Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#17667 Jul 9, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>No, it's not helpful at all. In fact there are no similarities.

With Obamacare it is NOT mandatory, there is a monetary penalty only for not having it. A penalty and mandatory is not equal, the same thing, or any other word you want to use.

In those States with auto insurance requirements, it is mandatory to get a tag and a drivers license. In addition if your auto insurance lapses, you can not only be fined with a ticket but your license can be revoked, go to jail, and get tied up in our court system and wish you were never born.

Kill those sorry dogs you have! or better yet trade them in for some cats. The cats will recognize a rat real fast.
In the immortal words of Dobie Gillis :

"Maynard, what you said just doesn't make any sense"
Informed Opinion

United States

#17668 Jul 9, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
@IO
You still haven't answered my question, if Obamacare is going to be so great for the country why, when they have already had 3 years to get ready, are they now delaying the employer mandate until after the election?

And if Obamacare is going to be so great and we needed to do it for the 40 million uninsured, why do the CBO numbers show that even after implementation, there will still be almost 30 million uninsured?

Is it really worth the complete upheaval of our medical system in order to additionally insure a grand total of 10-15 million people -3-4% of the population, when there were other, far less drastic options available?
That's an easy one.

First, the survey says that uninsured are certain they'll buy insurance -- that doesn't mean they won't have to pay fines to help be responsible for their health care costs.

That's what seems to drive Right Winger mad, that those who don't obtain insurance are taxed and fined to cover the costs of their irresponsibility.

So, either way, we get them insured or they are forced to pay toward their costs and I am relieved to some extent of supporting their freeloading deadbeat butts.

But further.

Why would we want to let "the perfect" be the enemy of "the possible" ?

If we have 40 millions uninsured freeloading deadbeats who for force you and I to pay their medical costs because they want to spend their money on ATVs, PBR, or Mad Dog 20/20;

... and we pass a law that takes at least 10,000,000 of them and makes them be responsible adults;

... We should just give up because the law isn't perfect enough to force all freeloading deadbeats to pay their own way;

.... Instead we should throw our the law because it's not perfect enough to stop all freeloading deadbeats from being, at least partial, freeloading deadbeats ?

Here's my question -

Why are Right Wingers,(who claim to be all about personal responsibility), so outraged that freeloading deadbeats might be forced to be responsible for their own health care costs ?

There can be only two answers:

1- Right Wingers really don't give a damn about personal responsibly,

or

2- Right Wingers are the freeloading deadbeats.

If there is a third answer let me know.

o great moron

Blairsville, GA

#17669 Jul 9, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Eve, just because you say so doesn't make it true. Just because you say I'm over 65 doesn't make it true. Just because you say hospitals must make a profit doesn't make it true.
There are many untrue statements in your post. I'm not going to point them out, you wouldn't believe me anyway.
You keep asking for information while providing none, except opinions of course. Well sorry dude, I'm not an information booth on the highway for the dumb.
But you can put this in your hat to wear around, or in your pipe and smoke it instead of the weed.
The IRS is going to administer Obamacare, must give you a warm and fuzzy feeling all over.
"The IRS Mistakenly Exposed Thousands of Social Security Numbers."
http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/the-irs-m...
O great moron, the IRS doesn't administer the health care bill. Its that what conservative talk radio is saying these days. Oh my, what some people will say to make a couple million a year baiting fools like you!! The IRS monitors who participates and who doesn't and they will collect the penalty from people who CHOOSE not to be in the system. Why don't you do another google search on IRS mistakes, you will find a lot. Its a big operation and its JOB is to get people to obey the tax LAWS passed by CONGRESS, not the IRS. You know you cheat on your taxes, most do to some extent, the
IRS is mandated by Congress to get the money Congress wants. Why
do you blame the messenger and not the people in charge, Congress.
The IRS is like the TVA, they have a job to do mandated by Congress and a lot of people don't like what they do. So Congress gives them a lot of room to make things happen, like taking away good land from good people to build a lake to generate power for all the people. That's what the IRS does, it takes your money and gives it to government to do things for all people. Some people
don't like it but its the job they are given by Congress.

Why don't you google just how many times credit card info including ssi numbers have been hacked, you still carry a credit card don't you.

Nice copout, you won't point out the lies I posted because I wouldn't believe you anyway. To some degree you are correct, but if you post a real news source or study by a reputable organization I will surely consider it. But you don't get information for them now do you?

I get a warm fuzzy feeling in my stomach when I consider people like you vote, just before I puke.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#17671 Jul 9, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>Great post, info-op. I wonder if anyone has ever seriously looked at how much it would cost to try to build a secure wall just on the U.S./Mexican border(the longest continuous land border in the world). There was one proposed under the last Bush administration(I think), the only problem was that it had huge gaps because it created problems for some very wealthy and influential people, the one that I most remember was a country club/golf course that spanned the border in Texas- it was to be exempt, just like dozens of others. How much sense does that make. As you say, it is a matter of capitalism, if you cut out the demand, then the supply will dry up.
Isn't it amazing how how budget deficit and national debt is only a problem if the money is spent on anything other than blowing things up, killing people, and spying on ourselves.

Nobody on TOPIX has been the least bit concerned that another $30,000,000,000 is gonna be borrowed from the Chinese for our kids and Grandkids to pay back.

But spend a dime to make freeloading deadbeats get their own insurance and the world comes to an end.

Spending $30,000,000,000 to stop Pedro from crossing the border to work at a concrete factory in Duluth Minnesota just ain't the best solution.

Throwing the owner of the concrete factory in prison is the solution - but the owner bribes ... er ... contributes... to the gubernatorial, the presidential, and the congress candidates - and covertly to political PACs, so that ain't gonna happen.

Nobody ever writes about the need to prosecute employers of illegals.

That's why it's always humorous to hear rants about the "liberal" press. If the press in the United States was any more Right Wing, they'd have to display Mussolini's picture on the front page of every newspaper, every day.

Any editor who announces too loudly the profits created by the employment of illegals would soon discover the joy of editing the "South Pole Gazette."
you aint

Blairsville, GA

#17672 Jul 9, 2013
Opinion Poll wrote:
State your opinion about Obama Care(even though it doesn't count.)
Write your Senators and Representatives(even though they pay no attention.)
Tell your spouse how you feel(even though he/she may tell you to go soak your head.)
Tell your neighbor(even though he/she may slam the door in your face.)
Tell your kids(even though they may call you an old fogy( even if you are only 31.))
And finally tell your Priest/Preacher(even though the Priest will tell you to do 3 Hail Marys, and the Preacher will ask you to repair the bathroom in the men's room.)
When people are in the minority that's just the way they feel. If you not sure, just as a black man how it felt and still feels. You will find common ground, don't make you right cause you ain't! Nothing is right in the Tea Party.
Who

Clarkesville, GA

#17673 Jul 9, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
In the immortal words of Dobie Gillis :
"Maynard, what you said just doesn't make any sense"

Oh, it makes sense, but not to someone who has no sense.
We the People

Blairsville, GA

#17674 Jul 9, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Congress - blames Obama and the Supremes;
Obama - blames the Supremes and Congress;
The Supremes - blame Congress and Obama;
Nobody is at fault;
Everyone gets re-elected;
Everyone gets paid.
Ah... American politics in action.
And "We the people" never blame "We the people" when in fact as a collective its ALL our fault. TV and radio just make it way to easy to manipulate the masses thoughts and beliefs. The men that penned the Constitution had no idea such a thing would ever exist. They believed in independent thought, not mass brainwashing.
danger zone

Marietta, GA

#17675 Jul 9, 2013
Lose quality healthcare IS right...

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/05/55003-unions-...
Who

Clarkesville, GA

#17676 Jul 9, 2013
o great moron wrote:
<quoted text>
O great moron, the IRS doesn't administer the health care bill. Its that what conservative talk radio is saying these days. Oh my, what some people will say to make a couple million a year baiting fools like you!! The IRS monitors who participates and who doesn't and they will collect the penalty from people who CHOOSE not to be in the system. Why don't you do another google search on IRS mistakes, you will find a lot. Its a big operation and its JOB is to get people to obey the tax LAWS passed by CONGRESS, not the IRS. You know you cheat on your taxes, most do to some extent, the
IRS is mandated by Congress to get the money Congress wants. Why
do you blame the messenger and not the people in charge, Congress.
The IRS is like the TVA, they have a job to do mandated by Congress and a lot of people don't like what they do. So Congress gives them a lot of room to make things happen, like taking away good land from good people to build a lake to generate power for all the people. That's what the IRS does, it takes your money and gives it to government to do things for all people. Some people
don't like it but its the job they are given by Congress.
Why don't you google just how many times credit card info including ssi numbers have been hacked, you still carry a credit card don't you.
Nice copout, you won't point out the lies I posted because I wouldn't believe you anyway. To some degree you are correct, but if you post a real news source or study by a reputable organization I will surely consider it. But you don't get information for them now do you?
I get a warm fuzzy feeling in my stomach when I consider people like you vote, just before I puke.

Well ugly Eve, if the IRS is not overseeing the running of Obamacare, why don't you enlighten us as to what organization will be overseeing it. But I forget, that may tax your brain to the limit.
And thanks for confirming you would not believe any proof I might cite. I call such a brain a fossilized rock.

And just like the spittle spitting MSNBC newscaster, that warm fuzzy feeling running up your leg is not what you think it is.

Why don't we just quit the personal slander and get down to the real purpose of topix, like discussing a topic with a little intelligence? Or are you so immature and lacking in ability to support your argument with actual data, other than your personal bias?
Who

Clarkesville, GA

#17677 Jul 9, 2013
you aint wrote:
<quoted text>
When people are in the minority that's just the way they feel. If you not sure, just as a black man how it felt and still feels. You will find common ground, don't make you right cause you ain't! Nothing is right in the Tea Party.

Ugly Eve is at it again. A babble of confusion with a post that says nothing, a lottery ball bouncing around in a cage, something about blacks and feelings, something about common ground and right causes tied to the Tea Party.

What are you smoking dude?
Who

Clarkesville, GA

#17678 Jul 9, 2013
We the People wrote:
<quoted text>
And "We the people" never blame "We the people" when in fact as a collective its ALL our fault. TV and radio just make it way to easy to manipulate the masses thoughts and beliefs. The men that penned the Constitution had no idea such a thing would ever exist. They believed in independent thought, not mass brainwashing.

Hey dude, you gotta quit smoking that stuff so early in the day, and are you doing it collectively.
Who

Clarkesville, GA

#17679 Jul 9, 2013
danger zone wrote:
Lose quality healthcare IS right...
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/05/55003-unions-...

"Unions Turn Against ObamaCare: We Were Duped!"


They are not the only ones duped, just look at those posting in favor of Obamacare with nocare, Idon'tcare, IOcare, and uglyEvecare.



Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17680 Jul 9, 2013
We the People wrote:
<quoted text>
And "We the people" never blame "We the people" when in fact as a collective its ALL our fault. TV and radio just make it way to easy to manipulate the masses thoughts and beliefs. The men that penned the Constitution had no idea such a thing would ever exist. They believed in independent thought, not mass brainwashing.
If you don't believe that brainwashing works, then just keep reading the liberal post on this site.
danger zone

Marietta, GA

#17681 Jul 9, 2013
The media buries the Obamacare trainwreck.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/347071/s...

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17682 Jul 9, 2013
I was just scrolling through the web and found this interesting article about prison inmates that are on a hunger strike. Seems to me that the prisons should just start preparing only one meal a day for them in case they start to change their minds. Think how much money the taxpayers would save feeding those criminals. The prisoners would be trying to riot if the prisons cut off the prisoners normal food rations. I guess it matters who thought of this idea.
Seems that the inmates want to run the prisons, not the other way around. I doubt there are many people that care if they starve themselves to death.
I say let them hunger strike as long as they want because I don't care. Treat these people for what they are. Criminals that are being punished.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ff-pr...

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17684 Jul 9, 2013
This is for all you Liberals that believe that the economy is doing so great and that there are all these great jobs being created. Yeah, part time jobs and Temp jobs when you can find them.
The era of good permanent full time jobs may soon be over and Obamacare is going to see that this is going to be permanent.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/recovery-woes-a...
danger zone

Marietta, GA

#17685 Jul 9, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
"Unions Turn Against ObamaCare: We Were Duped!"
They are not the only ones duped, just look at those posting in favor of Obamacare with nocare, Idon'tcare, IOcare, and uglyEvecare.
The duped ones ACTUALLY believe Obama cares about them. Just like those poor uneducated, low information voters from Ghettoland & da hood. Astounding!

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17686 Jul 9, 2013
Just take a look at all the people on food assistance. The figure of one hundred and one million is mind blowing! Don't you think that the high number of unemployed and underemployed people are adding to a huge part of this?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/101m-get-food...
danger zone

Marietta, GA

#17688 Jul 9, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
Just take a look at all the people on food assistance. The figure of one hundred and one million is mind blowing! Don't you think that the high number of unemployed and underemployed people are adding to a huge part of this?
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/101m-get-food...
I hope whoever it was arguing about this, just a week or so ago, reads this. They went on & on about how welfare recipients DO NOT out number private sector workers... Good grief, what planet do they post from?
Who

Clarkesville, GA

#17689 Jul 9, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
This is for all you Liberals that believe that the economy is doing so great and that there are all these great jobs being created. Yeah, part time jobs and Temp jobs when you can find them.
The era of good permanent full time jobs may soon be over and Obamacare is going to see that this is going to be permanent.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/recovery-woes-a...


And temps have no benefits of any kind, and are glad if they get the money promised on time.

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