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Religeous Curiosity

Virginia Beach, VA

#1 Feb 12, 2014
I have read in the Bible that God created the Heavens and Earth, as well as everything in the Universe.

My question is this; What was God doing before He created everything?

Since: Jun 12

Lucedale

#2 Feb 12, 2014
Time is relative even through perception of what has "past" so taking that as an example think of God as forever in the present having no past before creation thus "the beginning" was when was when God created the Universe, the Earth, and time.

The mind is meant to struggle with this time is an odd perception in which it is truly relative to each thing or situation. When moving you are experiencing time travel in comparison to something standing still. If you play the slots 1000 times your chances of winning never change. We have certain programming that forces us to use singular objects to compare to other objects which allows us processes that are used to comfort us. With time there is only time.

God existed before creation without the past, present, or future...simply existed. Well I hope that helps. I'm no theologian but that is my understanding.
Religeous Curiosity

Virginia Beach, VA

#3 Feb 12, 2014
Thank you for your reply and explanation. However I am afraid I am even more confused now.

You said God existed before creation. That is my biggest hang-up...if he existed before creation why did he exist? If there was nothing, what was God doing?

I know this sounds like a 3rd grader asking silly questions, but I am having a difficult time with this idea.

Since: Jun 12

Lucedale

#4 Feb 12, 2014
Religeous Curiosity wrote:
Thank you for your reply and explanation. However I am afraid I am even more confused now.
You said God existed before creation. That is my biggest hang-up...if he existed before creation why did he exist? If there was nothing, what was God doing?
I know this sounds like a 3rd grader asking silly questions, but I am having a difficult time with this idea.
No problem, but I think you misinterpreted what I said or I didn't pass it on clearly.

"God existed before creation without the past, present, or future...simply existed"

-This statement was intended to be a reiteration of this statement-

"think of God as forever in the present having no past before creation thus "the beginning" was when God created the Universe, the Earth, and time."

The past ends at the beginning. There can be nothing before the beginning or it wouldn't be the beginning, if we went to the end and started we wouldn't be ending. Anyway I asked the same questions, Ken Hamm has an interesting piece about it you can read here:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v...
Religeous Curiosity

Virginia Beach, VA

#5 Feb 13, 2014
That was a good read by Mr. Ken Hamm. But it also leads to more unanswered questions.

If the Bible says Creation is 6 thousand years old (8 thousand if you add the 2 thousand years since the Bible was written) then explain the Dinasour bones and other fossils and rocks here on Earth that have been dated to Billions of years.

Also my understanding of the Bible and all other religious books is that they are just that, history books written by man years after the event actualy took place. I mean Adam and Eve did not take notes, and the Cavemen did not seem very literate, so all of the stories in the Bible are just stories. This leads to interpritation of word of mouth from tales pased down from generation to generation until someone wrote a story book about these tales.

Also I am thinking after reading this article that God did not exsist before Creation, God was created when creation happened. Plus why would the Bible say “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” We now know there are now or at one time seas on other planets, so the term sea leads one to believe there is only one sea.

Thank you again for your help!
Religeous Curiosity

Virginia Beach, VA

#6 Feb 13, 2014
I started reading more of Ken Hamm's articles and forund this;

Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying,“Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”(Genesis 2:15–17)

I don't know why God would give Adam free will and freedom to do as he wanted, then tell him to avoid a tree that was full of knowledge between good and evil and expect Adam not to want to gain the knowledge of what was right and wrong.

Since: Jun 12

Lucedale

#7 Feb 13, 2014
Religeous Curiosity wrote:
I don't know why God would give Adam free will and freedom to do as he wanted, then tell him to avoid a tree that was full of knowledge between good and evil and expect Adam not to want to gain the knowledge of what was right and wrong.
Well before he ate the apple I don't think there was right and wrong. Before they ate the apple there was no wrong from my understanding.

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#8 Feb 13, 2014
It was a test to see if they trusted and loved God enough to obey Him. To protect them, God demanded strict obedience.
Religeous Curiosity

Virginia Beach, VA

#9 Feb 13, 2014
What about the difference in time? The Bible says the Earth and Universe were created 6-8 thousand years ago, but there have been fossils and rocks found that date back millions of years. How is that possible. Or is there a time travel explanation like you were saying earlier that fills the gap?

And why would a God that loves you let you suffer with a birth defect or die a painful death like in a fire? Especialy someone who lived their life for this God and did all the right things?

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#10 Feb 13, 2014
The tests were flawed. They tested a live mollusk and it was declared 400 years old, yet still alive.

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#11 Feb 13, 2014
Dr. Kent Hovind, in his video "The Age of the Earth," offers many surprising facts demonstrating that the world cannot possibly be this old.

Among them is a photo of stalactities, some 50 inches in length, that have been formed by dripping water under the Lincoln Memorial, built in 1922. These stalactites have grown nearly 2/3 inch per year! So much for the "thousand years per inch" idea.

Hovind also shows a photo of a bat covered by flowstone in a cave before he could rot. Imagine how long this bat would have had to lie here dead, without rotting, for this flowstone to cover him as it has! Obviously, these mineral deposits occur much more rapidly than we are led to believe.

If in fact God created the world 6,000 years ago, and then destroyed it by a flood 4,400 years ago, we should expect to find many of the oldest things in the world to be somewhat less than 4,400 years old.

Hovind, in his seminar, offers many examples, including:
• The Great Barrier Reef, the oldest and largest reef in the world, has been determined to be 4,200 years old.
• The world's oldest tree is 4,300 years old.
• Minerals being washed into the ocean by erosion would bring the salt content of the ocean to its present level in less than 5,000 years!

For more fascinating information about how Creation is the only way to explain the scientific facts, see Dr. Kent Hovind's fascinating Creation Seminar series, available at DrDino.com . His presentation of the facts is both entertaining and compelling.

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#12 Feb 13, 2014
The Carbon 14 radiometric dating method is not accurate.

i.It assumes the C 14 is in equilibrium. This assumption has been proven wrong and the C 14 in the atmosphere is still increasing.

ii.It assumes the decay rate remains constant. Again, this has been shown to be uncertain many times.

iii.It assumes the initial amounts of C 14 can be known. Again this has been proven wrong time and again. Different parts of the same sample often yield different ratios. Various living samples give very different ratios. Living penguins have been carbon-dated at 8000 years old!

iv.If the C 14 date supports our theories, we put it in the main text. If it does not entirely contradict them, we put it in a footnote. And if it completely "out of date," we just drop it.- T. Save-Soderbergh and I. U. Olsson, Institute of Egyptology and Institute of Physics respectively, Sweden.
Religeous Curiosity

Virginia Beach, VA

#13 Feb 14, 2014
Bottom line though, God did not exist before creation. If that is true, then God could not have been the creator, because he wasa not around to create anything. Can't have it both ways.

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#14 Feb 15, 2014
Actually you can. Nothing is impossible with God. He always was being. He created the angels, heaven and the earth before He created man.

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#15 Feb 15, 2014
God is one, eternally existing in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who are infinite in glory, wisdom, holiness, justice, power and love.

Jesus Christ is true man and God, who in His incarnation was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin, Mary. In His earthly ministry He lived a sinless life, performed miracles, and died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins according to the Scriptures. By the power of God, He was raised from the dead in the same body now glorified. He ascended into Heaven where, at the right hand of God, He continually makes intercession for us.

The Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father and the Son; regenerates the believing sinner; indwells, guides, instructs and empowers the believer for Godly living and service; comforts the children of God. The Holy Spirit guides and gives power to the church, the body of Christ, to fulfill the Great Commission, and convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment.

Man was created in the image and likeness of God; but through the sin of Adam, man fell into sin and is, therefore, lost apart from Christ. Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Religeous Curiosity

Virginia Beach, VA

#16 Feb 15, 2014
But all of this is relying on stories told through generation after generation until someone put it all together in a book they called the Bible. The people who started reading the Bible believed the story and religion took off.

Have you ever tried the experiment where you whisper something in someone’s ear and then have them pass the info around a room of people? When the story gets back to you it has changed dramatically and the true meaning has been altered or lost completely. I think that is what we are dealing with in the Bible, just stories and rumors that were condensed into a book.

You said: "He always was being. He created the angels, heaven and the earth before He created man. "

So again, what was he doing before he created the heavens, Earth and Angels?

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#17 Feb 15, 2014
Why do you need to know? what benefit would it be? He who created the seasons existed before. You have to be in order to create that which is.
Religeous Curiosity

Virginia Beach, VA

#18 Feb 15, 2014
Why do I need to know? What benifit is it?

What business is it of yours?

Who are YOU to question what I want to know?

If you don't know the answer to my question then just keep your mouth shut! No need for you to question me.

I am dealing with this very dificult idea and all you care to do is question why I need to know? Because knowing how and why God created EVERYTHING is the basic understanding of my life and purpose of being here on this Earth!

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#19 Feb 15, 2014
The Bible provides limited information regarding what God did before the creation of the universe. One thing is clear: God existed in perfect community as Father, Son, and Spirit from eternity past.

The Bible begins with the words, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1). Clearly, God the Father existed long before the universe's creation, holding the power and wisdom to create and design all things.

The Holy Spirit also existed from eternity past. Genesis 1:2 is the first mention of the Spirit: "the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." As God, the Holy Spirit is clearly eternal, existing from before the time of the universe's creation as well as from eternity past.

Jesus Christ also existed from eternity past as the second Person of the Triune God. John 1:1-3 teaches, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." Colossians 1:16-17 affirms, "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

However, the Bible does offer some insights regarding God's activities before the creation of the universe. In John 17:24 Jesus said, "Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world." Love existed before creation between God the Father and God the Son. They existed along with the Holy Spirit in perfect glory and unity.

While little is known about God's work before creation, it is clear God was active, all-knowing, and perfect in community, love, and glory as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

George County, MS. USA

#20 Feb 15, 2014
The Bible tells us that God created everything, including humanity, because it pleased Him to create for His glory (Romans 11:36; Revelation 4:11). This means that it gave God pleasure and it brought Him glory to create man and woman. By doing so, He demonstrated His creative genius in making not only the universe, but its highest personal being, man (Genesis 1:26-28). Later, God reinforced this powerful truth through the prophet Isaiah, who said for Him, "bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth, everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made" (Isaiah 43:6-7). A New Testament statement affirms the same thing: "all things were created through him and for him" (Colossians 1:16).

God also wanted man to help Him care for the beautiful world that He had created as the place for these special people to live. "And God said to them,'Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over [watch over, or care for] the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.'" (Genesis 1:28) "The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it" (Genesis 2:15).

Part of God's image of goodness and love that He put into man's heart gives us the senses by which to know God (Psalm 139:14). He gave us abilities with which to serve Him. God enjoyed creating a race of beings who are enough like Him that we have the capacities to give Him the pleasure of our company while we enjoy the pleasure of His company. He gave us the capacity to love Him and to worship Him. Jesus encouraged His disciples with this same truth when He said, "No longer do I call you servants … but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you" (John 15:15).

When God made the universe, He did what pleased Himself, and since God is perfect in His goodness, His love, His righteousness, and His wisdom, we may be certain that God enjoyed creating mankind without flaw in all these ways. So, when He finished creating the cosmos, the world, and man, God could honestly say, "It [is] very good" (Genesis 1:31).

God did not create people as equals with Himself. He is still Creator, and we are creatures who utterly depend on Him for everything. "In Him we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:28). "And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together" (Colossians 1:17). It always will be true that "the LORD is God; there is no other besides him" (Deuteronomy 4:35).

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