what happened to willingboro ????????????

Posted in the Lumberton Forum

First Prev
of 43
Next Last
EFoster

AOL

#1 Jul 21, 2007
Can someone please tell me what happened to willingboro?

I moved to willingboro when I was 7 (1974) it was a very very nice place to live,nice homes all well kept,nice people,clean basically a place you could be proud to say you lived in.

Now its an embarresment to say you live here.i left jersey in 85 and moved back here about 8 years ago thinking it would be a great place to settle down and raise a family,didnt do any homework,boy to i regret moving home

I have to send my kids to private schhol because the school system is in the toilet,we used to have one of the best in the country
Alot of the homes are unkept,the crime is way up,I feel like i live in philly now
what happeened to curfew,what happened to the police,you only see them when they are writing you a bogus trafic ticket,but i cant park a car on the street without it getting robbed,

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO WILLINGBORO
mikebell1965

United States

#2 Sep 6, 2007
I truly cannot say what happened because i would be politically incorrect, but yeah, your right, I grew up there from 1965 to 1985, and it was getting bad then, but now, its even worse, I still drive thru the town when back visiting remembering all the good times i had growing up there, Where did that town go to?
EFoster wrote:
Can someone please tell me what happened to willingboro?
I moved to willingboro when I was 7 (1974) it was a very very nice place to live,nice homes all well kept,nice people,clean basically a place you could be proud to say you lived in.
Now its an embarresment to say you live here.i left jersey in 85 and moved back here about 8 years ago thinking it would be a great place to settle down and raise a family,didnt do any homework,boy to i regret moving home
I have to send my kids to private schhol because the school system is in the toilet,we used to have one of the best in the country
Alot of the homes are unkept,the crime is way up,I feel like i live in philly now
what happeened to curfew,what happened to the police,you only see them when they are writing you a bogus trafic ticket,but i cant park a car on the street without it getting robbed,
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO WILLINGBORO
Former Resident

Tucson, AZ

#3 Sep 22, 2007
The town went BLACK. THERE I SAID IT !
Amanda Levie

Eugene, OR

#4 Sep 24, 2007
the town is racist. there i said it. it has nothing to do with black. white people who have been there "forever" have been voting down tax increases which directly affets the school funding. pretty soon its been fifteen years and no tax increase. well why not just vote for an increase black parents?? because voting hours are during the early afternoon when working class familiesare..get this...WORKING. and just to let you its not an equal world, women still get paid less and so do black people so instead of calling out a day working class black men and women do what is best and support their families. unfortunately OLD OLD OLD white people who have lived there "forever" don't vote for tax increases. why? whats the school got anyway? an amazing track record as well as an phenominal reputation in girls basketball, and a great music program that is always recognized and awarded in regional competitions. who cares? are black people really worth it old white people think? no. and then after 15 years of not raising taxes can a working class black family afford to vote yes for an increase so abrupt????
Old White Guy

Stratford, NJ

#5 Sep 24, 2007
All of those votes against school-tax increases were negated, for the most part, by either the township council or the state education department. Therefore, it is wrong to say that taxes have not increased until recently. It is demonstrably wrong to claim that soon it will be 15 years without a school tax increase.

The abrubt significant increase took place last year because the council assumed, in setting the tax rate, that its cuts would be approved by the state. Most of them weren't. Consequently, tax bills had to be adjusted to reflect reality.

For school-related balloting, the polls are open well into the evening to accommodate people who work during the day. Furthermore, absentee ballots are available for the asking. One does not have to be "absent" to get one. No reason other than convenience is required.

To claim that elderly white people are responsible for failures in the school system is just as bigoted as the claim that black people are responsible for whatever failures people think Willingboro might have.
someone

Charleston, SC

#6 Sep 24, 2007
black people are resposible for whatever failures are in the system?????, willingboro was dominantly white and as they destroyed the school system and community, they moved out. now that it is dominantly black, you are quick to say black people are responsible for their failures. no not really because black people were not the ones that started of dominant in williingboro...think
Amanda Levie

Eugene, OR

#7 Sep 25, 2007
having attended willingboro high school and having many a feud with the BCT about tax increase, there had no been an increase in a very long time. it was voted down for 15 uears in a row. now about the abrupt increase, I know nothing of since i attend college out of state. but it has made headlines many a time that the people of willingboro, a predominantly black neghborhood, are too stupid to vote for a tax increase in this many years.
i am not saying all the old white people are to blame, i'm saying you can't point out one group of people and give them all the credit for destroying a town. there are other groups believe it or not that contribute to something like this. and for something like the previous comment to be so short and one sided i had to make a counterargument just as boased to hopefully even things out.
Old White Guy

Medford, NJ

#8 Sep 26, 2007
Don't you get it? Votes against the proposed school budget have no real meaning. If the voters reject the proposed school budget, state law mandates that the township council review that budget and make recommendations to the state education department. Those recommendations, which in most cases included budget cuts, would have still resulted in a tax increase, though not as large as the one proposed by the school board. However, the state repeatedly rejected many of the recommended cuts. Consequently, the school tax increased in almost all of the years in which the voters rejected the proposed budget. In the current year, the school board proposed a budget that did not include a tax increase. It was voted down as well. One can assume, then, that the issue is not so much the tax as it is a generalized dissatisfaction with school performance and a belief, legitimate or not, that mismanagement exists.

Those people who claim that Willingboro has been "destroyed" are not worthy of our time. They don't understand the sociological factors at play in the township. One is that the community was created as a bedroom community during a time when housing was scarce and out of reach for people of moderate income. Many early home buyers moved on as their circumstances improved or their fledglings abandoned the nest.
Rapacious real estate agents exploited fears when the ban against selling to blacks went by the wayside. Their goal was to churn the housing in order to line their pockets. More recently, some of these same agents and equally rapacious mortgage companies conspired to convince people that they could afford to own a home in the township. While some of those new residents might have been able to afford the mortgage payments, due to historically low interest rates, they did not have the means to maintain and upgrade an aging housing stock. Few did anything to remediate the lead contamination problems, for instance. Sometimes there were foreclosures. Sometimes the struggling homeowners just sold and moved elsewhere. The consequence was that a greater portion of the community became transitional. When people are in a transitional state of mind, their commitment to community is marginal. The responsible analysis goes on, but there isn't room here. Suffice it to say that the simple-minded blame game is just that, simple-minded.
long gone

Partlow, VA

#9 Sep 26, 2007
And Sometimes You Just Have To Call A Spade....A Spade
~~~~~~~~~~

Look down this site, and what do you see ? Headlines like Murder, Drugs, Gang Shootings...that what you see. These are all words synonymous with Willingboro. Just last week, a masked figure walked up to Garfield East School, took aim, and emptied his "9" into the building. "old" white guy hands you a pair of rose colored glasses and tell you to look through them, while telling you...see...everything isnt as it really seems. The so called Willingboro School Board has been locked in gridlock for years before I ever thought of moving away. White members have complained long and loud about being "forced out" ...as the black populace strengthend their death grip not only on the town, but all the governing bodies that are its life blood. White flight ? Unscrupulous Realtors ?....Simple Minded People ?.....THESE are the reasons for Willingboros woes today ? Dont kid yourself, "old" white guy dosent tell us how long it is he has called Willingboro his home, nor will he tell us wexactly which park it is he lives in. But I can tell you this....I lived in that town long before he ever thought about moving there, and you can bet your bottom dollar, that he dosent live in Penny Packer, Hawthorne, Buckingham, or Somerset. And I,ll tell you something else...he has the good sense not to take a late night summer stroll through ANY of those parks, because he covets his own safety.
Transistional people who have marginal commitment to upkeep of their homes? Go take a cruise through North Philly (dont forget your kelvar vest)....Im thinking those people have....marginal commitment to the upkeep of their "homes" also.
Old White Guy

Stratford, NJ

#10 Sep 26, 2007
The ultimate racist said he was done with posting here. I didn't believe him and, sure enough, he's back spewing his vitriol. And he doesn't ever seem to get the facts straight. No bullets entered Garfield East School. Three shots were fired--not a "9" clip. Kevlar to him is kelvar. Was Margaret Reynolds forced off the school board? She was on there long enough to nickel and dime the system into decay. Jim Ayrer may well be on the council until he's buried. The MUA board sports white faces.

If recent news is any indication, the current spate of murders are taking place in neighboring towns. Gangs? Drugs? They've been part of American culture for a very long time. There's no reason for Willingboro to be immune.

While how long I've lived in town has no relevance, I can say that I remember when Jack McHugh hired Harry McFarland. I lived on Sussex Drive for many years but moved to a smaller house in Millbrook when the last of the kids went off to college (see, I told you "wexactly" which park I live in).. And guys my age don't take late night strolls anywhere.

And just for the fun of it, "so called" requires a hyphen, it's strengthened not "strengthend," "populace" demands a singular pronoun, "doesnt" and "Im" need apostrophes and an apostrophe is not a comma as in your "I,ll."

If your property was as messy as your grammar, you must have been cited by Theresa Mimms every time she found her way to your street.

By the way, you haven't told us where you live yet. Do your current neighbors share your bigoted attitudes?

long gone

Partlow, VA

#11 Sep 27, 2007
Your grammar skills impress us all.
Your grasp on the real estate market amuses us all.
The fact that you are not only trying to defend a town that lost its soul long ago....but you are also stuck there...as property values continue to spiral....downward...amuses me.
And for the record I never said I was done with this site....I merely have something you are sorely lacking.....a life....see you in a few months....old man
long gone

Partlow, VA

#12 Sep 27, 2007
one more thing to stick in your craw while Im gone.
Im now a...published author.
Aint life a paradox ?:)
Old White Guy

Riverton, NJ

#13 Sep 27, 2007
Published in what, the KKK magazine?

Quote from long gone's August 14, 2007, post in the "gang murder" thread:

"...Im done arguing with you moron..."
JOdion

Annandale, NJ

#14 Sep 28, 2007
Amanda Levie wrote:
the town is racist. there i said it. it has nothing to do with black. white people who have been there "forever" have been voting down tax increases which directly affets the school funding. pretty soon its been fifteen years and no tax increase. well why not just vote for an increase black parents?? because voting hours are during the early afternoon when working class familiesare..get this...WORKING. and just to let you its not an equal world, women still get paid less and so do black people so instead of calling out a day working class black men and women do what is best and support their families. unfortunately OLD OLD OLD white people who have lived there "forever" don't vote for tax increases. why? whats the school got anyway? an amazing track record as well as an phenominal reputation in girls basketball, and a great music program that is always recognized and awarded in regional competitions. who cares? are black people really worth it old white people think? no. and then after 15 years of not raising taxes can a working class black family afford to vote yes for an increase so abrupt????
I'm not buying this. The town is 85 percent black now. If a fraction of those people took a half day off and went out and voted for a tax increase their vote would overpower the old white vote.
Amanda Levie

Eugene, OR

#15 Oct 2, 2007
yes the town is black. find out how many of them work nine to five. go ahead. also find out who doesn't and see what color those people are.

honestly, i am sick sick sick of the denial. Willingboro isn't racist? The older white people aren't angered with the black community?? There used to be riots about racial tension in willingboro. and thats not some wikipedia crap that a kid like me picked up. My step father has lived here his whole life. my step father is a black man. they weren't happy to see him walk to school either in his day.
i find it funny that this whole conversation sprung from racist comment and people are still defending the town to the ground. no its not racist. the point of my anger originated from some lady now living in arizona that couldn't get over it and still believes the fact that all that had to happen for the town to collaps was turn "black".
we can do the real estate mumbo jumbo but honestly everything that the town was built on was race issue. i interviewed residents of willingboro who moved here when it was up and coming. they explained that when they spoke to a real estate agent, that he picked out willingboro right away. whats more he specified parks right away. he recommended that they live in pennypacker, the blackest park at the time. probably the only black park at the time. They looked into fairmount, millbrook but they were being pushed in the direction of pennypacker so hard that they finally settled there. we all know that there's only about 5 styles of houses across willingboro, but why pennypacker? It was even marketed as the black park to this couple. where they'd be "comfortable" as if any place in willingboro was comfortable with pennypacker becoming mostly black. come ON....
JOdion

Annandale, NJ

#16 Oct 2, 2007
Amanda Levie wrote:
yes the town is black. find out how many of them work nine to five. go ahead. also find out who doesn't and see what color those people are.
honestly, i am sick sick sick of the denial. Willingboro isn't racist? The older white people aren't angered with the black community?? There used to be riots about racial tension in willingboro. and thats not some wikipedia crap that a kid like me picked up. My step father has lived here his whole life. my step father is a black man. they weren't happy to see him walk to school either in his day.
i find it funny that this whole conversation sprung from racist comment and people are still defending the town to the ground. no its not racist. the point of my anger originated from some lady now living in arizona that couldn't get over it and still believes the fact that all that had to happen for the town to collaps was turn "black".
we can do the real estate mumbo jumbo but honestly everything that the town was built on was race issue. i interviewed residents of willingboro who moved here when it was up and coming. they explained that when they spoke to a real estate agent, that he picked out willingboro right away. whats more he specified parks right away. he recommended that they live in pennypacker, the blackest park at the time. probably the only black park at the time. They looked into fairmount, millbrook but they were being pushed in the direction of pennypacker so hard that they finally settled there. we all know that there's only about 5 styles of houses across willingboro, but why pennypacker? It was even marketed as the black park to this couple. where they'd be "comfortable" as if any place in willingboro was comfortable with pennypacker becoming mostly black. come ON....
I am white, and I grew up in Willingboro as a child and teenager in the 80's and 90's, and guess which park I lived in? Pennypacker!! I went to the schools, the elementary and the high school. You're right it was a racist town, I experienced it first hand. When I lived there a lot of the blacks still resented white people, and I had to deal with this. Trust me, I completely learned what it is like to be told you aren't as good, or important as someone else because of your race. It was so frustrating in fact that my parents took me out of the school system for a while. So, I definitely was not denying the racial issue. What I was saying is that I know there are more than enough blacks living there, and if they aren't getting politically active and moving the town toward better decision making themselves, then who's going to do it?? People with "different interests??" Exactly!!!
Military Brat

Atlantic City, NJ

#17 Oct 5, 2007
I lived in Pennypacker late 60's as a small child I remember sleeping out, riding bike in the dark, and playing games of hide and seek. We went to visit in the late 70's or early 80's what a dump. Wheather your black, white, tan or green it all comes down to a values. If you take care of your homes and each other in the neighborhood with respect and genuine caring you don't have gangs and drugs on your corners.Call the police for help get involved in your community don't take NO for an answer. Don't let the small minority of thugs run you area. Give yourself some pride, as for voting, tell it to someone else. There are many countries where your told where, when, and who to vote for get up off your ass and vote during lunch. Take a 1/2 day off of work but don't blame it on the Senoirs white or black becasue your to ignorant to take the time to get out and vote.
michael x bell

United States

#18 Oct 9, 2007
does anyone remember a murder in willingboro that occured in 1974? I remember it was a high school girl, either in millbrook park, or somerset park, she was stabbed and stuffed in the closet while on a sleepover with her friend across the street
Taisha Yvaiah Reynolds

Parsippany, NJ

#19 Oct 10, 2007
People just gotta get on their grind and do the damn thing and not blame folks for their problems... Willingoro needs to step up they game and start makin a change and not wait for the government.
John

Piscataway, NJ

#20 Nov 26, 2007
Why don't you read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Bell-Curve-Intelligence...

It, in large measure, explains why Willingboro is in the state it is in...
Amanda Levie wrote:
yes the town is black. find out how many of them work nine to five. go ahead. also find out who doesn't and see what color those people are.
honestly, i am sick sick sick of the denial. Willingboro isn't racist? The older white people aren't angered with the black community?? There used to be riots about racial tension in willingboro. and thats not some wikipedia crap that a kid like me picked up. My step father has lived here his whole life. my step father is a black man. they weren't happy to see him walk to school either in his day.
i find it funny that this whole conversation sprung from racist comment and people are still defending the town to the ground. no its not racist. the point of my anger originated from some lady now living in arizona that couldn't get over it and still believes the fact that all that had to happen for the town to collaps was turn "black".
we can do the real estate mumbo jumbo but honestly everything that the town was built on was race issue. i interviewed residents of willingboro who moved here when it was up and coming. they explained that when they spoke to a real estate agent, that he picked out willingboro right away. whats more he specified parks right away. he recommended that they live in pennypacker, the blackest park at the time. probably the only black park at the time. They looked into fairmount, millbrook but they were being pushed in the direction of pennypacker so hard that they finally settled there. we all know that there's only about 5 styles of houses across willingboro, but why pennypacker? It was even marketed as the black park to this couple. where they'd be "comfortable" as if any place in willingboro was comfortable with pennypacker becoming mostly black. come ON....

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 43
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Lumberton Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
2 jailed in alleged Mount Laurel rape (Dec '11) 20 hr Not surprised 29
Police seek help in search for missing Mount La... Wed common sense 7
Borgota casino called racist Jan 28 Jerseyboy For Life 3
Street robberies in Willingboro Jan 28 bill 1
Was this cop justified in shooting this man? Jan 28 bill 3
Al Sharpton has visited Obama's Whitehouse how ... Jan 25 Jerseyboy For Life 10
Are you a sociopath? Jan 25 Crack Corn 1

Lumberton News Video

Lumberton Dating
Find my Match
More from around the web

Lumberton People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]

NFL Latest News

Updated 10:44 am PST