GPM

Carmel, ME

#1 Aug 12, 2011
I came across an article written by Dave Munday back in December of 2009 about C-Scope. In the artcile Dave exposed the truth about the developer of C-Scope, TEA's Regional Education Centers, and how much this creative curriculum is considered "dribble" by at least one teacher.

One of the basic theories of C-Scope is to have the "students get in groups" and research the class subject, then "teach each other" what each has researched.(Now do you know why the kids can't pass TAKs, or handle their first year of college)? The theory being the kids can self-teach each other, and should there be a break in their schooling, they will be able to pick right up where the left off. Absolute hogwash!

Another teacher asked, "Please don't try to downplay the horrible nature of C-Scope" in Dave's article. Can you imagine a teacher calling a creative curriculum "horrible"? I can- after talking to kids who have had to cope with this deviation from the good old, and proven methods of teaching, like lectures from the teacher.
That's right, teachers have been told not to lecture, not to deviate from an all but worthless experiment that has proven to be mostly usless. TAKs test scores are proof it doesn't work

Another comment was, "this program is AWFUL!!!. We implemented it and everyone hated it". So did the kids I talked to. If the kids didn't like it, and the teachers didn't like, then why did adminstrators continue to push down peoplea' throats? Well, I know this is not going to be a big suprise-MONEY! Big money in a lot of pockets.
Seriously

San Antonio, TX

#2 Aug 13, 2011
Have you ever looked at this curriculum? Are you an EXPERT in curriculum and instruction? Research after research shows that lecture is the WORST way to teach students. Especially students for those who are not "sit and listen" learners.
Today's generation of kids is sooo different from when you were in school, I am guessing the little red school house days?
These kids can multi-task so well, that to the "older" gerenration it seems as though they are not paying attention, but they got the lesson the first ten minutes into it and then tuned you out b/c it is so boring! These kids live on technology and learn at a rapid pace.
The reason teachers do not like this curriculum is because the actually have to THINK about delivering instruction in a different way, AND it is a LOT of work...and let's face it, some (NOT ALL) teachers are lazy and just like to do the "way they have always done it" that way they can come, put in their 8 hours and leave.
Just a question, if it is such terrible "dribble" then why does San Marcos CISD reach Exemplarary every year? They use C-scope.
Have you driven to a campus in SMCISD, say around 5:00? The parking lot is full of teacher's cars, still working. Then drive to LISD and see a few cars still in the parking lot. There my friend is the difference, dedication by 100% of staff...not just 60%.
sighhhhhhhh same ole same

Austin, TX

#3 Sep 12, 2011
Seriously wrote:
Have you ever looked at this curriculum? Are you an EXPERT in curriculum and instruction? Research after research shows that lecture is the WORST way to teach students. Especially students for those who are not "sit and listen" learners.
Today's generation of kids is sooo different from when you were in school, I am guessing the little red school house days?
These kids can multi-task so well, that to the "older" gerenration it seems as though they are not paying attention, but they got the lesson the first ten minutes into it and then tuned you out b/c it is so boring! These kids live on technology and learn at a rapid pace.
The reason teachers do not like this curriculum is because the actually have to THINK about delivering instruction in a different way, AND it is a LOT of work...and let's face it, some (NOT ALL) teachers are lazy and just like to do the "way they have always done it" that way they can come, put in their 8 hours and leave.
Just a question, if it is such terrible "dribble" then why does San Marcos CISD reach Exemplarary every year? They use C-scope.
Have you driven to a campus in SMCISD, say around 5:00? The parking lot is full of teacher's cars, still working. Then drive to LISD and see a few cars still in the parking lot. There my friend is the difference, dedication by 100% of staff...not just 60%.
Of course, SMCISD might not have the AC and heat CUT OFF at 4 PM, EITHER! THEY might not have anyone breathing down their collective throats constantly........AND they just might NOT have gotten TO WORK at 6 AM like about half of Luling's staff!!!!!!!!!! Where are YOU at 6 AM???? If you don't want to soak up the heat or freeze, you get their EARLY.
sighhhhhhhh same ole same

Austin, TX

#4 Sep 12, 2011
and BTW Seriously...as a matter of fact, I AM an expert on curriculum. I'd not use CSCOPE on my dog. oooooooooooops I don't have a dog...
GPM

Carmel, ME

#5 Sep 12, 2011
Seriously wrote:
Have you ever looked at this curriculum? Are you an EXPERT in curriculum and instruction? Research after research shows that lecture is the WORST way to teach students. Especially students for those who are not "sit and listen" learners.
Today's generation of kids is sooo different from when you were in school, I am guessing the little red school house days?
These kids can multi-task so well, that to the "older" gerenration it seems as though they are not paying attention, but they got the lesson the first ten minutes into it and then tuned you out b/c it is so boring! These kids live on technology and learn at a rapid pace.
The reason teachers do not like this curriculum is because the actually have to THINK about delivering instruction in a different way, AND it is a LOT of work...and let's face it, some (NOT ALL) teachers are lazy and just like to do the "way they have always done it" that way they can come, put in their 8 hours and leave.
Just a question, if it is such terrible "dribble" then why does San Marcos CISD reach Exemplarary every year? They use C-scope.
Have you driven to a campus in SMCISD, say around 5:00? The parking lot is full of teacher's cars, still working. Then drive to LISD and see a few cars still in the parking lot. There my friend is the difference, dedication by 100% of staff...not just 60%.
Obviously you are a big expert on C-Scope and education. So, why don't you share with us why universities and colleges are still having lectures out the kazoo. Is your expertise at fault for the 75% of college students that are having all kinds of problems with their freshman year because teaching models like C-Scope aren't working? Now this 75% is not my figure-they are the responses from the vast majority of colleges and universities when asked the question about why incoming freshmen are crashing their freshman year. Where are your statistics to prove C-Scope works? And please don't use TAKS scores and Top Ten Percent of graduating class to prop up your position? I just wonder why such a large number of high school teachers in Texas despise C-Scope? I'm sure you have statistics to rebutt my statement.
GPM

Carmel, ME

#6 Sep 15, 2011
Seriously, you need to read the front page of the Austin American-Statesman, Thursday September 15, 2011. Specifically the Education article SAT scores on reading hi lowest point ever. Texas test results fall slightly more than national trend.

"SAT reading scores for the high school class of 2011 were the lowest on record, and combined reading and math scores fell to their lowest point since 1995..Justin Pope, Austin American-Statesman.

It is not a coincidence the low SAT college entrance scores mirror exactly the TAKS scores that missed the mark for the Luling ISD this past testing time frame and was also the missed marks for most of the other Texas ISDs that were graded unacceptable.

Not only did C-Scope fail in preparing students to pass TAKS and senior exit exams, but it darn sure didn't do anything the help college bound seniors pass SATs.

With all your infinate knowledge, please explain what caused the SAT scores to tank in the areas of reading and math. Or maybe you don't believe students should be able to read-just use truncated text messaging to earn a living.
Tiffany

Boyd, TX

#8 Oct 17, 2011
Our school distrit adopted C-scope a while back and at first we suffered the same questions that you are discussing. Our teachers truly detested C-scope in the beginning. However, after using it for several years now, we understand that beyond the fact that C-scope requires A LOT of planning and organization the first year, there is a tremendous amount of benefit. The students are learning how to apply what they learn. It is not about sit and get. Just imagine your football players sitting in a classroom for 45 minutes a day listening to their coach lecture, then they have to go apply what they learned on the football field on Friday night. It is not possible. Imagine you band members sitting in class listening to the instructor lecture them for 45 minutes a day, then they go out on the field Friday night and play their hearts out! It is just not possible. It is the same with math, reading, science and social studies. They need to use what they are learning.
I am guessing that C-scope is still new to Luling. I hope that you all wait out the adjustment period and stick with it. If all teachers use it, there will be no gaps in your curriculum. The students will learn all of the TEKS they are supposed to at each grade level and there will not be a back-up of learning when they hit high school. Good luck!
Adam

Belton, TX

#9 Oct 17, 2011
Seriously wrote:
Have you ever looked at this curriculum? Are you an EXPERT in curriculum and instruction? Research after research shows that lecture is the WORST way to teach students. Especially students for those who are not "sit and listen" learners.
Today's generation of kids is sooo different from when you were in school, I am guessing the little red school house days?
These kids can multi-task so well, that to the "older" gerenration it seems as though they are not paying attention, but they got the lesson the first ten minutes into it and then tuned you out b/c it is so boring! These kids live on technology and learn at a rapid pace.
The reason teachers do not like this curriculum is because the actually have to THINK about delivering instruction in a different way, AND it is a LOT of work...and let's face it, some (NOT ALL) teachers are lazy and just like to do the "way they have always done it" that way they can come, put in their 8 hours and leave.
Just a question, if it is such terrible "dribble" then why does San Marcos CISD reach Exemplarary every year? They use C-scope.
Have you driven to a campus in SMCISD, say around 5:00? The parking lot is full of teacher's cars, still working. Then drive to LISD and see a few cars still in the parking lot. There my friend is the difference, dedication by 100% of staff...not just 60%.
Wow, I can't beleive there are not any cars at the school at 5 pm. of course people do have children that are involved in activities too.
As for myself, I am up till midnight working on my laptop from home. I work Saturdays and Sundays. But I guess no one can see that because my car is not parked at the school.

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