Separation

Lucedale, MS

#1 Jul 5, 2013
The national motto "In God We Trust" is horrifying and it perpetuates the idea that religion is in any way associated with our government. George Washington would be ashamed.

Upon its establishment, the government embodied the Enlightenment idea of separation of church and state. Somehow, Senate managed to ignore this and basic political rights during the Cold War era: In 1956, they passed legislation that codified "In God We Trust" as the official national motto as part of their containment policy during the Cold War - i.e., the containment of the spread of communism.

WE ARE NOT A THEOCRACY, the Cold War ended, and this should never have become our national motto.

I petition the government to change our national motto to "E pluribus unum," for in god we should not have to trust.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cha...

“John 3:16”

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#2 Jul 5, 2013
http://www.tgm.org/mythofseparation.html
Our U.S. Constitution was founded on Biblical principles and it was the intention of the authors for this to be a Christian nation.

The Constitution had 55 people work upon it, of which 52 were evangelical Christians.(3) We can go back in history and look at what the founding fathers wrote to know where they were getting their ideas. This is exactly what two professors did. Donald Lutz and Charles Hyneman reviewed an estimated 15,000 items with explicit political content printed between 1760 and 1805 and from these items they identified 3,154 references to other sources. The source they most often quoted was the Bible, accounting for 34% of all citations. Sixty percent of all quotes came from men who used the Bible to form their conclusions. That means that 94% of all quotes by the founding fathers were based on the Bible. The founding fathers took ideas from the Bible and incorporated them into our government.
If it was their intention to separate the state and church they would never have taken principles from the Bible and put them into our government.

An example of an idea taken from the Bible and then incorporated into our government is found in Isaiah 33:22 which says, "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king..." The founding fathers took this scripture and made three major branches in our government: judicial, legislative, and executive. As mentioned earlier, the founding fathers strongly believed that Man was by nature corrupt and therefore it was necessary to separate the powers of the government.

For instance, the President has the power to execute laws but not make them, and Congress has the power to make laws but not to judge the people. The simple principle of checks and balances came from the Bible to protect people from tyranny. The President of the United States is free to influence Congress, although he can not exercise authority over it because they are separated. Since this is true, why should the church not be allowed to influence the state?

People have read too much into the phrase "separation of church and state", which is to be a separation of civil authority from ecclesiastical authority, not moral values. Congress has passed laws that it is illegal to murder and steal, which is the legislation of morality. These standards of morality are found in the Bible. Should we remove them from law because the church should be separated from the state?

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”
― George Washington

“Make sure you are doing what God wants you to do--then do it with all your strength.”
― George Washington
Separation

Lucedale, MS

#3 Jul 6, 2013
1956 kid

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

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#4 Jul 6, 2013
Everybody who has a high school education in the USA knows there is no such thing as “separation of church and state,“ There never has been, but we let them get away with these lies to make them happy.
In a recent post on the Americans United for Separation of Church and State’s website, Charles C. Haynes, a scholar in First Amendment issues, was quoted as saying “that the actual words ‘separation of church and state’ aren’t in the Constitution. But…the principle of separation clearly is.”
The post then tries to pit the Alliance Defense Fund against this view, saying that our own words show that we just don’t get it because we have said that “the ACLU and its allies have twisted history by using the so-called ‘separation of church and state’ as a legal platform to restrict your religious freedom.”
There is no conflict here. The Jeffersonian view of separation is one wherein the First Amendment shackles the government but keeps the Church free, as is clearly seen in Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists; the kind of separation leftist radicals embrace is one wherein the government is often used to silence public display of faith—a concept that the Founders never embraced or fostered. Likewise, the Church is not the entity that should be mounting a national defense or handing out speeding tickets.
This is what ADF means when it says the actual words “separation of church and state are not in the Constitution” and that secularist groups have “twisted history” by using their view of separation “to restrict your religious freedom.”
Nonetheless, we are pleased to see AU admit that the actual words “separation of church and state” aren’t in the Constitution. Yet sadly, it doesn’t appear that this admission has dampened their zeal for opposing things like Texas Governor Rick Perry’s calls to prayer or invocations at graduation ceremonies or the public display of the Ten Commandments.
In fact, AU coupled their announcement that the actual words “separation of church and state” aren’t in the Constitution with news that their latest polling numbers show that 67% of respondents agree that “the First Amendment requires a clear separation of church and state.” The problem is that they never quantify how many of those respondents agree with the Jeffersonian view of separation or the kind of separation leftist radicals embrace

“John 3:16”

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#5 Jul 6, 2013
George Washington was not 1956.

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