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Hattiesburg, MS

#1 May 15, 2013
Reading the article in the county paper about lowering the grading standard but raising the level of teaching because we have old people in the 8th grade. OK, we are going to make school harder but give them a lower grading scale - does this make any sense. It does not make sense to me or anyone else that has read this so far that I have talked to. If we have the ability to teach at a higher level, why aren't we already doing it. I believe that a 16 plus year old person in 8th grade should be the limit. Put this young person in a special GED class and get them out of the system. It is no wonder we have problems at the middle school with this age range of people. I never knew high school was a 5 year program either. In my opinion, to lower the grading level will just be a dumbing of Miss - we do need to get these folks out of the school system but they will never graduate under normal circumstances. Pretty soon we will say just show up and we will give you an "A". I am glad our school board postponed the vote on this and I hope that each one will think about it. Lowering one end and raising the other will not level something out.

Since: Aug 11

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#2 May 15, 2013
LOl I agree, It seems if you cook it right down to the gravy, we seem to be being asked to borrow seven million dollars to help give the kids in school a better education, but we are going to lower the grades so we can make it look like more children are passing. If I'm a college recruiter, I am going to want to know percentages not letter grades. Knowing some MS schools are lowering their grade levels, I would as a college think that I had to look very close at a student, especially if I was looking for academic students, If I was looking for passing athletes, MS might be the place to look. Good and bad, just depends which barometer is used to judge our students.

Since: Apr 09

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#3 May 15, 2013
Would this be the reason that my Daughter told me that Freshman will be isolated in a different hall next year? I was just told this today, I will be finding out tommorrow. One of the parts of High School is to prepare students for society, If this is true, how will the students be prepared?

Since: Nov 10

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#4 May 15, 2013
Everyday is a new wonder. I want to see a teacher take a 5 year old child that does not know their ABC's, can't read, can't write and does not know 2+2 and there will be several in kindergarten that fit this mold, and make a second grader out of them. We need to move that teacher to 8th grade and get those older kids on out of school. Where has this teacher been hiding? I think to lower our standards would be a real blow to an already State that stays on the bottom of the list. We are saying to a child, you just can't get it, so we will make it easier. School Board Members, please think long and hard about this before you lower our standards. I think it will cost our graduates an opportunity at the finer colleges.
Ironman

Hattiesburg, MS

#5 May 15, 2013
mentul_autocrat wrote:
Would this be the reason that my Daughter told me that Freshman will be isolated in a different hall next year? I was just told this today, I will be finding out tommorrow. One of the parts of High School is to prepare students for society, If this is true, how will the students be prepared?
There are many, many benefits to having a 9th grade academy as part of a high school. It helps with the transition from middle to high school. Want to know how? Successful implementation of 9th grade academies is all over the Internet. Do some research. I think, after parents learn about it, they will be glad their child will be part of the new 9th grade academy next year.
Mom

Madison, MS

#6 May 15, 2013
I have a daughter in kindergarten from the start of year its been overwhelming! They learn all the things that my other child learned in 2nd for example verbs adjectives nouns prepositions editing sentences using punctuation spelling capital letters then circling noun and underlining verb. Math they have wrote to 1000 subtracted added addition with 3 digits fractions counting by 2' s 5's 10' s. Learned all shapes and colors a very long list of site words and spelling they also learn to read starting 3rd week of school. Its no longer fun like I remember a few years ago. My child has done very well this year and hasn't had under a 96 average all year. I do think we need smaller class sizes and more one on one time with smaller grades.if we had expansion in schools with proper teachers then the sky is the limit these kids are willing to learn!

Since: Nov 10

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#7 May 15, 2013
That sounds real good "Mom" I am convinced that kids have the ability to absorb what ever is thrown their way. Kindergarten certainly was not that way a few years back, they had to take naps and watched cartoons a lots. You probably have an above average child and a family that cares, I wonder if every child left that class being able to read - would be interesting to know. How do these children make it to 8th grade and just get stuck? I cannot see lowering our standards - what do you think of that?
mom

Madison, MS

#8 May 15, 2013
cipsaw wrote:
That sounds real good "Mom" I am convinced that kids have the ability to absorb what ever is thrown their way. Kindergarten certainly was not that way a few years back, they had to take naps and watched cartoons a lots. You probably have an above average child and a family that cares, I wonder if every child left that class being able to read - would be interesting to know. How do these children make it to 8th grade and just get stuck? I cannot see lowering our standards - what do you think of that?
No, I do not believe in lowering grade scale. My children are raised on my grade scale 95-100=a 85-94=b 75-84=c 70-74=d 69 and below=f. You will not bring anything under an 85 in my house, and not be in trouble. I spend a lot of time on school work with them. I want every possibility possible for them to be successful. This year we stopped naps at thanksgiving! I put all effort in education, because these children are our future.

Since: Nov 10

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#9 May 15, 2013
mom wrote:
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No, I do not believe in lowering grade scale. My children are raised on my grade scale 95-100=a 85-94=b 75-84=c 70-74=d 69 and below=f. You will not bring anything under an 85 in my house, and not be in trouble. I spend a lot of time on school work with them. I want every possibility possible for them to be successful. This year we stopped naps at thanksgiving! I put all effort in education, because these children are our future.
I think we should accept no less than what kids are capable of. We expected "A's" and a B was not a good thing. School is serious business to me and I can't understand why we keep changing the game plan. The three R's are still what we need the most. So good to talk with someone involved, my kids are grown but they turned out very well because we cared. Best of luck and it will all pay off for you.
Fed up

Petal, MS

#10 May 15, 2013
This sure makes me glad that I am not a kindergarten teacher! They are going to keep on until they find themselves out of teachers when the ones who are there decide that they have had enough. My child is also learning things that I learned in the next 2 grades. No wonder it seems that behavioral issues are on the rise. Kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore.

Since: Nov 10

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#11 May 15, 2013
Fed up wrote:
This sure makes me glad that I am not a kindergarten teacher! They are going to keep on until they find themselves out of teachers when the ones who are there decide that they have had enough. My child is also learning things that I learned in the next 2 grades. No wonder it seems that behavioral issues are on the rise. Kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore.
I did not think kindergarten was mandatory, if it isn't what will a child going into first grade do.

Since: Nov 10

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#12 May 15, 2013
I just looked it up, it is not mandatory, law makers are trying to get it passed because of Common Core. Talking about being behind - I just would not want to teach first grade.

Since: Apr 09

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#13 May 16, 2013
Ironman wrote:
<quoted text>There are many, many benefits to having a 9th grade academy as part of a high school. It helps with the transition from middle to high school. Want to know how? Successful implementation of 9th grade academies is all over the Internet. Do some research. I think, after parents learn about it, they will be glad their child will be part of the new 9th grade academy next year.
I will research this but I just don't remember too many problems when I was a freshman, It was all part of growing up, The fact that we got to integrate with the upper classmen was an excitement in itself. As a matter of fact, Some upper classmen even helped us freshmen learn the etiquette of high school, Giving many students a less chance of being swirleyed or canned, lol. I will research as you suggested and let you know what I found out. I personally think having 6th grade in Middle School is not good, I don't understand why it isn't 1st through 5'th, elementary, 6th through 8'th middle school and 9'th through 12th High school. Maybe to make room?
future teacher

Petal, MS

#14 May 19, 2013
I think by lowering the scale is like saying we can't get them to pass so lets do this instead of hiring teachers that care and are more interested in helping the children than just getting them out of their class. I am currently tutoring a child in algebra that has failed this course before and the current teacher isn't helping matters. I think if a student doesn't understand it one way to try and get through to that student a different way if possible instead of passing them to another teacher. I think our school system needs more teachers who are passionate about helping students not just letting them just get by. I'm not saying all teachers don't care or don't know what they are doing but their are some that don't have the calling!
Fed up

Petal, MS

#15 May 19, 2013
future teacher wrote:
I think by lowering the scale is like saying we can't get them to pass so lets do this instead of hiring teachers that care and are more interested in helping the children than just getting them out of their class. I am currently tutoring a child in algebra that has failed this course before and the current teacher isn't helping matters. I think if a student doesn't understand it one way to try and get through to that student a different way if possible instead of passing them to another teacher. I think our school system needs more teachers who are passionate about helping students not just letting them just get by. I'm not saying all teachers don't care or don't know what they are doing but their are some that don't have the calling!
I agree with you, but I will point out one thing. Teachers created this kind of mess when they created tenure. You get a tenured teacher who doesn't care, and you can't replace them with a new one who does. You may want to think about that and how things could be changed when you become a teacher, especially if you are ever placed in a area of management.
future teacher

Petal, MS

#16 May 20, 2013
Fed up wrote:
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I agree with you, but I will point out one thing. Teachers created this kind of mess when they created tenure. You get a tenured teacher who doesn't care, and you can't replace them with a new one who does. You may want to think about that and how things could be changed when you become a teacher, especially if you are ever placed in a area of management.
True.. I think they should do away with tenure. Or have a trial basis for 3 years or so before it takes effect.

Since: Nov 10

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#17 May 20, 2013
future teacher wrote:
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True.. I think they should do away with tenure. Or have a trial basis for 3 years or so before it takes effect.
I don't think anyone should have a guarantee on their job - a contract one year at a time. That is not done in any other industry that I know of.

Since: Aug 11

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#18 May 20, 2013
cipsaw wrote:
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I don't think anyone should have a guarantee on their job - a contract one year at a time. That is not done in any other industry that I know of.
Definition by Wikipedia : Teacher tenure is a policy that restricts the ability to fire teachers, requiring a "just cause" rationale for firing.[1] The individual states each have established their own tenure systems.[2] Tenure applies only to teachers who are employed by public schools.[3] Teachers in private schools are not granted tenure protections. Because private schools are not funded by the state, they are not subject to state laws and policies.Tenure provides teachers with protections. It is difficult to fire teachers who earn tenure. Elimination of teacher tenure would mean teachers could be fired without just cause. There is an ongoing debate about how the tenure system should work and whether or not there should be a teacher tenure system in effect. Many states are focusing on tenure reform. Reforming tenure would mean there would still be a tenure system in place. However, revisions would be made so that the tenure system no longer functions the same way as the existing tenure system functions. I hope they do away with the present tenure system all together, it is obvious why PRIVATE SCHOOLS function at a hihger level.
Maroon09

Ridgeland, MS

#19 May 20, 2013
mentul_autocrat wrote:
<quoted text> I will research this but I just don't remember too many problems when I was a freshman, It was all part of growing up, The fact that we got to integrate with the upper classmen was an excitement in itself. As a matter of fact, Some upper classmen even helped us freshmen learn the etiquette of high school, Giving many students a less chance of being swirleyed or canned, lol. I will research as you suggested and let you know what I found out. I personally think having 6th grade in Middle School is not good, I don't understand why it isn't 1st through 5'th, elementary, 6th through 8'th middle school and 9'th through 12th High school. Maybe to make room?
Confused about how you feel about 6th grade? The reason 6th grade is at the elem. is because that was Dr. Massey's platform when she ran and won. Everyone voted for her because they were scared to have their child at the middle school. That was the worst thing that could have happened to our schools, now the middle has only two years to get the students academically and mentally ready for the high school, but that is what our county wanted and now it is coming back to haunt us.

Since: Nov 10

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#20 May 20, 2013
Maroon09 wrote:
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Confused about how you feel about 6th grade? The reason 6th grade is at the elem. is because that was Dr. Massey's platform when she ran and won. Everyone voted for her because they were scared to have their child at the middle school. That was the worst thing that could have happened to our schools, now the middle has only two years to get the students academically and mentally ready for the high school, but that is what our county wanted and now it is coming back to haunt us.
Why can't any school teach 6th grade? Several years ago the kids went to elementary school until 8th grade. I don't think it is safe to put a 6th grade child in with a 17 year old. How 6th grade is taught should not matter - are the teachers better at the middle school? You might notice that DR in front of Mrs. Massey's name - this says she went to the top of her field which says a lots for her.

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