Employee, Pastor Accused Of Swindling...

Employee, Pastor Accused Of Swindling Church Funds

There are 74 comments on the WLTX Columbia story from Feb 4, 2008, titled Employee, Pastor Accused Of Swindling Church Funds. In it, WLTX Columbia reports that:

The pastor of St. John's United Methodist Church and another employee have been charged with swindling the church.

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“Soy Bueno...Consigo el dinero!”

Since: Dec 07

ALBANY, NY 2==>the METRO of SC

#85 Feb 5, 2008
old salt dog wrote:
<quoted text> you sound like a compationate person. i admire that very much. i dont know this person, but i can say this, i have had hard times too. but i work and i live with in my means. i dont owe anyone anything, have no credit cards. and am very happy with a modest life style. 150,000 dollars is more than just a streak of hard times.
I know that's right. Hard times is needing a couple 100 here, a couple 100 there to have a lil extra to get the things you really need & save the rest (need more clothes or food, sacraficing certain bills to pay for another that's more important)....THAT'S HARD TIMES! Swindling the church out of 120,000 is "I HIT THE JACKPOT ON A DAY AT THE CASINO"! IF YOUR ON HARD TIMES YOU DONT NEED THAT MUCH....she got too comfortable stealing.
jeff

Columbia, SC

#86 Feb 5, 2008
Church are non-profit organizations, and to keep their non-profit status they are required to keep required records. I am sure that each denomination and churches within those demininations have a variety of ways of handling the church's money; however, I agree that from offering plate to the bank, there should be two sets of eyes, and checks, credits cards, etc. should be monitored by those elected to represent the congregation such as deacons or council members.

The United Methodist Church is a large organization and I am sure there are guidelines in places for churches to follow.

That being said, obviously criminals (and that is what these folks are) can find ways to disquise the activity in hopes of never being caught. But usually - sooner or later - someone slips up or it just comes to light. The fact that you confess after you are caught just means if you had not gotten caught you would still be stealing.

“Do we still stand united?”

Since: Jun 07

Small Town in South Carolina

#87 Feb 5, 2008
TB Camden SC wrote:
Let it be known that I do not condone this act, but knowing the O'Quinn family for many years they in no way deserve to be condemned as many of you are doing. We all need to look in the mirror before passing judgement on others. We will be praying for the family and the church involved in this incident.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4: 31,32
Here's an idea. Give them your checkbook and put them in charge of your finances. And, since you trust them, don't audit their bookkeeping.

On the cross, Jesus saved the soul of one of the criminals that was being crucified there with Him. I believe Jesus could have saved the man's "mortal" life, but He did not.
Gotta Heart

Winnsboro, SC

#88 Feb 5, 2008
gcl wrote:
For all it's worth, let me say that O'Quinn is not scum. She comes from a very normal, middle-class, run of the mill family. Knowing her personally I was in complete shock when I heard about this. She fell on hard times and made some really bad decisions. We ALL make bad decisions, some worse than others. She did come forward and admitted everything and is ready to accept the consequences.
I know that some of you will still want to lock her up and throw away the key but I pray that she will have the minimum punishment and that she can someday forgive herself.
Why is it that when people do wrong, especially church folks, everybody want to be so holy about what punishment should be given. She may not be a scum but she should have asked the church for help instead of stealing. It is great that she has a conscience and feels bad about what she has done. Maybe they can let her pay the money back.
The Truth

Winnsboro, SC

#89 Feb 5, 2008
jeff wrote:
Church are non-profit organizations, and to keep their non-profit status they are required to keep required records. I am sure that each denomination and churches within those demininations have a variety of ways of handling the church's money; however, I agree that from offering plate to the bank, there should be two sets of eyes, and checks, credits cards, etc. should be monitored by those elected to represent the congregation such as deacons or council members.
The United Methodist Church is a large organization and I am sure there are guidelines in places for churches to follow.
That being said, obviously criminals (and that is what these folks are) can find ways to disquise the activity in hopes of never being caught. But usually - sooner or later - someone slips up or it just comes to light. The fact that you confess after you are caught just means if you had not gotten caught you would still be stealing.
I agree.

Since: Jan 08

Batesburg, SC

#90 Feb 5, 2008
Without a stone wrote:
Let me start off by saying that yes what they did was wrong. There is no excuse for it The thing I would like to address is not the situation itself, but to the people who say stuff like letting them rot in prison and material of that nature. If people who are saying that stuff need to pick up that thing with pages and binding called the Bible. HELLO that is what Jesus died on the cross for. He hung up on the cross to die for our sins. The Bible talks about how a sin is a sin in God's eyes. Whether it is telling a lie, cursing, murder, or theft. Some people need to get off their high and mighty horses and realize that we are all of God's children and that we all make mistakes. Those who are free of sin, let them cast the first stone.
Hint: Don't pick up that stone.
There is a big difference between picking up a stone and judging the person by their fruits. Actions speak louder than words and the actions of these 2 say alot. Does this mean that the are damned for all time? No. But you will be held accountable for your actions in this life and the life to come.

These 2 do have to answer for their actions and they should pay for their action.

There can be repentance but the ball is solely in their court. Excuses don't cut it no matter how you slice and dice it.

Remember Jesus also said that not everyone that calls on his name is one of His. Judge their actions and if they are real it will show, how ever if they are false put them out of the fellowship till such time as they come to real repentance.

It is right to know the difference and act accordingly. A real Christian needs to learn and live this.
underhay

Chapin, SC

#92 Feb 5, 2008
stone 'em!
Fired Up United Methodist

United States

#93 Feb 5, 2008
I am so proud of the members of this congregation that took a stand against the injustice of the Minister and church employee. This congregation had the guts to do what my congregation did not have. This is not the only UMC in SC that has a problem with misappropriation of funds. There has become an increasing pattern of Ministers,District Superindents and the Bishop turning their heads to this problem. Often members that speak up and go through the channels outlined in "The Book of Disciplines" are labeled as "Preacher Fighters" and dismissed. It is a shame how people fail to understand the importance of concrecrated offerings and tithes given by members who often sacrifice all they have so that the work of God can go forth.

“Do we still stand united?”

Since: Jun 07

Small Town in South Carolina

#94 Feb 7, 2008
Without a stone wrote:
Let me start off by saying that yes what they did was wrong. There is no excuse for it The thing I would like to address is not the situation itself, but to the people who say stuff like letting them rot in prison and material of that nature. If people who are saying that stuff need to pick up that thing with pages and binding called the Bible. HELLO that is what Jesus died on the cross for. He hung up on the cross to die for our sins. The Bible talks about how a sin is a sin in God's eyes. Whether it is telling a lie, cursing, murder, or theft. Some people need to get off their high and mighty horses and realize that we are all of God's children and that we all make mistakes. Those who are free of sin, let them cast the first stone.
Hint: Don't pick up that stone.
Are you saying these people should not be punished? Since you mentioned the Bible, remember when Jesus was on the cross, there were two other men being crucified also. Jesus did forgive one of them of their sins, but Jesus did not save the man's mortal life. Jesus said that "today you will be with me in paradise".
BadBoy

Great Falls, SC

#95 Feb 8, 2008
MSB wrote:
<quoted text>Sir I feel your pain. But as I said you SHOULD READ SCRIPTURE. This will tell you what you are to do. And this does not mean to seek out any protestant church. Do your research. The answer is as close as the nose on your face. The true church of Christ is simply stated that there is no paid ministry.If your minister is doing the job on the side, perhaps he can afford to do so without pay. I know I can speak for my pastors and dozens of others I have met (and I will include the thousands of others I have not met) and say that they spend all of every day at pastoral tasks. There is no time to take a different sort of job because they are visiting people in the hospital and conducting pastoral counseling and leading workshops and writing sermons and representing the church at various forums and attending church meetings and overseeing the purpose and functions of the church. Festus, I'm sure you try your best to be a good man but just because you've had a bad experience with a church or minister, please don't lump all of them together. 99% of the people who go into the ministry don't do it to get rich. They do it to serve the Lord. They've attended college and seminary. Their families understand that ministers must leave the dinner table and be gone on holidays so they can comfort families and help plan funerals. And whoever said they don't know where the money goes that people offer, please PLEASE take yourself to the office of a mainline protestant church (which is my experience and the only one I can speak about) and ASK them for an accounting of their budget. You'll find literally dozens and dozens of benevolences and tithes and pledges to local, national and international organizations that give help and aid to people who need it. Who do you think keeps the Oliver Gospel Mission open? Or His House? Or the Cooperative Ministry? Or Harvest Hope Food Bank? They don't run on air, they run on the contributions of churches and individuals who give from their hearts as well as their pocketbooks.Sir I feel your pain. But as I said you SHOULD READ SCRIPTURE. This will tell you what you are to do. And this does not mean to seek out any protestant church. Do your research. The answer is as close as the nose on your face. The true church of Christ is simply stated that there is no paid ministry.
Sir I feel your pain. But as I said you SHOULD READ SCRIPTURE. This will tell you what you are to do. And this does not mean to seek out any protestant church. Do your research. The answer is as close as the nose on your face. The true church of Christ is simply stated that there is no paid ministry.
Really Now

Andrews, SC

#96 Feb 8, 2008
Time to Pay the Piper wrote:
Good Lord!!!(how ironic his last name happens to be the very same as the master he's accused of robbing blindly. Off to jail they should go for fleecing the "wool" off the backs of the faithful church flock.
Wow you know a lot. I assume where you live one is guilty until proven innocent?
Really Now

Andrews, SC

#97 Feb 8, 2008
God Squad Member wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a big difference between picking up a stone and judging the person by their fruits. Actions speak louder than words and the actions of these 2 say alot. Does this mean that the are damned for all time? No. But you will be held accountable for your actions in this life and the life to come.
These 2 do have to answer for their actions and they should pay for their action.
There can be repentance but the ball is solely in their court. Excuses don't cut it no matter how you slice and dice it.
Remember Jesus also said that not everyone that calls on his name is one of His. Judge their actions and if they are real it will show, how ever if they are false put them out of the fellowship till such time as they come to real repentance.
It is right to know the difference and act accordingly. A real Christian needs to learn and live this.
What "actions" do you speak of? In democratic society one is guilty only after being found so by a jury. My favorite part of this whole thing is that no one from that church is standing by the pastor. Mistakes happen, but churches often have to eat their own to survive I guess. Witch hunts and scandals is how we live these days as in the past.
Really Now

Andrews, SC

#98 Feb 8, 2008
jeff wrote:
Church are non-profit organizations, and to keep their non-profit status they are required to keep required records. I am sure that each denomination and churches within those demininations have a variety of ways of handling the church's money; however, I agree that from offering plate to the bank, there should be two sets of eyes, and checks, credits cards, etc. should be monitored by those elected to represent the congregation such as deacons or council members.
The United Methodist Church is a large organization and I am sure there are guidelines in places for churches to follow.
That being said, obviously criminals (and that is what these folks are) can find ways to disquise the activity in hopes of never being caught. But usually - sooner or later - someone slips up or it just comes to light. The fact that you confess after you are caught just means if you had not gotten caught you would still be stealing.
"These" folks are "obviously" criminals? I see one admission of guilt here. But hey, "jeff" will fill in the details for us. Thanks "jeff".
Know-it-all

Lexington, SC

#99 Feb 8, 2008
This mess tops Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker! At least the Methodist learned it honestly. Look what happened to Jim and God rest the soul of Tammy Faye. I'm Presbyterian, so it tells me a lot.

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