Who do you support for U.S. Senate in...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12777 May 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...The biggest problem for unions is the increase in right to work states which allow workers to finally say "hell, no - I don't want to be forced to join that d__n corrupt union."
Course on the other side of the coin, it gives the employer wide latitude to fire without cause.

Perhaps we should wonder why non-union mines have a higher safety violation rate than union mines.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12778 May 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
"the facts of science from evolution to climate change" The problem is your use of the word "facts" - evolution is a theory with just as many holes in it as there are so called evidences supporting it, might it be proven true eventually?- possibly, but it is most assuredly not "proven" yet. It is just what the bitter atheistic clingers hold on to in order to try and support their disbelief in a Creator.
"It is just what the bitter atheistic clingers hold on to in order to try and support their disbelief in a Creator."

Unfortunately for you this is entirely irrelevant, Evolution does not concern itself with a Creator, but does concern itself with the method for genetic change. Belief or disbelief in a Creator is not a requirement to support Evolution over ID.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#12779 May 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
@ Conservatives.
...
To the conservatives on topix, stand fast and live by your principles.
To the liberals, good riddance.
"After posting in this thread for months, it’s obvious the gap between Conservatives and Liberals is so huge it will never be bridged."

Yep, certainly not in my lifetime, IMHO. I believe it's part of the intent, or the "grand plan", of the liberaces...

"I have also found by being involved on topix, I have become more or less obsessive/compulsive in posting so I have decided to take a hiatus from topix for the moral good of my soul. When one becomes so absorbed in politics where it affects one’s moral compass, the effort is not worth it. My life does NOT revolve around politics; I just get sucked into it occasionally.

+1 Can't take this stuff, or many of the posters, too seriously.

Like some goofball (putting it lightly) said (at the DNC), something like, "The Government is the only thing we all belong to..." Politics is, for better or worse, one of the few things that IMPACTS all of us.

Please check your "registered name" private messages in the next couple of days for a message from Synergy or me.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#12780 May 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, without unions, the playing field is level. I thought you libs were all for fairness. Not everyone in the middle class can belong to a union. As I understand it, it's all in who you know. That might be wrong, but I DO know with certain unions, you have to have someone help you get in. References, if you will.
Please, oh please, explain to us all how the playing field is level when:

in this corner -
Jim,
a 52 year old maintenance man,
with three kids and a wife,
making $38,627.00 a year,

vs.

in this corner -
Exxon Mobil,
valued at $512,000,000,000.00,
with an annual profit of $46,000,000,000.00,
a profit ration of 25%,
on revenue well over $1,000,000,000,000.00
and 82,000 employees.

Please, explain to us all how night shuft maintenance employee Jim will bring Exxon Mobil to its knees.

Tell us how the CEO,
who just received a 20% raise,
making $25,000,000.00 a year,
leaves one of the six corporate jets assigned to his office,
to engage in negotiations with Jim, after Jim finishes his shift.

First maybe you can explain why, absent a union, Jim isn't just fired and replaces by Bob, a 19 year old kid who'll do Jim's job for minimum wage.

Wait.. Maybe you first out to explain why, absent unions, Bob is entitled to a minimum wage.

Could it be the natural desire of companies to "share the profits generously with their employees?

No, that can't be it. That record is crystal clear.
Employee and profits are both higher than ever in history, and the wages paid employees have consistently fallen in real dollars.
Labor is a commodity, employers buy as cheap as they can to increase profit- that's their job.

Well - let's await the answer - This ought to be good.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12781 May 22, 2013
Death Panel wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Science is theory, for the most part. I like science. If I had the brains, I would study Quantum Physics. Fascinating stuff.
But I also recognize that most of it is theory. Dating the earth is imPossible, it's that old IN MY OPINION and evolution is theory. Believe it if you want, makes absolutely no difference to me.
Yeah, kinda like the Germ Theory, or Immunology, it just doesn't effect me, until it does.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#12782 May 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>See. You call them scabs. Classy.
As I posted a few minutes ago, not every person can get in a union. What do you think those that can't get in should do to make a living? Should they just let their families starve? Live in a homeless shelter?
THAT is why you union types are considered so dispicable. You hate and call names those who would probably like to get into a union but can't. Bunch of bullies.
Scabs
Parasites,
Deadbeats,
Freeloaders,

Greedy,
selfish,
who allow other to fight the battles, who allow others to risk their jobs,
who allow others to do the work,
who allow others to negotiate with the "big boys",
and then slurp up the wages, benefits, and job security earned by the blood and sweat of others.

Scabs
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#12783 May 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously, you need a brain transplant. In another post, you were criticizing the money that people are donating.$286,000 right now. How much a few days from now? Next week? Next month? See, you are just being a jerk, IO.
Typical Right Wing Wacko tactic.

Lie, lie, and lie some more.

Don't like the facts ?

Just lie.

I complimented those giving, I even commented that I myself donated.

So the claim I "criticized" is just another bald faced, easily disproved, lie.

I simply stated the obvious that in a multi-billion dollar disaster, we should fool ourselves by thinking our donations will even come close to making a debt in the need.

That is a helpful statement of fact - not a criticism.

That's why FEMA, under the grown ups, is funded at the multi-billion dollar level it is.

Nice try.

Hey, next time accuse me of being anti-union.

Disproving that will be fun, too.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#12784 May 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, kinda like the Germ Theory, or Immunology, it just doesn't effect me, until it does.
There's talk if a compromise !

Right Wing Wackos have indicated a willingness, to seriously consider, possibly, under the right terms and conditions, allowing the "theory" of gravity to be taught in schools - as long as the Right Wing Wacko "theory" that the Earth just sucks, is also taught.

And people say you can't reach reasonable compromises with Wackos.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#12785 May 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
@ Conservatives.
After posting in this thread for months, it’s obvious the gap between Conservatives and Liberals is so huge it will never be bridged. We here on topix are just a micronism of what we see on the national level and in our elected officials.
I have also found by being involved on topix, I have become more or less obsessive/compulsive in posting so I have decided to take a hiatus from topix for the moral good of my soul. When one becomes so absorbed in politics where it affects one’s moral compass, the effort is not worth it. My life does NOT revolve around politics; I just get sucked into it occasionally.
I have great faith in conservative principles as they have stood the test of time, not so the liberal principles.
I’m giving a top ten list of conservative principles along with a top ten list of liberal principles.
And finally I’m giving a top ten list of philosophical principles.
Maybe some of you can discern some similarity in these principles, maybe not.
.....
Bored,
I understand completely what you are saying, but I hope you won't be gone too long. Your input is needed on here. But it is so easy to get too wrapped up in this sometimes and I think we have all at some point or another taken hiatuses for "mental health" reasons. Take care and I hope we "see" you again in the not too distant future.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#12786 May 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for clearing that up...

Bush administration U.S. attorney firings controversy
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...

n late 2006, the Bush Justice Department fired (or asked for the resignation of) eight U.S. attorneys all previously appointed by President George W. Bush. Earlier in 2006, a provision included in the reauthorization of the Patriot Act allowed these positions to be filled by the administration without U.S. Senate approval. In early 2007, hearings were held on the matter in both the House and Senate Judiciary committees on the firings. Several of the fired attorneys testified that they had been contacted by members of Congress or executive officials about pending cases shortly before their termination. Such contact by members of Congress is a violation of both House and Senate rules.

Note: H.E. "Bud" Cummins was asked to resign as early as June 2006 and other AUSAs were marked for replacement. See Tim Griffin article.

The firings of the U.S. attorneys was emblematic of a broader scandal involving the Bush administration's politicization of the Department of Justice.

...On April 19, 2007, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales testified before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary. According to the Washington Post's Dana Milbank, "Gonzales uttered the phrase 'I don't recall' and its variants ('I have no recollection,''I have no memory') 64 times. Along the way, his answer became so routine that a Marine in the crowd put down his poster protesting the Iraq war and replaced it with a running 'I don't recall' tally.

"Take Gonzales's tally along with that of his former chief of staff, who uttered the phrase 'I don't remember' 122 times before the same committee three weeks ago, and the Justice Department might want to consider handing out Ginkgo biloba in the employee cafeteria."

...Monica Goodling stated in an affidavit to the Senate Judiciary Committee dated March 26, 2007, that she would "decline to answer any and all questions" regarding the issue. Goodling's reasoning was that she did not want to put herself in a legally precarious position due to the fact that the Committee had already drawn conclusions about the issue. Goodling's willingness to invoke her Fifth Amendment rights, protecting her from self-incrimination, further raised suspicion as to how high up the involvement went.
Thankfully,

Bush politicized the Office of Attorney General and the Judicial Branch line never before by demanding applicants for judicial appointments reveal their personal beliefs on religions, abortion rights, and a plethora of other matters previously held to be "off limits"

Then to compound the damage to our country he appointed an extraordinary percentage from that famous, well-respected, highly distinguished,
(sarcasm intended)
law school,
Jerry Falwell .... er.... Liberty University.

Imagine, your future as a litigant, and the future of our country, dictated by a prosecutor unable to gain admission to a better school, or worse, so personally Right Wing, that he/she attended Jerry Falwell U.

Of course, upon taking office - Obama, that wild- eyed socialist did nothing to repair the damage. He wanted to "move forward".
Herb

Baldwin, GA

#12787 May 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, oh please, explain to us all how the playing field is level when:
in this corner -
Jim,
a 52 year old maintenance man,
with three kids and a wife,
making $38,627.00 a year,
vs.
in this corner -
Exxon Mobil,
valued at $512,000,000,000.00,
with an annual profit of $46,000,000,000.00,
a profit ration of 25%,
on revenue well over $1,000,000,000,000.00
and 82,000 employees.
Please, explain to us all how night shuft maintenance employee Jim will bring Exxon Mobil to its knees.
Tell us how the CEO,
who just received a 20% raise,
making $25,000,000.00 a year,
leaves one of the six corporate jets assigned to his office,
to engage in negotiations with Jim, after Jim finishes his shift.
First maybe you can explain why, absent a union, Jim isn't just fired and replaces by Bob, a 19 year old kid who'll do Jim's job for minimum wage.
Wait.. Maybe you first out to explain why, absent unions, Bob is entitled to a minimum wage.
Could it be the natural desire of companies to "share the profits generously with their employees?
No, that can't be it. That record is crystal clear.
Employee and profits are both higher than ever in history, and the wages paid employees have consistently fallen in real dollars.
Labor is a commodity, employers buy as cheap as they can to increase profit- that's their job.
Well - let's await the answer - This ought to be good.
Would you repeat the question, please?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#12788 May 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
So let's see, drunk driving was always a crime but was not considered a societial problem until an activist group put focus on it. But this is a poor comparison to mass murder because murder is already a crime and anything we try to do to make it more difficult for the next shooter to go on a spree infringes on freedom.
Course the problem is not mass murder, as you've shown it is an infrequent occurence, but gun violence is an all to common occurence, but our hands are tied because of freedom. Back ground checks for "private" sales, nope takes away freedom. Lower capacity magazines, nope gotta be able to stop armored vehicles and flying launch platforms because tyranny.
Your comparison would therefore logically imply we should run "back ground" checks before allowing people to order a drink at the bar (they might become a drunk driver) and should limit all patrons to one drink (why should anyone need more than one drink in an evening). You are therefore "punishing" the majority of people who drink responsibly for the actions of a few. A few who can cause great harm, but still the few.

But the issue of "gun control" legislation is not just the restrictions put on the vast majority of gun owners who are law abiding and responsible citizens - as opposed to those who commit the overwhelming preponderance of gun violence in the first place, for whom increased gun regulations will mean nothing -it is the reasonable belief that those pushing what they consider "reasonable gun restrictions" - are playing a long game that they hope will lead to eventual repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

But back to the issue of gun violence:
The Justice Dept has released a report that shows gun violence has DECREASED dramatically over the last 20 years.
Between 1993 and 2011, nonfatal gun crimes plummeted 69%; from 1.5 million to 467,300. Gun-related murders dropped 40%; from 18,253 to 11,101. Gun-related murders for black Americans plummeted by 51%. In addition, less than 2% of those state inmates who used a firearm during commission of the crime for which they were incarcerated obtained those guns at a flea market or gun show.
And do you really think the criminal, intent on doing harm, is going to only put 7 bullets in his 10 capacity magazine (like Gov Cuomo wants "responsible" citizens to do)- yeah, right.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#12789 May 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
"It is just what the bitter atheistic clingers hold on to in order to try and support their disbelief in a Creator."
Unfortunately for you this is entirely irrelevant, Evolution does not concern itself with a Creator, but does concern itself with the method for genetic change. Belief or disbelief in a Creator is not a requirement to support Evolution over ID.
Actually, it is quite relevant given the reception Darwin's theories was given within the atheistic communities and their immediate embrace of his theory to "prove" there was no longer need for a Creator. But again, I have no problem with the theory being taught, it is perfectly reasonable as we try to explain the history of life on this planet - my problem, and the problem that most who are intellectually honest about the debate have, is that it is taught as FACT without any information being given to students about the MANY questions that the theory of evolution still cannot explain - the Cambrian explosion, the relatively short amount of time life on this planet has had to somehow achieve the complexity and diversity that the fossil record shows, the absence still of any TRUE transitional species - a hole that Darwin recognized and warned could be a fatal flaw to his theory , the problem with irreducible complexity, etc. I would still contend Intelligent Design should be taught as well, but at minimum the theory of evolution should be taught as just that - THEORY still, with MANY unanswered questions.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12790 May 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...

To the conservatives on topix, stand fast and live by your principles.
To the liberals, good riddance.

Conservative principles::
Web link:
http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/detail/te ...

First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order.
Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity.
Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription.
Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence.
Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety.
Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability.
Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked.
Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism.
Ninth, the conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.
Tenth, the thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society.
Perhaps part of the problem is the self-defined glorious light that shines brightest on the self-deluded, as exemplified by the First, Nineth, and Tenth Order of Conservative Wisdom.

Then the Second Order of Conservative Wisdom calls for...

continuity
- The unbroken and consistent existence or operation of something over a period of time.
- A state of stability and the absence of disruption.

Which, naturally, is exemplified by the Fifth Order of Conservative Wisdom...

variety
- The quality or state of being different or diverse; the absence of uniformity, sameness, or monotony.
- A number or range of things of the same general class that are different or distinct in character or quality.

Now the Sixth Order of Conservative Wisdom claims the superiority of mediocrity, yet they revere the liberals who fashioned...

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And of course the Seventh Order of Conservative Wisdom is not shared by Liberals, except for the Liberals who founded this country.

With the Eighth Order of Conservative Wisdom collectivism is seen as purely a Liberal trait, which is true as the Founding Fathers clearly stated in the Preamble to the US Constitution, the people consent to collectively act thru government to resolve issues, promote the general welfare, and protect liberties and property.

Perhaps it would be best if Bored did retire from posting here, and concentrate his efforts on like-minded forums that will relieve his excessive-compulsive disorder.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#12791 May 22, 2013
I should acknowledge, that yes, I do realize there are believers in God who also accept evolution.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12792 May 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Your comparison would therefore logically imply we should run "back ground" checks before allowing people to order a drink at the bar (they might become a drunk driver) and should limit all patrons to one drink (why should anyone need more than one drink in an evening). You are therefore "punishing" the majority of people who drink responsibly for the actions of a few. A few who can cause great harm, but still the few.
Nope, background checks are not predictive of future behavior, they only reveal aspects of a person's past. Besides, it's just so punishing every time I'm carded to purchase alcohol.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12793 May 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Actually, it is quite relevant given the reception Darwin's theories was given within the atheistic communities and their immediate embrace of his theory to "prove" there was no longer need for a Creator.
And the relevance of who embraced or opposed Evolution 150 years ago has what bearing on today. And if you find it significant that atheists embrace Evolution, then it would be equally significant that Christians also embrace Evolution, as do people from many different religions, professions, and socio/economic positions.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12794 May 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...I have no problem with the theory being taught, it is perfectly reasonable as we try to explain the history of life on this planet - my problem, and the problem that most who are intellectually honest about the debate have, is that it is taught as FACT without any information being given to students about the MANY questions that the theory of evolution still cannot explain -

the Cambrian explosion
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC300.h...

- The Cambrian explosion was the seemingly sudden appearance of a variety of complex animals about 540 million years ago (Mya), but it was not the origin of complex life. Evidence of multicellular life from about 590 and 560 Mya appears in the Doushantuo Formation in China (Chen et al. 2000, 2004), and diverse fossil forms occurred before 555 Mya (Martin et al. 2000).(The Cambrian began 543 Mya., and the Cambrian explosion is considered by many to start with the first trilobites, about 530 Mya.) Testate amoebae are known from about 750 Mya (Porter and Knoll 2000). There are tracelike fossils more than 1,200 Mya in the Stirling Range Formation of Australia (Rasmussen et al. 2002). Eukaryotes (which have relatively complex cells) may have arisen 2,700 Mya, according to fossil chemical evidence (Brocks et al. 1999). Stromatolites show evidence of microbial life 3,430 Mya (Allwood et al. 2006). Fossil microorganisms may have been found from 3,465 Mya (Schopf 1993). There is isotopic evidence of sulfur-reducing bacteria from 3,470 Mya (Shen et al. 2001) and possible evidence of microbial etching of volcanic glass from 3,480 Mya (Furnes et al. 2004).

- There are transitional fossils within the Cambrian explosion fossils. For example, there are lobopods (basically worms with legs) which are intermediate between arthropods and worms (Conway Morris 1998).

- The length of the Cambrian explosion is ambiguous and uncertain, but five to ten million years is a reasonable estimate; some say the explosion spans forty million years or more, starting about 553 million years ago. Even the shortest estimate of five million years is hardly sudden.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC301.h...
- The Precambrian fossils that have been found are consistent with a branching pattern and inconsistent with a sudden Cambrian origin. For example, bacteria appear well before multicellular organisms, and there are fossils giving evidence of transitionals leading to halkierids and arthropods.

- Genetic evidence also shows a branching pattern in the Precambrian, indicating, for example, that plants diverged from a common ancestor before fungi diverged from animals.

Since: May 13

Ellijay, GA

#12795 May 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, kinda like the Germ Theory, or Immunology, it just doesn't effect me, until it does.
Evolution..Creationism....Big Bang ...monkeys.. Adam/Eve...you reckon this subject is on a par with germs? Is it a matter of life or death?

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have not been following this sideshow.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12796 May 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...I have no problem with the theory being taught, it is perfectly reasonable as we try to explain the history of life on this planet - my problem, and the problem that most who are intellectually honest about the debate have, is that it is taught as FACT without any information being given to students about the MANY questions that the theory of evolution still cannot explain -

the relatively short amount of time life on this planet has had to somehow achieve the complexity and diversity that the fossil record shows
Perhaps you could tell us how much time is required...

- The Cambrian explosion was the seemingly sudden appearance of a variety of complex animals about 540 million years ago (Mya), but it was not the origin of complex life. Evidence of multicellular life from about 590 and 560 Mya appears in the Doushantuo Formation in China (Chen et al. 2000, 2004), and diverse fossil forms occurred before 555 Mya (Martin et al. 2000).(The Cambrian began 543 Mya., and the Cambrian explosion is considered by many to start with the first trilobites, about 530 Mya.) Testate amoebae are known from about 750 Mya (Porter and Knoll 2000). There are tracelike fossils more than 1,200 Mya in the Stirling Range Formation of Australia (Rasmussen et al. 2002). Eukaryotes (which have relatively complex cells) may have arisen 2,700 Mya, according to fossil chemical evidence (Brocks et al. 1999). Stromatolites show evidence of microbial life 3,430 Mya (Allwood et al. 2006). Fossil microorganisms may have been found from 3,465 Mya (Schopf 1993). There is isotopic evidence of sulfur-reducing bacteria from 3,470 Mya (Shen et al. 2001) and possible evidence of microbial etching of volcanic glass from 3,480 Mya (Furnes et al. 2004).

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