPads and computers by the FTA. I do not know any reason they would lie.

The teachers on the other hand are trying to get more money from taxpayers. They have plenty of reasons to lie.

I trust a bipartisan watchdog group over self-interested teachers.
Tired of Taxes

Charlottesville, VA

#50 Mar 23, 2013
Mitch wrote:
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I was also told about the iPads and computers by the FTA. I do not know any reason they would lie.
The teachers on the other hand are trying to get more money from taxpayers. They have plenty of reasons to lie.
I trust a bipartisan watchdog group over self-interested teachers.
Thank you Mitch! It is good to see at least one person in Fluvanna with the common sense to realize that the Fluvanna Taxpayers Association is looking out for all taxpayers in Fluvanna, while the teachers are only looking out for their fat wallets. The schools are overstaffed and the staff is overpaid. Students do not need thousand dollar videogame playing toys to learn unless the teacher is too incompetent to actually teach using a book, chalk, paper, and pencil, none of which are expensive.
WHAT

Palmyra, VA

#51 Mar 24, 2013
Mitch wrote:
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I was also told about the iPads and computers by the FTA. I do not know any reason they would lie.
The teachers on the other hand are trying to get more money from taxpayers. They have plenty of reasons to lie.
I trust a bipartisan watchdog group over self-interested teachers.
Please visit the schools or talk to a student...you will see and hear there are NO laptops or ipads issued to students. You can continue to believe the lie that suits your view of what is going on or actually find out the truth- it is your choice! When you find out the truth and see that the FTA member is lying, will that make you question other things they say? I hope so, but my guess is you will go on believing what you want to believe despite the facts.
WHAT

Palmyra, VA

#52 Mar 24, 2013
Tired of Taxes wrote:
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Thank you Mitch! It is good to see at least one person in Fluvanna with the common sense to realize that the Fluvanna Taxpayers Association is looking out for all taxpayers in Fluvanna, while the teachers are only looking out for their fat wallets. The schools are overstaffed and the staff is overpaid. Students do not need thousand dollar videogame playing toys to learn unless the teacher is too incompetent to actually teach using a book, chalk, paper, and pencil, none of which are expensive.
Please visit the schools or talk to a student...you will see and hear there are NO laptops or ipads issued to students. You can continue to believe the lie that suits your view of what is going on or actually find out the truth- it is your choice! When you find out the truth and see that the FTA member is lying, will that make you question other things they say? I hope so, but my guess is you will go on believing what you want to believe despite the facts.
Fluvanna mom

Charlottesville, VA

#53 Mar 24, 2013
Mitch wrote:
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I was also told about the iPads and computers by the FTA. I do not know any reason they would lie.
The teachers on the other hand are trying to get more money from taxpayers. They have plenty of reasons to lie.
I trust a bipartisan watchdog group over self-interested teachers.
Even if the FTA rep wasn't "lying," they were misinformed. I proudly teach at the high school and I encourage you to ask any teacher, staff member, or student in the district to show you one of those supposedly "free iPads and computers." They can't, because they don't exist.

Repeating something that isn't true multiple times does not make it true.

The sad thing in our county is the shocking amount of ignorance. One of the first things I teach my students is to learn to confirm questionable "facts" with multiple sources. Too bad more people in Fluvanna haven't learned that lesson.
Multiple Sources

Charlottesville, VA

#54 Mar 24, 2013
Fluvanna mom wrote:
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Even if the FTA rep wasn't "lying," they were misinformed. I proudly teach at the high school and I encourage you to ask any teacher, staff member, or student in the district to show you one of those supposedly "free iPads and computers." They can't, because they don't exist.
Repeating something that isn't true multiple times does not make it true.
The sad thing in our county is the shocking amount of ignorance. One of the first things I teach my students is to learn to confirm questionable "facts" with multiple sources. Too bad more people in Fluvanna haven't learned that lesson.
Lots of posts, from this year and last year have talked about the laptops and ipads issued to students. Sounds like the facts have been confirmed from multiple sources to me!

Why is it only the teachers that deny the overspending taking place in the schools? Why is it everytime someone questions the teachers that are cying poor, they resort to namecalling, calling everyone who disagrees with them "ignorant."

It seems to me that even if you accept the fiction that anyone who is not a Fluvanna teacher is "ignorant," then even that is proof that they are doing a lousy job. If everyone who graduated from Fluvanna schools is "ignorant," perhaps it is long past time to defund the schools and replace the teachers turning out "ignorance."
Bridget

Mobile, AL

#55 Mar 24, 2013
For Teresa
Living at the lake has nothing to do with this and furthermore as a Fluvanna resident who has children in the Fluvanna schools I would gladly have my taxes raised and have it fund our children's education. For those of you who feel our teachers are being paid above their worth, I invite you to step into their shoes. They are currently teaching large classes as is, paying for most of their class supplies out of pocket. And each of them put in more hours daily than most of us. Some teachers I know work well into the night, with grading of exams, lesson plans, and informing each students parents of their progress by individual contact whether by phone or e-mail. With his huge cut in teachers our children suffer. Fewer teachers mean larger classrooms which means less one on one time and individual care given to the students. Teachers who are already forced to work in unreasonable circumstances, how does that affect our children. Damn right I will pay a few extra bucks for the future of our schools and teachers!! It's my child's future at stake!! I blame the BOS for the poor decision making and budgeting. The new high school, now the replacement of the elementary school, the pipeline, this has all been poorly planned and executed by the BOS. I suggest we look to them for proper answers and proper resolution that we can all live with, out teachers should not go jobless, our children should not be provided with a less than proper education and our community should not go bankrupt
testerosterroste rlosteron

Orange, VA

#56 Mar 26, 2013
Teresa wrote:
Raising the property tax $0.20/$100!! OMG!! Keep it up Fluvanna County...my husband & I work full-time jobs and we don't live at the lake. We cannot afford higher taxes. We know we will have our water rates raised in the future as well. Next, we'll just foreclose on the house!!
Teachers need textbooks to teach from and a board to write on! You don't even have to give copies to the students--use the textbooks. The extensive supply lists that we are given at the beginning of the school year includes boatloads of paper and other unnecessary items. Every year, WE are asked to buy $50 or more in school supplies. At the end of the year, kids bring home all that unused paper, etc.
You may need to eliminate more teaching positions, etc when we all leave the county.
UH, do you throw it away? If it's unused...just use it next year. Paper doesn't have an expiration date. I mean, seriously, if your kids are working they should be burning through some paper and note cards, etc. My kids have to buy more paper and stuff like that all the time. Of course if you go in my daughter's bathroom she's got note cards all over her mirror so she can read it when she's getting ready in the morning.
testerosterroste rlosteron

Orange, VA

#57 Mar 26, 2013
Mitch wrote:
<quoted text>
I was also told about the iPads and computers by the FTA. I do not know any reason they would lie.
The teachers on the other hand are trying to get more money from taxpayers. They have plenty of reasons to lie.
I trust a bipartisan watchdog group over self-interested teachers.
Why would you trust a group of self-interested tax payers over a group of self-interested teachers? Why is it hard to find a child in your county and ask them if they have been issued a lap top or an i-pad? The problem with what's going on in the county is that people are trying to get their way by lying. There's a reason for every dollar in the budget. Not always a good one (I doubt anyone agrees with every line in any budget--I'm a pastor and people fight over every line in our church budget) in most people's opinion, but you know you can probably e-mail some people at the school board office and they'll tell you why the decision was made to do whatever. You're not helping things, however, by making villains out of people who disagree with you. Why would you do that?

This is the problem with what happened in Fluvanna. The Supervisors misled the citizens and the School Board and then did their dirty little trick of passing a raise in taxes and waiting until everyone went home from the meeting to repeal the raise in taxes (that was last year). Their duplicity meant that the School Board and Superintendent didn't have time to sit down and present a well-thought out budget based on what they were given. This was the precipitating event of all the trouble. It's water under the bridge now, but it's why there is so little trust in the county right now.

Your Board of Supervisors "played dirty" because, I assume, they didn't want to listen to complaints from the public. I do know that they get smart with the public during public comment. In my county, I often speak on the opposite side of issues from the way the school board ends up voting. My supervisors always thank us, even when we're a little rowdy, and treat us with dignity. It goes a long way. These people ran for the office; they wanted the job. They should have known that whatever they did on issues like this they would get heat from one side or the other. They seem to be thin-skinned and spiteful.

They should have simply said from the start that they intended to cut the school budget because they felt there was a lot of waste and then voted that way and then let the public decide whether or not to reelect them. Instead we got a pathetic bunch of supposed grown-ups playing the "victim" because people were typing mean things about them and were getting passionate in public meetings.

If I remember correctly, the School Board actually made every cut the Board of Supervisors requested last year (there may have been one or two that they didn't due to state regulations, but I don't even remember that). Now, I agree that there are always things that can be cut in government. I think a lot of waste was cut out last year, but the way Fluvanna's leaders went about getting there was disturbing. If you think things should be cut and are obvious examples of waste, then speak out in school board meetings. Hey, you might say something unpopular and even get booed, but so what? Somebody might even convince you that maybe what you thought was waste is necessary. Maybe you'll convince somebody that what they thought was a necessary expenditure can be handled much more cheaply or done without. If you guys keep calling each other names...well you've become the proletariat that George Orwell predicted you'd be.
Disappointed again

Palmyra, VA

#58 Mar 26, 2013
Multiple Sources wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of posts, from this year and last year have talked about the laptops and ipads issued to students. Sounds like the facts have been confirmed from multiple sources to me!
Why is it only the teachers that deny the overspending taking place in the schools? Why is it everytime someone questions the teachers that are cying poor, they resort to namecalling, calling everyone who disagrees with them "ignorant."
It seems to me that even if you accept the fiction that anyone who is not a Fluvanna teacher is "ignorant," then even that is proof that they are doing a lousy job. If everyone who graduated from Fluvanna schools is "ignorant," perhaps it is long past time to defund the schools and replace the teachers turning out "ignorance."
Repeating a rumor, a lie, over and over and over does NOT constitute multiple sources. It is so easy to confirm whether or not students have been issued ipads and computers. I beg you to seek confirmation before you repeat this rumor one more time. Stop spreading lies.
Maybe Some Truth

Claremont, CA

#59 Mar 26, 2013
I don't think each child has been issued one individually but there are laptops in schools. I was there for my parent/teacher conference right after school but got there early due to wanting to get my child before the buses left and they had laptops they was using in their classroom. They had to shut them down and put them back on the cart outside the classroom, so there is some truth that there is laptops in schools. I saw this first hand and this was in the 3rd grade. The only part is that maybe not every child has one to themselves. According to my child they don't even use the chalkboard in their classroom anylonger since they don't write anylonger, everything is high tech. I am all for technology but what is so wrong is good old fashion teaching. Maybe we should be teaching our children not just telling our children that the world is just about technology. My child does not even do paper homework they want math work to done online. I know that we as parents spends hundreds in schools supplies each year also and half the time I hear that in some schools they have them stack in a closet incase they run out. That could be a rumor but this came from a teacher at a school who has left 2 years ago.
Disappointed again wrote:
<quoted text>
Repeating a rumor, a lie, over and over and over does NOT constitute multiple sources. It is so easy to confirm whether or not students have been issued ipads and computers. I beg you to seek confirmation before you repeat this rumor one more time. Stop spreading lies.
Trust Taxpayers

Charlottesville, VA

#60 Mar 26, 2013
testerosterrosterlosteron wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would you trust a group of self-interested tax payers over a group of self-interested teachers? Why is it hard to find a child in your county and ask them if they have been issued a lap top or an i-pad? The problem with what's going on in the county is that people are trying to get their way by lying. There's a reason for every dollar in the budget. Not always a good one (I doubt anyone agrees with every line in any budget--I'm a pastor and people fight over every line in our church budget) in most people's opinion, but you know you can probably e-mail some people at the school board office and they'll tell you why the decision was made to do whatever. You're not helping things, however, by making villains out of people who disagree with you. Why would you do that?

I trust the taxpayers. The teachers have lied year after year about pay cuts when they have gotten pay raises and whopping ones at that! I asked my kid what happened to the ipad and she said she lost it
This is the problem with what happened in Fluvanna. The Supervisors misled the citizens and the School Board and then did their dirty little trick of passing a raise in taxes and waiting until everyone went home from the meeting to repeal the raise in taxes (that was last year). Their duplicity meant that the School Board and Superintendent didn't have time to sit down and present a well-thought out budget based on what they were given. This was the precipitating event of all the trouble. It's water under the bridge now, but it's why there is so little trust in the county right now.
Your Board of Supervisors "played dirty" because, I assume, they didn't want to listen to complaints from the public. I do know that they get smart with the public during public comment. In my county, I often speak on the opposite side of issues from the way the school board ends up voting. My supervisors always thank us, even when we're a little rowdy, and treat us with dignity. It goes a long way. These people ran for the office; they wanted the job. They should have known that whatever they did on issues like this they would get heat from one side or the other. They seem to be thin-skinned and spiteful.
They should have simply said from the start that they intended to cut the school budget because they felt there was a lot of waste and then voted that way and then let the public decide whether or not to reelect them. Instead we got a pathetic bunch of supposed grown-ups playing the "victim" because people were typing mean things about them and were getting passionate in public meetings.
If I remember correctly, the School Board actually made every cut the Board of Supervisors requested last year (there may have been one or two that they didn't due to state regulations, but I don't even remember that). Now, I agree that there are always things that can be cut in government. I think a lot of waste was cut out last year, but the way Fluvanna's leaders went about getting there was disturbing. If you think things should be cut and are obvious examples of waste, then speak out in school board meetings. Hey, you might say something unpopular and even get booed, but so what? Somebody might even convince you that maybe what you thought was waste is necessary. Maybe you'll convince somebody that what they thought was a necessary expenditure can be handled much more cheaply or done without. If you guys keep calling each other names...well you've become the proletariat that George Orwell predicted you'd be.
I trust the taxpayers. The teachers have lied year after year about pay cuts when they have gotten pay raises and whopping ones at that! I asked my kid what happened to the ipad and she said she lost it. How many other kids lost them? Why hasnt anyone been asked to pay for them?
Why Spread Lies

Charlottesville, VA

#61 Mar 26, 2013
Quality Leadership wrote:
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In fairness, the charges against Elizabeth Franklin were later dropped. I find it interesting to compare her views of the arrest with the judge's comments:
http://www.fluvannareview.com/index.php...
Elizabeth Franklin was found completely innocent! The judge found there was no reason to arrest her, and the entire incident was staged to discredit the Fluvanna Taxpayer Association and the brave work they do to protect Fluvanna taxpayers.

This was just another example of the danger to liberty of government gone completely out of control! If this is how Fluvanna treats innocent citizens, every single Fluvanna government agency should be immediately defunded!

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