Whites In Amerika b4 Columbus ?

Whites In Amerika b4 Columbus ?

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Simon Girty

Louisville, KY

#1 May 24, 2012

This old guy says he has evidence that there were people here before Columbus, a Prince Madoc, and King Arthur (I think he says King Arthur was here...).

This link, http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/waleshistory/2010/... , explains it in more detail.

"The man in question was Prince Madoc, the son of Owain Gwynedd, one of the greatest and most important rulers in the country, and while the legend cannot be corroborated there are many who believe it implicitly. Owain Gwynedd certainly existed, his reign being marred by long and hard-fought disputes with Henry II, king of England.

The story goes that in 1170 Owain died and, almost immediately, a violent and very bloody dispute arose between his 13 children regarding the succession. Madoc and his brother Rhirid were so upset and angered by events that they decided they wanted no further part in what was happening. Indeed, they wanted nothing more to do with their family or their homeland. They duly took ship from Rhos on Sea (Llandrillo) and sailed westwards to see what they could find.

What Prince Madoc found, so the legend runs, was America. He and his brother managed to cross the Atlantic and land on the shores of the New World. Madoc returned to Gwynedd for more men, then sailed off again, this time never to return. His sailors inter-married with a local Native American tribe and for years the rumour of Welsh speaking Native American tribes was widely believed."

Wikipedia says of Madoc:

There have been suggestions that the wall of Fort Mountain in Georgia owes its construction to a race of what the Cherokee termed "moon-eyed people" because they could see better at night than by day.(A competing tradition claims that the wall was built by Hernando de Soto to defend against the Creek Indians around 1540.[7]) Archaeologists believe the stones were placed there by Native Americans.[8] These "moon-eyed people," who were said to have fair skin, blonde hair and opalescent eyes, have often been associated with Prince Madoc and his Welsh band.[9] Benjamin Smith Barton proposed that these "moon-eyed people" who "could not see in the day-time" may have been an albino race.

Simon Girty

Louisville, KY

#2 May 24, 2012
Vikings were said to have landed here before too... and when did the Indians get here ? 25,000 year ago ? When did they cross the land bridge ? Does anybody out there know ?
Simon Girty

Louisville, KY

#3 May 24, 2012
"Of all the legendary stories told of pre-Columbian visitors to the American continent, the Madoc tradition takes precedence. The Atlantis tradition, twelve thousand years old; the Phoenician tradition, dating from three quarters of a century before the Christian era; the Chinese tradition of the Buddhist priest in the fifth century; the Norse tradition of the tenth century; the Irish tradition of the twelfth century; and the Madoc tradition of Welshmen in America near the close of the twelfth century, all lay claim to being accounts of the first visit of white men to the North American continent."

Simon Girty

Louisville, KY

#4 May 24, 2012
"The second, and more convincing reason, is a series of pre-Columbian forts built up the Alabama River, and the tradition handed down by the Cherokee Indians of the "White People" who built them. Testimony includes a letter dated 1810 from Governor John Seiver of Tennessee in response to an inquiry by Major Amos Stoddard. Governor Seiver refers to a time he spent with the Cherokee in 1782, and relates a conversation he had with Oconostota, who had been the ruling chief of the Cherokee Nation for nearly sixty years. Seiver had asked the Chief about the people who had left the "fortifications" in his country. The chief told him: "It is handed down by the Forefathers that the works had been made by the White people who had formerly inhabited the country..." and gave him a brief history of the "Whites." When asked if he had ever heard what nation these Whites had belonged to, Oconostota told Seiver that he "...had heard his grandfather and father say they were a people called Welsh, and that they had crossed the Great Water and landed first near the mouth of the Alabama River near Mobile...."


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