9-year-old West Michigan boy killed w...

9-year-old West Michigan boy killed when ATV rolls over him

There are 30 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from Nov 24, 2007, titled 9-year-old West Michigan boy killed when ATV rolls over him. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

LUDINGTON, Mich. - Police say a 9-year-old West Michigan boy was killed when the all-terrain vehicle he was driving rolled on top of him after a crash.

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hothead redhead

United States

#1 Nov 24, 2007
My heartfelt sympathies to this young man's family. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Beth

Traverse City, MI

#2 Nov 24, 2007
Is it even legal for a 9 year old to be driving an ATV?!?!? At any rate, my thoughts are with the family.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#3 Nov 24, 2007
Beth wrote:
Is it even legal for a 9 year old to be driving an ATV?!?!? At any rate, my thoughts are with the family.
they make atv's for children younger than 9.
They even make them automatic now so it is easier for them to drive.
they dont have to shift

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#4 Nov 24, 2007
Prayers going out for the family and friends of this child.
May god be with you!
Beth

Traverse City, MI

#5 Nov 24, 2007
Wow, that is scary. I didn't know they made them for kids that young. :-(
rose25672000

Perrysburg, OH

#6 Nov 24, 2007
i am very sorry for your loss i hope that things get better through your time of need

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#7 Nov 25, 2007
Beth wrote:
Wow, that is scary. I didn't know they made them for kids that young.:-(
YES,
What is scary, in my opinion is when parents buy them without any training for the children..and set them free to ride.
did you know you can mess witht eh govener(sp) to make them go faster than what the manufacture has it set for.
My brothers use to do that on our 3 wheelers.
that is one of the reasons why I got in one of my MANY accidents...
I started rideing at a very young age, my daughters have learned to ride, but I want them to have more experience before they get one of thier own.
what about the new mini motor cycles they sell for children, do you know how fast they go?
it is very scary..and that is not a ATV, they can ride that on teh streets with no helmet.

I see it all the time around here!
9 year olds on the city streets.
NOW, that is scary!:(
LOL, My daughte said, I will be 14 I can have one cant I ???
UM NO, it dose at least 50 mph!
(well, thats the new scooters, not the mini motorcycles)
MI Laws for ORV

Brookfield, WI

#9 Nov 25, 2007
No one under the age of 10 may operate any 4-wheeled ATV except on private land while performing farm-related work operations.

That being said we are seeing kids riding them younger and younger. Our son wants to as well since his friends are riding them.

Very tragic.
Batch 37 Pain is Good

United States

#10 Nov 25, 2007
OK, I want to bring to light a couple of things. Quads are dangerous when used by inexperienced riders. They do make quads that are for young kids that are 90cc and are smaller that the farm sized quads. From what I gathered from this story, this was a full size quad which weighs over 300lbs. The 90cc size would not crush this kid as this Kawasaki did. Kids should not ride these 4 wheel drive quads as once you lose control you are likely to get wrapped up with the machine.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#11 Nov 25, 2007
MI Laws for ORV wrote:
No one under the age of 10 may operate any 4-wheeled ATV except on private land while performing farm-related work operations.
That being said we are seeing kids riding them younger and younger. Our son wants to as well since his friends are riding them.
Very tragic.
HENCE, I grew up in Evansville Indiana.
Michigan law's do not apply.

Also, I did go down to buy my daughter a 80 Dirt bike.(changed my mind)as you said(all their friends have them, and the new scooters)
This law is not told, nor is it enforced!
I did not pay attention to where you are from , but as I stated around here you see them younger and younger riding without helments on city s
the point is, they sell motor recreation for children under the age of 10.

GO to any dealership and see the ones that only sit about a foot high that do 30 miles per hour.
what 10 year old can fot those?
NO HELMENT LAW FOR THESE.
I know that is different than the atv's you are taliking about. Do you know the age limit of snowmobiles or Ski Doo's?
I just thought about go carts, what is Michigan law on the ages of these?
If you don't mind.....

NOW, Last question..
why is it o.k for a child to ride these to WORK!
on private property.
wouldnt that go against child labor law's?

you have to be 15 to get a work permit, so that should knock that one right out.(just a thought)

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#12 Nov 25, 2007
Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote:
OK, I want to bring to light a couple of things. Quads are dangerous when used by inexperienced riders. They do make quads that are for young kids that are 90cc and are smaller that the farm sized quads. From what I gathered from this story, this was a full size quad which weighs over 300lbs. The 90cc size would not crush this kid as this Kawasaki did. Kids should not ride these 4 wheel drive quads as once you lose control you are likely to get wrapped up with the machine.
are you saying this boy was riding a 250?
There is no way I can handle that myself....
shhhhh, on the "woman part"
Those are very big and very heavy, we use that one to pull out our others that get hung up in the mud....
exactly, no child expierence of not should be riding these.

Since: Oct 07

out in the sticks

#13 Nov 25, 2007
Oh how sad...and scary. My children ride 4 wheelers on our own property, as well as the neighborhood kids. Usually, we are riding with them or have them within our sight across the field. But accidents can happen to anybody.

I know alot of the dealerships offer a safety course, I believe free of charge, when you buy a new quad. Too bad they couldn't throw in the safety gear with it.

So sorry to this family. You will be in my prayers.
MI ORV laws

Brookfield, WI

#14 Nov 25, 2007
Yeah, I've researched this several times as the neighbors kids are all riding these things VERY fast and of course, we have to keep telling our son -- no :) No one likes to be the "no fun" mom but man, those things can really move! Our neighbors are 8 and 6 and ride around their yard with their 5 year old sibling holding on for dear life... not a parent in sight.
I know it's not a law that is enforced -- how could it be, really? But the fact that it exists has been helpful backup for me!
Oh Yeah --- an ATV -- that includes anything from a 50cc to a 500 cc engine!!! Those little ones too!
http://www.atvsafety.gov/legislation/Michigan...
No one under the age of 10 may operate any 4-wheeled ATV except on private land while performing farm-related work operations.
Children who are 10 and 11 years old may operate 4‑wheeled ATVs only when all of the following conditions are met.
ATV is being operated on land owned by the child’s parent or guardian and …
Operator is under visual supervision (see definition below) of an adult and …
Operator possesses a valid ORV safety certificate.
Children who are 12–15 years old may operate 4-wheeled ATVs only when both of the following conditions are met.
Operator is under visual supervision of an adult and …
Operator possesses a valid ORV safety certificate.
Visual Supervision: having direct observation with the unaided eye and the ability to come to the immediate aid of a youthful ORV operator
Operation of Other ORVs
Children under 16 may operate other ORVs (trail bikes, for example) only when both of the following conditions are met.
Operator is under visual supervision of an adult and …
Operator possesses a valid ORV safety certificate.
Restrictions on Crossing Roads
No child under the age of 12 may cross any street, highway, or county road while operating any ORV.
Children who are 12-15 years old may cross streets and roads (only at right angles) if they are under the visual supervision of an adult and have a valid ORV safety certificate.
Remember ... The parents or legal guardians of a child under the age of 16 are legally responsible if they permit the child under their care to violate any of the ORV laws. The owner (or person in control) of an ORV is also responsible if his or her ORV is operated by a youngster.

Since: Oct 07

out in the sticks

#15 Nov 25, 2007
Thank you for that bit of info. I wasn't aware of the legalities, and I've been riding them for years!
Brains

Big Rapids, MI

#16 Nov 25, 2007
Here we Go,LAW-SUIT!even though it states you must be 16 years old. There are Warning stickers on the larger machines.Unresponsible Parents is what this is about! The parents should be in Some kind of trouble.My Daughter is 7 years old and has a 2005 Honda 50 She is only allowed to ride it when I watch her. She is a very Safe Rider because of that.
baby girl

AOL

#17 Nov 25, 2007
My thoughts and prayers are with the family in their time of grief. Things like this can happen in a second and it could be the most experienced driver with all of the proper training and legal permits. May God just reach out to help the family heal.

“Yup, I'm trouble with dimples”

Since: Oct 07

Grant, MI

#18 Nov 25, 2007
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
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HENCE, I grew up in Evansville Indiana.
Michigan law's do not apply.
Also, I did go down to buy my daughter a 80 Dirt bike.(changed my mind)as you said(all their friends have them, and the new scooters)
This law is not told, nor is it enforced!
I did not pay attention to where you are from , but as I stated around here you see them younger and younger riding without helments on city s
the point is, they sell motor recreation for children under the age of 10.
GO to any dealership and see the ones that only sit about a foot high that do 30 miles per hour.
what 10 year old can fot those?
NO HELMENT LAW FOR THESE.
I know that is different than the atv's you are taliking about. Do you know the age limit of snowmobiles or Ski Doo's?
I just thought about go carts, what is Michigan law on the ages of these?
If you don't mind.....
NOW, Last question..
why is it o.k for a child to ride these to WORK!
on private property.
wouldnt that go against child labor law's?
you have to be 15 to get a work permit, so that should knock that one right out.(just a thought)
children who's parents own/operate farms and orchards do not fall into the child labor laws or age limitations. I've seen 10year olds driving the tractors from one field to the next to help out with moving the equipment, plowing, and bailing. that's life on the farm. nothing new. and most of those mini motorcycles are actually meant for 18 and up. ya, I know they are small but the ones Auto Zone used to sell said "for users 18 years and older" right on the top of the tank.
My heart goes out to this family.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#19 Nov 26, 2007
kelly from Grant wrote:
<quoted text>
children who's parents own/operate farms and orchards do not fall into the child labor laws or age limitations. I've seen 10year olds driving the tractors from one field to the next to help out with moving the equipment, plowing, and bailing. that's life on the farm. nothing new. and most of those mini motorcycles are actually meant for 18 and up. ya, I know they are small but the ones Auto Zone used to sell said "for users 18 years and older" right on the top of the tank.
My heart goes out to this family.
seriously, I pretty much figured that out..
I was simply stateing that you cant say that a child can use it for work but nothing more.
I have children that must do yard work as well.
I do not own a large amount of property, actually 1 lot.
Auto zone may in fact do this, but there are other inner city stores that DO NOT!
have you heard of a store called Bonnie D's, it is furniture store, they sell them.
Used car lot's sell them, they dont go over all that,as I said I myself went to go buy one.

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#20 Nov 26, 2007
MI ORV laws,

You are great!
My children will not think so(big smile), but I do!
This info is really good to know, I did not know where to find it at.

I have been looking all over to find out about ski doo's and these scooters.
I did buy my daughter the small electric one a few years back.
I know that in southren indiana, laws are different, we had land, Father set up a track, we had a lot of fun.
A lot of accidents as well.
It comes with it.

I did not know that some places offered the tranning classes, thank you to whoever posted that.

I have so far thaught them myself.
now that I know the ages and I can show them on black and white, I wont be the "bad one".
AGAIN, thank you so much for taking the time to anwser that for me and others that are intrested.
Have a wonderful day...

“Congrats to all Graduating”

Since: Aug 07

Muskegon, MI

#21 Nov 26, 2007
Bri Bri 73 wrote:
<quoted text>
seriously, I pretty much figured that out..
I was simply stateing that you cant say that a child can use it for work but nothing more.
I have children that must do yard work as well.
I do not own a large amount of property, actually 1 lot.
Auto zone may in fact do this, but there are other inner city stores that DO NOT!
have you heard of a store called Bonnie D's, it is furniture store, they sell them.
Used car lot's sell them, they dont go over all that,as I said I myself went to go buy one.
KELLY!
EEK, that sounded rude, I did not mean it that way.

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