Ex-Holyoke school teacher indicted on...

Ex-Holyoke school teacher indicted on child rape

There are 17 comments on the Berkshire Eagle story from Jun 13, 2009, titled Ex-Holyoke school teacher indicted on child rape. In it, Berkshire Eagle reports that:

A former Holyoke elementary school teacher who ran off with one of her students has been indicted on multiple counts of child rape.

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SAL

Weaverville, NC

#1 Jun 14, 2009
whats next??
A show trial

Chatham, NY

#3 Jun 14, 2009
SAL wrote:
whats next??
then 5 years probation. Bet this POS doesn't get the same amount of time as a male teacher would.
double standard

Ellington, CT

#4 Jun 14, 2009
Where are all the comments calling for the death of this scum bag. Oh that's right... it's different when the victim is a boy and the predator is a woman. Snicker Snicker. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Vox pop

Cobleskill, NY

#5 Jun 14, 2009
nothing hypocritical about differentiating b/w boys and girls. they are different.
double standard

Ellington, CT

#6 Jun 14, 2009
Vox pop wrote:
nothing hypocritical about differentiating b/w boys and girls. they are different.
I agree they are different, however does that make it less of a crime? Should we have different penalties if the victims are boys or girls or if the predators are male or female. Would if this teacher were a male and the victim still a boy? You better belive everyone would deride that man as a sicko and deserved of all sorts of penalties. I am just saying..........

Since: Aug 08

Gansevoort, NY

#7 Jun 14, 2009
Vox pop wrote:
nothing hypocritical about differentiating b/w boys and girls. they are different.
Sexual offense is still sexual offense. It shouldn't differentiate between genders. She should serve every bit as much time as a male should in the same situation. Fair is fair...
Vox pop

Cobleskill, NY

#8 Jun 14, 2009
there is a pretty fundamental difference b/w a 15 y.o. teenage boy being seduced in a "mrs. robinson" situation and those that you described. namely consent. we can pretend that he lacks the ability to consent - but we all know otherwise. a young woman is not going to make a healthy 15 y.o. teenager do anything he doesn't want to do. also boys can't get impregnated etc. the level of culpability for a female adult playing mrs. robinson is simply far less than it iw with an adult male who would almost always be physically stronger than his teenage victim etc.

imho: Its a situation where factual/biological/anatomical distinctions based on gender should be considered in determining what an appropriate punishment is. if thats sexist - sorry but i think its reality.
double standard

Ellington, CT

#9 Jun 14, 2009
Yes, perhaps it seems that 15 year old boys have a greater ability to consent, than 15 year old girls, but isn't that more of a reflection of what society expects of boys ie,tougher, sexually aggressive, etc. They are suppose to want sex all the time while girls are expected to be submissive, easily vulnerable and more selective of their sexual partrners.

I don't think it is sexist, but all boys and girls are not emtionally equal and the idea that a "healthy 15 year old boy" is not going to do anything he doesn't want to do is too sweeping of a generalization.

As far as Mrs. Robinson,Dustin Hoffman's character, I believe, was in his early twenty's and it wasn't illegal.
Relief

Stockton, CA

#10 Jun 14, 2009
Vox pop wrote:
there is a pretty fundamental difference b/w a 15 y.o. teenage boy being seduced in a "mrs. robinson" situation and those that you described. namely consent. we can pretend that he lacks the ability to consent - but we all know otherwise. a young woman is not going to make a healthy 15 y.o. teenager do anything he doesn't want to do. also boys can't get impregnated etc. the level of culpability for a female adult playing mrs. robinson is simply far less than it iw with an adult male who would almost always be physically stronger than his teenage victim etc.
imho: Its a situation where factual/biological/anatomical distinctions based on gender should be considered in determining what an appropriate punishment is. if thats sexist - sorry but i think its reality.
You raise a few interesting points. How about one more- at 15, who is more emotionally or intellectually mature? Seems to me that girls tend to mature a little faster than boys. I could be wrong.

But any adult who has sex with any child, regardless of gender, knows he or she is breaking a law. That right there says it all.
Vox pop

Cobleskill, NY

#11 Jun 14, 2009
i don't disagree that it should be against the law. it should be. and if she is did what she is accused of, than this female should be punished. Question is whether she should be punished to the same degree a male should be punished?

i just think the law should allow the judge to take into account the specific facts and circumstances relative to consent, age and gender. obviously any adult who has sex with a 15 y.o. is wrong. but where you have a male "victim" who consents to a adult female - i view that as substantially different than a female victim who doesn't consent. perhaps my view is patriarchal but i see substantially more potential harm to a female than to a male. for example - pregnancy, physical harm, emotional harm, and hiv transmission are more likely to occur male to female than female to male. since the risks are greater - the potential punishment should correspondingly be greater. also if the accused is 17 and the victim is 15 - that to me is a far different situation than perpetrator in their 20's/30's etc.

Since: Aug 08

Gansevoort, NY

#12 Jun 14, 2009
Vox pop wrote:
i don't disagree that it should be against the law. it should be. and if she is did what she is accused of, than this female should be punished. Question is whether she should be punished to the same degree a male should be punished?
i just think the law should allow the judge to take into account the specific facts and circumstances relative to consent, age and gender. obviously any adult who has sex with a 15 y.o. is wrong. but where you have a male "victim" who consents to a adult female - i view that as substantially different than a female victim who doesn't consent. perhaps my view is patriarchal but i see substantially more potential harm to a female than to a male. for example - pregnancy, physical harm, emotional harm, and hiv transmission are more likely to occur male to female than female to male. since the risks are greater - the potential punishment should correspondingly be greater. also if the accused is 17 and the victim is 15 - that to me is a far different situation than perpetrator in their 20's/30's etc.
If an adult - of either gender - has sex with an underage person - of either gender -IT'S RAPE!

No amount of glorification or sensationalism will change that.
Bull

Albany, NY

#13 Jun 14, 2009
At the age of 15 a boy knows right from wrong when it comes to saying yes or no for sex this teacher did nothing wrong that deserves long term prison time,btw im a male if that makes it any different..

I also think a 15 year old girl is alot different then a 15 year old boy when it comes to consented sex
sox fan

Haydenville, MA

#14 Jun 15, 2009
Very difficult c all! In many relationships, a 9 year difference makes no difference. Let's say a 49 year old woman dating a 40 year old man, nothing odd about that. BUT, and a BIG but.........where is the line? 15 & 24, 18 & 27? When is a child no longer a child? 15, 18, 21? Don't get me wrong.. I in no way condone this! But it is strange, what if was 13 or 19, when do you know a male becomes a man?(P.S.- I have a 13 year old who is not even close to this situation)
double standard

Ellington, CT

#15 Jun 15, 2009
Bull wrote:
I also think a 15 year old girl is alot different then a 15 year old boy when it comes to consented sex
Why?

Since: Aug 08

Gansevoort, NY

#16 Jun 15, 2009
sox fan wrote:
Very difficult c all! In many relationships, a 9 year difference makes no difference. Let's say a 49 year old woman dating a 40 year old man, nothing odd about that. BUT, and a BIG but.........where is the line? 15 & 24, 18 & 27? When is a child no longer a child? 15, 18, 21? Don't get me wrong.. I in no way condone this! But it is strange, what if was 13 or 19, when do you know a male becomes a man?(P.S.- I have a 13 year old who is not even close to this situation)
When both people are above the age of consent -it 'doesn't matter'. But when one is a minor -It really does make a difference. Regardless of which gender was the older one, if an adult has sex with a minor...it is rape. It doesn't matter whether or not the minor is a male or female as neither is legally above the age of consent. And, to think that, as a male, sex wouldn't be as harmful is simply a gender bias. I wouldn't want my teen son engaged in a sexual relationship with a t4eacher any more than my teen daughter.

People speak of this situation as if it's a honor for boys to be sexually active at this age, as if only the teen girl would be a 'victim' in such a relationship. What about all those girls pushing carriages around who you refer to as 'tramps'-most likely their 'baby daddy's' are older than them.
tobefrank

South Hadley, MA

#17 Jun 19, 2009
What'sup with these woman teachers lately???They like robbing the cradle when they are kids themselves.Can't they give them a morality test or something. Do they have morals in Holyoke????

Since: Mar 09

Northampton, MA

#18 Jun 20, 2009
I agree, male or female, do the crime, do the time!

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