Veterans Train Dogs with Military Dis...

Veterans Train Dogs with Military Discipline

There are 13 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Jun 6, 2013, titled Veterans Train Dogs with Military Discipline. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Amanda Washburn's dog Milly hasn't always been the most obedient dog, but that has all changed since she was enrolled in Off-Leash K9 Training.

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beware the buzz

Earlysville, VA

#1 Jun 7, 2013
The dog in this video looks miserable. I have no problem with the use of e-collars (shock collars) when used appropriately. However it is simply a tool and is not appropriate for most pet dogs as they do not possess the nerve and stability to respond to e-collar training without fallout.

You can throw around the words 'discipline' and 'military' all you want, but these clearly are not trainers with true knowledge/experience in dog behavior. Applying their own human military experience to dogs is inappropriate.

Don't be fooled...this is not how working military and police dogs are trained!
RandomThoughts

Atlanta, GA

#2 Jun 8, 2013
I took my dog years ago to training in Stuarts Draft. The second the "trainer" dragged my dog by his neck as he stated I needed to yank harder .....

Training was over and it took every bit of DICIPLINE I had not to wrap the leash around the trainers neck and drag him across a tennis court.

I would love to put those shock collars on the TRAINERS for a bit .
Jest

Ferrum, VA

#3 Jun 8, 2013
RandomThoughts wrote:
I took my dog years ago to training in Stuarts Draft. The second the "trainer" dragged my dog by his neck as he stated I needed to yank harder .....
Training was over and it took every bit of DICIPLINE I had not to wrap the leash around the trainers neck and drag him across a tennis court.
I would love to put those shock collars on the TRAINERS for a bit .
Sounds like you're the one that needs behavior modification.
Karen Quillen

Canton, MI

#4 Jun 9, 2013
Shame on you NBC29 for promoting this type of training in our community. This is not dicipline it is abuse. Shock collars to train off leash is not training it is a way to get a "quick fix" for those who cannot be bothered to train their dogs in a way which takes time and patience. I expect with this promotion to see a lot more dogs on shock collars and a lot more behavior issues in dogs around town. Anybody who knows anything about dogs can see the dog in this video is terrified, the body language is heartbreaking.
Karen Quillen
All Things Pawssible Training Center
Where we never shock or harm dogs to teach them "discipline".
Kathy Kildea

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Jun 9, 2013
Once... just once... I'd like to see a reporter get an alternative opinion on a 'report' like this one, instead of airing what appears to be no more than an advertisement for this outfit; one that uses abusive methods to 'train' dogs. If that .... ahem... "trainer" had been beating that poor dog into compliance, you would have never aired that piece. Same difference. Congratulations, Off Leash folks -- that dog is terrified. Good job.
Nancy Carpenter

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Jun 9, 2013
I just looked at this video story. Dog looks miserable and scared. A shock collar? I feel that this is just bullying. NBC29 you should do better balanced reporting when you put on pieces like this.
sez you

Macomb, MI

#7 Jun 9, 2013
Animals are trained by a method of reward, not fear. Yes, this abuse on its basic level. They can spin it any way you want, its discusting, whats worse is the they believe what they say. The SPCA should be aware. Animals need to feel trust between themself and the owner, this does not instill trusy, only fear, thats why the look miserable.
RandomThoughts

Atlanta, GA

#8 Jun 10, 2013
Jest wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like you're the one that needs behavior modification.
You or nobody else is going to drag my animals by their neck because they are scared and lay down .

I have no intentions to modify how I feel about that .

Have a great day
Disillusioned

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Jun 10, 2013
"Basic Obedience Starter Package: One individual lesson is $350.00 (This includes the Off-Leash K9 Training E-Collar, 20 foot leash, and the price of the first lesson). Then each additional lesson is just $100.00 per session!

The Basic Obedience Package: This includes the Off-Leash K9 Training E-Collar which all of our dogs are trained on, a 20 foot leash, and includes all FOUR lessons for $600.00. So you save $50.00 by paying for everything up-front! The e-collar we use has a two-year warranty, it is completely waterproof, and it has a range of 3/4 mile (1200 yards)! This will be brought to your first lesson along with the 20-foot leash! By the end of this package, your dog will be able to be outside, off-leash, with distractions listening on command."

No thanks. I'll use positive reinforcement, not an electric shock collar. If I need to do a correction, it will be a tap on the nose with a newspaper.
Cassie Walsh

Woodbridge, VA

#10 Jun 11, 2013
I wonder if this dog was as miserable as you all imagine 2 days after this lesson, when her family was able to take her to a local park off leash for the first time in her life, without fear of her running off to get lost or hit by a car - they reported that they AND the dog had a blast.

I wonder if my own dogs are also miserable when they hear the collars turn on and run from across the house to nearly bowl me over in an effort to get their collars on so they can go outside for some freedom. Both of mine were rescued and, before this training, were terrified of people. One of these dogs was seen by 4 other Charlottesville area trainers that were unable to help her before I took her to OLK9.

I urge you all to research e-collar training before making such broad statements. Our training concept is marker training (like clicker or reward based training) that uses an e-collar as a communication device. These are also not the "shock collars" of the past used just for corrective training. It is a training tool, just like clickers and treats, and 90% of dogs respond on a level LOWER than a human can feel (and yes, we have used these collars on ourselves). We won't train anyone that won't experience the sensation of the collar on their own hand before putting it on their dog.

http://www.dogbehavioronline.com/e-collar-tra...
Thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Jun 11, 2013
Cassie Walsh wrote:
I wonder if this dog was as miserable as you all imagine 2 days after this lesson, when her family was able to take her to a local park off leash for the first time in her life, without fear of her running off to get lost or hit by a car - they reported that they AND the dog had a blast.
I wonder if my own dogs are also miserable when they hear the collars turn on and run from across the house to nearly bowl me over in an effort to get their collars on so they can go outside for some freedom. Both of mine were rescued and, before this training, were terrified of people. One of these dogs was seen by 4 other Charlottesville area trainers that were unable to help her before I took her to OLK9.
I urge you all to research e-collar training before making such broad statements. Our training concept is marker training (like clicker or reward based training) that uses an e-collar as a communication device. These are also not the "shock collars" of the past used just for corrective training. It is a training tool, just like clickers and treats, and 90% of dogs respond on a level LOWER than a human can feel (and yes, we have used these collars on ourselves). We won't train anyone that won't experience the sensation of the collar on their own hand before putting it on their dog.
http://www.dogbehavioronline.com/e-collar-tra...
Fine, we'll put a collar on your neck and see how you like it. Heal
Karen Quillen

Canton, MI

#12 Jun 12, 2013
I do not believe that any of us "imagined" what we saw, that dog was not a happy dog. The jargon that you are using is just that jargon. I have heard it a million times by those who try to justify use of these collars. I never have to justify anything that I am doing with a dog. If that dog was unable to be off leash prior to the shock she had not been trained period.
And we have leash laws in C'ville for a reason.
You can put a long line on any dog and give them as much freedom as fun as they need.
Thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Jun 12, 2013
Abuse comes in many forms, even from good intentions. If only dogs could talk.

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