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If you have been told about four different incidents, the Police have been called and responded to actions involving a Huntington City employee family member and no arrest or paperwork were filed, two of these calls were for family violence and two for vehicle related incidents. Each time that employee was called to the scene and was present. Can we assume if this happened to our own family this would have the same outcome? What do you think?
In Huntington are some playing by different rules than you and I are? Wouldn't this present a huge liability for the City if it is happening?
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Yes and on one of the incidents is when one of our officers was assaulted by the employees "family member". But then again all the employees family came to the council meeting and testified how much of a stand up person she is and how she would never allow such a thing to happen. Yet again another concealed issue that was never handled, funny how money and stroke changes local laws. That mess will carry on until he winds up runnin somebody over or worse.

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Of course if you are one of the "elite" and "upper ones" in city management and you have your "scuffles" then obviously you have wonderful little perks, which seems to include not having to be responible for assault or vehicle related incidents within the confines of the city when the city police are involved. Which also seems to mean that the police will have to allow themselves to be assaulted with no reprocussions toward the agressor. Wonder what it will take to make changes?????

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Manuela wrote:
Of course if you are one of the "elite" and "upper ones" in city management and you have your "scuffles" then obviously you have wonderful little perks, which seems to include not having to be responible for assault or vehicle related incidents within the confines of the city when the city police are involved. Which also seems to mean that the police will have to allow themselves to be assaulted with no reprocussions toward the agressor. Wonder what it will take to make changes?????
ANSWER: Get rid of Milstead and Gregson seems like what most people would say is the answer.

It appears the council is either clueless or don't care or too busy receiving perks to do anything about. Would the term cowards come to everyone's mind?

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I was present at one Council meeting when such charges were brought against Betsy. It seems that Council (several members have changed since then) believed if they didn't see it then it didn't happen. And better yet, if you didn't see it happen, then it never happened. In my opinion once again no questions were asked and no investigation was done into the information brought to the Council that night by the Citizens. In my opinion it was shameful how it was handled. And to make matters worse the cop in question was present guarding the Council with his head hung down during the whole thing. Body language says a lot about what did happen. Whether you see it or not, things do happen and it's not always what is right.
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I was present at one Council meeting when such charges were brought against Betsy. It seems that Council (several members have changed since then) believed if they didn't see it then it didn't happen. And better yet, if you didn't see it happen, then it never happened. In my opinion once again no questions were asked and no investigation was done into the information brought to the Council that night by the Citizens. In my opinion it was shameful how it was handled. And to make matters worse the cop in question was present guarding the Council with his head hung down during the whole thing. Body language says a lot about what did happen. Whether you see it or not, things do happen and it's not always what is right.
Had his head hung huh??? It was probably the only way poor guy got to keep his job.
Pop A Cop and still walk right in front of him and smile because you know you got by with it. That's about as low as it gets. And that's how much RESPECT the Mayor and City Council has for the officers that PROTECT our citizens. All of them should have been GONE. AND IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR READS THIS QUOTE, IN MY OPINION THE NEXT DAY YOUR NAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN OFF THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE IN MY WORLD THAT'S A "COWARD". It's NOT everywhere or everyday you can ASSAULT a POLICE OFFICER and walk away grinning. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

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<quoted text>Had his head hung huh??? It was probably the only way poor guy got to keep his job.
Pop A Cop and still walk right in front of him and smile because you know you got by with it. That's about as low as it gets. And that's how much RESPECT the Mayor and City Council has for the officers that PROTECT our citizens. All of them should have been GONE. AND IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR READS THIS QUOTE, IN MY OPINION THE NEXT DAY YOUR NAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN OFF THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE IN MY WORLD THAT'S A "COWARD". It's NOT everywhere or everyday you can ASSAULT a POLICE OFFICER and walk away grinning. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
How can our officers serve and protect all citizens if they must pick and choose who is protected. They are not protecting the one making the 911 call and they are not protecting themselves either. If the officers can't count on the Council to have their back in doing their job, it makes me wonder why they work here. Just having a job isn't worth much without the respect that should go with it. And you can't respect someone who cows down from fear of being fired. No officer should answer to anyone except the Police Chief. And the Police Chief should be directly under the Council in my opinion. That way there would be fewer conflicts of interest with the other employees.
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I SEE THERE IS AN AD IN THE LDN UNDER SECTION # 380 BY THE CITY OF ZAVALLA advertising for one full-time police officer and one part-time officer.
Application must be submitted by October 12, 2012.

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inacar wrote:
I was present at one Council meeting when such charges were brought against Betsy. It seems that Council (several members have changed since then) believed if they didn't see it then it didn't happen. And better yet, if you didn't see it happen, then it never happened. In my opinion once again no questions were asked and no investigation was done into the information brought to the Council that night by the Citizens. In my opinion it was shameful how it was handled. And to make matters worse the cop in question was present guarding the Council with his head hung down during the whole thing. Body language says a lot about what did happen. Whether you see it or not, things do happen and it's not always what is right.
It's a pretty sad day when the people who are sworn to "protect and serve" are "threatened" to do what others want in order to keep their job. And the officer in question was also NOT allowed to be asked any questions by the public during that council meeting. SHAME ON THE COUNCIL for not allowing all the information to be shared so that everyone would know the TRUTH. That just tells me that they (council and or city management) is hiding something.
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This is a good thread. At least WE are being honest. Where is the PETITION???
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I SEE THERE IS AN AD IN THE LDN UNDER SECTION # 380 BY THE CITY OF ZAVALLA advertising for one full-time police officer and one part-time officer.
Application must be submitted by October 12, 2012.
What does the ad have to do with the thread? Just wondering

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What does the ad have to do with the thread? Just wondering
Maybe letting our officers know there are other jobs out there. The problem seems to be the employees that are no longer employed here have a difficult time getting hired elsewhere. Could it be that Bruce/Betsy is giving a negative job reference when asked?

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inacar wrote:
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Maybe letting our officers know there are other jobs out there. The problem seems to be the employees that are no longer employed here have a difficult time getting hired elsewhere. Could it be that Bruce/Betsy is giving a negative job reference when asked?
I'm sure Bruce and possibly Betsy have made the 'appropriate' comments to other organizations who have received applications from people who were once employed by the city of huntington. Nothing like being "blackballed" so that they (current city big wigs) can relish in the fact that they are in 'control' even after letting those employees go. Wonder how well Bruce would handle being dropped from the city and all those perks and benfits and not be able to gain employment somewhere else because of being blackballed???? just saying

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I wonder if council members really care if they keep their position or not. They don't get paid for being on the council. They have to have it in their heart to have true genuine concern for their position and the obligation that goes with it.

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I wonder if council members really care if they keep their position or not. They don't get paid for being on the council. They have to have it in their heart to have true genuine concern for their position and the obligation that goes with it.
I think they only reason MOST of the council members ever hold the position is to 1) get what they can from the city, i.e. their street fixed or 2) just to say they are on the council... I don't think that MOST of them really care about the city. I believe there have been a few that genuinely cared about the city, BUT, thanks to Bruce or Betsy (or maybe both) they were never allowed to do anything that would have been a benefit for the city. This is of course my take on things... I have no proof.

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I think they only reason MOST of the council members ever hold the position is to 1) get what they can from the city, i.e. their street fixed or 2) just to say they are on the council... I don't think that MOST of them really care about the city. I believe there have been a few that genuinely cared about the city, BUT, thanks to Bruce or Betsy (or maybe both) they were never allowed to do anything that would have been a benefit for the city. This is of course my take on things... I have no proof.
I think the Council members go into it for different reasons, some for the Community and some for obligation. Several council were "groomed" first by Betsy having them on the Economic Development Board to see if they will follow her lead or make waves. I have heard several say that once they are on the Council they feel that they are in the minority and can't get the others to do anything different. They say if they question anything the other Council members tell them that's the way it is or they will explain it later. And of course "later" never comes, kind of like the committees that are planned to get Citizen involvement never happens. But it sure sounds good during a Council meeting to shut up a Citizen with concerns. Speaking of questionable conduct, how about the no involvement from the Council members and the Economic Development Board? Anyone wonder why?

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Manuela wrote:
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I think they only reason MOST of the council members ever hold the position is to 1) get what they can from the city, i.e. their street fixed or 2) just to say they are on the council... I don't think that MOST of them really care about the city. I believe there have been a few that genuinely cared about the city, BUT, thanks to Bruce or Betsy (or maybe both) they were never allowed to do anything that would have been a benefit for the city. This is of course my take on things... I have no proof.
I think its the same for many cities. Too much control is in hands of city adminstration and not in hands of council.

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<quoted text>I think the Council members go into it for different reasons, some for the Community and some for obligation. Several council were "groomed" first by Betsy having them on the Economic Development Board to see if they will follow her lead or make waves. I have heard several say that once they are on the Council they feel that they are in the minority and can't get the others to do anything different. They say if they question anything the other Council members tell them that's the way it is or they will explain it later. And of course "later" never comes, kind of like the committees that are planned to get Citizen involvement never happens. But it sure sounds good during a Council meeting to shut up a Citizen with concerns. Speaking of questionable conduct, how about the no involvement from the Council members and the Economic Development Board? Anyone wonder why?
Nothing like having the boss in your back pocket.

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Helpful links that I have posted previously

to research the law.
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/

Texas Attorney General
For open records
https://www.oag.state.tx.us/open/index.shtml

Interesting Letter rulings by attorney general for open records requests. Apparently, someone is requesting email between certain employees.

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/openreco...

Search OR2012-11555 at Attorney General Website if above link does not work. You can see letter rulings by the attorney general when governments try to hold the records from the public

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July 25, 2012

For City of Huntington

OR2012-11555

Dear Mr. Cassels:

You ask whether certain information is subject to required public disclosure under the Public Information Act (the "Act"), chapter 552 of the Government Code. Your request was assigned ID# 459918.

The City of Huntington (the "city"), which you represent, received a request for all e-mail correspondence to or from the city manager, city secretary, city council, or city employees during a specified time period involving either of two named individuals.(1) You claim the submitted information is excepted from disclosure pursuant to sections 552.103, 552.107, and 552.111 of the Government Code.(2) We have considered the exceptions you claim and reviewed the submitted information.

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