Drake Routier - Darlie Routier's son
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Irving, TX

#303 Jan 30, 2012
She did win an appeal to get additional dna tested, that was over 2 years ago and it hasnt been done yet, they are still trying to raise the money I assume.

Yes, there was a another video of the service that was done before the silly string. The defense Atty had it and could have played it. The judge did NOT throw it out. There was ONE juror that said that he didnt see the bruises, but there were plenty of them shown and entered into evidence. Read the trail transcripts.

Since: Jan 12

Buffalo, NY

#304 Jan 31, 2012
No where in my post did I say the Judge threw out the other video...her attorney did not show it..why? I have no idea. Personally, I think her attorney did a lousy job. I did read the trial transcript and have been following the case...not all the photos of her bruises were shown...again..I blame her attorney. The one that ran the entire underside of her arm was not shown. As a person...I dont care for Darlie Routier..but I want to make sure someone is guilty before we stick a needle in them. All I am saying is lets be sure.
Slime

Newark, NJ

#305 Jan 31, 2012
She's living on borrowed time. It is understandable that we can't understand how many reasonable people fail to comprehend the magnitude of her crime. Picture the frightening scene. A monster stabs your CHILDREN to death, literally runs them through with a knife conveniently found in the butcher block. Mom is able to have a coherent conversation withh 911 operator and tells the lady she touched the knife. In those ghastly seconds she found time to touch the knife? Are you kidding me? Any mom or dad here knows that would not be the priority when every single second counts.
There is no defense.

Since: Jan 12

Buffalo, NY

#306 Feb 1, 2012
Coherent 911 call yes...calm? Not at all. Noone knows what you would do in that situation especially if you too had been attacked. No...she can't remember being attacked..but..I can understand that. I was in a bad car accident with no head injury and I remember nothing about it. The last thing I remember was being at a friends house. also...there is evidence that more than one weapon was used as the wounds are not the same. I don't like the woman and she does seem to lack the emotions I would have in that situation but I dont think she did it. I think a new trial might get to the bottom of it. If she is guilty, why not give her the new trial and prove it once again. If she is innocent I would hate to think she will be executed for being a self centered, materialistic, me person. We don't execute people for lack of affect.
cami

Halifax, Canada

#307 Feb 1, 2012
Robin4 wrote:
No where in my post did I say the Judge threw out the other video...her attorney did not show it..why? I have no idea. Personally, I think her attorney did a lousy job. I did read the trial transcript and have been following the case...not all the photos of her bruises were shown...again..I blame her attorney. The one that ran the entire underside of her arm was not shown. As a person...I dont care for Darlie Routier..but I want to make sure someone is guilty before we stick a needle in them. All I am saying is lets be sure.
You're wrong, the transcripts clearly show the photos of the bruises were discussed and shown to the jury, all the photos. Especially the one that ran the entire underside of her arm.

23 Q. Okay. Now she had the wound to her
24 neck, her shoulder and this wound to the right arm; is
25 that right?
Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter
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1 A. Yes, she did.
2 Q. Okay. Now, let me show you what's
3 been marked as State's Exhibit 52-A. Do you recognize
4 that as a photograph of Ms. Routier?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Do you see her right arm there and the
7 bruising on her right arm?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. What type of injury is that? What's
10 that called?
11 A. That's what we would term medically a
12 hematoma. It's a large bruise.
13 Q. Okay. And how are those caused? In
14 particular, that type of bruise?
15 A. This type of bruising, if I just saw
16 it, I would think that it was caused by a very heavy
17 blunt injury.
18 Q. Okay. And explain to the jury what a
19 blunt injury is.
20 A. We say blunt, as in not something
21 sharp, striking your hand against a door, being in a car
22 wreck and hitting the steering wheel, something in that
23 nature.
24 Q. Is that pretty severe blunt trauma?
25 A. This is a fairly severe blunt trauma,
Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter
868

1 yes.
2 Q. Okay.

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cami

Halifax, Canada

#308 Feb 1, 2012
Robin4 wrote:
Coherent 911 call yes...calm? Not at all. Noone knows what you would do in that situation especially if you too had been attacked. No...she can't remember being attacked..but..I can understand that. I was in a bad car accident with no head injury and I remember nothing about it. The last thing I remember was being at a friends house. also...there is evidence that more than one weapon was used as the wounds are not the same. I don't like the woman and she does seem to lack the emotions I would have in that situation but I dont think she did it. I think a new trial might get to the bottom of it. If she is guilty, why not give her the new trial and prove it once again. If she is innocent I would hate to think she will be executed for being a self centered, materialistic, me person. We don't execute people for lack of affect.
Robin4 you are terrible wrong. You say you have read the transcripts yet your posts show a lack of knowledge about the evidence in this case.

There is absolutely no reason why Darlie should not remember this attack. She had no head injuries, she wasn't in shock, she's just a pathalogical liar.

Only one knife was used. If you had read the transcripts you'd know the answer to why Devon's blood was not found on the knife.

There is overwhelming evidence of Darlie's guilt
cami

Halifax, Canada

#309 Feb 1, 2012
Johnny wrote:
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Evidence is only as good as the people collecting it & the people being looked at with suspicion, wouldn't you agree Mark? I agree someone is a great and convincing liar but not necessarily the mom. Curious as to what evidence you mean because from what I've seen all of it can be scientifically & otherwise disputed, if you're looking at the evidence presented alone. Wondering why her story has to add up to the evidence but the husband's story doesn't have to? Thinking many people on this forum are great and convincing liars as well.
Go ahead and refute it if you can.

What evidence is he talking about..hmmm let's see.

The cast off blood (the boys)on the front and back of her nightshirt.
Blood cleaned up from the kitchen sink, taps and the surrounding counter.
Bloody footprints cleaned up.
Fibre and debris from the cut screen in two different striations of the serrated knife found in the butcher block.
Blood trail is hers and shows she's walking and not running after an intruder.
No blood where she says the intruder dropped the bloody knife
No appreciable blood on the couch where she was allegedly stabbed.
No cast off blood anywhere in the murder room.(meaning she wasn't fighting anyone in the murder room)
No evidence of a fight whatsoever, just a tipped over coffee table and a lamp shade askew (staging)
No blood on the exit window, screen or window frame.
NO blood outside the home
A thick layer of dust undisturbed on the alleged exit window.
No evidence anyone went out the window, no evidence anyone scaled the fence or left through the gate.
The sensor lights in the back yard did not trigger.
Darlie's consciousness of guilt on the 911 call..i.e. concern for the prints on the knife
The boys blood on the sock and Darlie's dna from shed skin cells in the toe.(it was Darin's sock)
The variance in the wounds the children suffered and the ones Darlie suffered.

Refute all of it please.

If you don't think Darlie's a liar, read her testimony. Both she and Darin lied their heads off.

Darlie had one of the best legal teams in Dallas. The problem is her lawyers had nothing, the evidence against her is overwhelming.
cami

Halifax, Canada

#310 Feb 1, 2012
Johnny wrote:
Since I'm in a generous mood, I'll give you a few murderous fathers for research to start with: Tom Bonny, Jerry William Jones, Charles Rothenberg, Andras Pandy, Ronald Clark O'Bryan, Brian Stewart, John Battaglia, etc. I didn't include step-fathers, fathers who committed suicide afterwards, sexually abused their children or fathers who inflicted their children with the AIDS virus, almost burned them to death etc. I also noticed on your list of murderous mothers, without researching others, that at least one - Susan Smith - was DIVORCED from her husband which doesn't apply to this case. Why would a married woman who did not need to kill her children for financial gain, who had 3 kids & could have gotten at least half or more of his assets in a divorce including car, boat, home, business, plus child support for 3 kids which would ammount to much more than for 1 child, plus alimony if applicable in TX - kill her children AT ALL? There was no need for HER, just need for HIM! And to kill them in the same room as herself knowing it would appear as if she did it?? So she would loose everything?? She had asked him for a separation earlier that evening - seriously folks, GET A CLUE.
You're the one who needs to get a clue. Police stats show most young children murdered in the home when the parents are there are killed by the parents. Many, many mothers have killed thier own kids. Diane Downs, Debra Milke, Christina Riggs, Susan Smith, Andrea Yates.

Susan Smith was not divorced from her husband just separated.

Assets???? There wasn't anything. The business was in trouble, bills going unpaid, mortgage going unpaid, credit cards unpaid, owing $10,000 in back taxes. Darlie was about to lose everything. Marriage was on the rocks, the house would have been foreclosed on, etc. etc. boat gone, cars repossessed.

All Darlie had was to go back to her mother with three children in tow.

Here's your clue--you can arrest someone and put them on trial without some kind of physical evidence. Darin was the first suspect, however Darin's statements were consistant with his movements and the phsyical evidence. Darlie's statements did not support the evidence.

Oh and there's no way Damon "saved Darlie" How could a young child with six stab wounds into his liver and his lungs walk and talk? How could a traumatized child, gasping for breath, tell the cops "mummy did it" The most he could do was drag himself across the room where he was stabbed again..fatally.

Since: Jan 12

Buffalo, NY

#311 Feb 1, 2012
I don't recall ever saying anything about Devon's blood and the knife but not pertinent. I think we can all agree to disagree. I don't know for sure if she did or did not do it and neither do the rest of the posters. And as for her not remembering the attack...again...I do not remember my accident and I had no head injury. Your mind is a funny thing. It does things (like block memories) to protect us from things we can't handle. Look at dissociative personalities (multiple personalities), the other personalities are born to take on the pain that the initial personality could not handle. Now before you reply, I am not saying Darlie has multiple personality. I was only using an example of how our minds protects us. I think her lawyer sucked by not showing the video of the ceremony before the silly string one. I too was apalled by her behavior and I "knew" she was guilty. Then when I heard of things not let into the trial, and other evidence that should have been I wasn't so sure. And then when I heard her knife wound on her neck was 2mm from her jugular and that it actually had jammed her necklace into the cut and it had to be surgically removed I began to lean towards wrongful conviction. If I wee going to fake a neck wound I would have moved the necklace for Pete's sake. And then when I saw that arm bruise I knew. Do you know how difficult it would be to self inflict that injury? Give her another trial..let everything be told and let her have a fair trial. I am not a bleeding heart liberal. I believe in owning guns and I believe in the death penalty. But I want to be sure..I have to be sure because the thought of an innocent person being put to death horrifies me. She may be guilty she may not but I say better safe than sorry...new trial needed.
Lydia

Kennewick, WA

#312 Feb 1, 2012
I have known about this case since about 1998 and have read about it on and off over the years. I have read the trial transcripts and am very strongly of the opinion that Darlie is guilty based primarily upon the overwhelming physical evidence but also supported by her lifestyle, past history and narcassistic personality.There seem to be several posters here that are very well versed on this case but everyone seems kind of vague about what is actually happening at the present time with this case. It seems like they are waiting to do testing if I understand correctly, but honestly, this has been the status for quite a while (at least 2 years that I am aware), and I would think that at some point they would want to finalize things. Does anyone know the hold up? Also, my opinion is that even if either there is a new trial and she is found guilty again (foregone conclusion), or it is determined by the court that there will be no new trial, she will never be executed. I'm sure she will remain in prison forever but I really think it is unlikely that the execution will take place. There has just been so much controversey surrounding this case. I also think her zealot supporters are a force to be reckoned with. I would like to know others' opnions in if you think the execution will ever actually happen. Looking forward to responses.

Since: Jan 12

Buffalo, NY

#313 Feb 1, 2012
I dont think she will ever be executed. If she is guilty, I would rather see her get life without parole. Right now she has her own cell and no access to other inmates. If guilty, I would love to see how she would get along in general population. She would be harassed everyday of her long long life and be reminded daily of what she did. Death is her easy out. If guilty that is

Since: Jan 12

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#314 Feb 21, 2012
Wasn't there a problem with the transcripts from the trial? Seems to me it showed some bias by Sandra Halsey. I have had a lot of doubt about her guilt. Would like to know if there is any thing new in her case.Could never understand why she didn't get a new trial. jmo

Since: Jan 12

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#315 Feb 21, 2012
Hardly Works wrote:
Watching the 'Mother on Death Row' item now. Dudes: Look at her neck wound. Self inflicted obviously. Picture someone getting attacked by a probably right handed offender. If I were the prosecutor I would have tried to reinact the alledged assault.
Her necklace was imbedded in the wound in her neck. Self inflicted ,I doubt it.

Since: Jan 12

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#316 Feb 21, 2012
Girl Next Door wrote:
For those who claim Darlie is innocent - How do you explain the cast-off blood stains on the back of her night shirt? What intruder comes to kill but does not bring his own weapon?
Tommy lynn Sells, wow you don't read much do you ?
greentrees

Houston, TX

#317 Feb 21, 2012
Who here can verify that Tommy Lynn Sells was in jail/prison at the time of the murders. Everyone keeps saying he was behind bars but no one has been able to say exactly what jail/prison he was in on the date of the murders. Can anyone find that information?

Since: Jan 12

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#318 Feb 21, 2012
cami wrote:
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How dare you suggest that I am not truthful. Nor have I mistated facts of this case. You are the one who has mistated the facts.
No one has suggested that Darlie injuries were not serious but they were not life threatening as testified by the medical staff who treated her. So if you can prove 7 nurses and 2 doctors are lying have at it. Because the wound went down to the platsma but didn't cut it, the wound is considered superficial to the platsma..as testified to by the doctors who treated Darlie.
No one testified that Darlie's arm bone was splintered, you'll have to prove that...please link me to the document that says her arm bone was splintered and marrow was leaking. Wouldn't you need a cast on your arm if a bone was broken? Why was she gleefully spraying silly string only days after she was released from hospital if her injuries were so bad?
Darlie's injuries were nothing compared to what her sons got.
Also you didn't mention she lost that appeal so why bring it up? She's lost all her appeals.
Darlie Routier was a beautiful young woman. Some people might think you are just jealous. jmo

Since: Jan 12

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#319 Feb 21, 2012
rainyday1 wrote:
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You know nothing about this case. Every single thing you have posted is incorrect. That's because you listen to the baby killer Darlie and she is a pathological liar. Evidence doesn't lie but people do. Blood doesn't lie but people do. The blood and fibre evidence in this case convicted Darlie...nothing else.
I think you are the one that is wrong . This person is talking about evidence , maybe you should check it out.

Since: Jan 12

Seabrook, NH

#320 Mar 3, 2012
Anyone who has spent any time studying criminal psychology is struck, in the case of Darlie Routier, with the lack of build-up to this extreme crime. If Darlie Routier actually killed her sons with a knife, or in this case, apparently knives as no blood from Devon Routier was found on the bread knife, you would expect to see physical and sexual abuse starting in childhood. You would expect to see acts of violence from a lesser to greater extent, developing over years. You would expect to see occasional to frequent calls for assistance due to domestic abuse. You would expect to see infidelity in the marriage. In the cases of Susan Smith and Diane Downs you have all of these thing. In Darlie Routier none were presented to the court.

Likewise, Smith and Downs killed their children by drowning and shooting them respectively, impersonal distancing crimes.

Routier allegedly used a knife. A knife is an interesting murder weapon psychologically. It is not only visceral and very personal, it makes a huge mess. The perpetrator gets blood all over himself and in most cases cuts himself as well unless he is wearing leather gloves. This is the type of crime the Manson Family carried out. The crimes of Tommy Lynn Sells whose MO is nearly identical to evidence at the Routiers' home but he was in a Georgia prison that night. Also very much like Adam Lane's crimes.

The Routier murders certainly appear to be the acts of a serial killer, not a distraught mother. I won't say distraught mothers NEVER kill their children with bladed weapons, but when they do there is a lead up to the crime. The prosecution's claim that knife wielders either stab or cut but not both, shows an incredible lack of research. Tommy Lynn Sells during the murder of Katy Harris stabbed her repeatedly but slashed Crystal Surles' throat just missing her carotid, exactly as Darlie's attacker did.

From a forensic standpoint there is NO WAY Darlie Routier committed these crimes. I challenge anyone to cut their own throat like that and prove it can be done.

Since: Jan 12

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#321 Mar 6, 2012
Patrick King wrote:
Anyone who has spent any time studying criminal psychology is struck, in the case of Darlie Routier, with the lack of build-up to this extreme crime. If Darlie Routier actually killed her sons with a knife, or in this case, apparently knives as no blood from Devon Routier was found on the bread knife, you would expect to see physical and sexual abuse starting in childhood. You would expect to see acts of violence from a lesser to greater extent, developing over years. You would expect to see occasional to frequent calls for assistance due to domestic abuse. You would expect to see infidelity in the marriage. In the cases of Susan Smith and Diane Downs you have all of these thing. In Darlie Routier none were presented to the court.
Likewise, Smith and Downs killed their children by drowning and shooting them respectively, impersonal distancing crimes.
Routier allegedly used a knife. A knife is an interesting murder weapon psychologically. It is not only visceral and very personal, it makes a huge mess. The perpetrator gets blood all over himself and in most cases cuts himself as well unless he is wearing leather gloves. This is the type of crime the Manson Family carried out. The crimes of Tommy Lynn Sells whose MO is nearly identical to evidence at the Routiers' home but he was in a Georgia prison that night. Also very much like Adam Lane's crimes.
The Routier murders certainly appear to be the acts of a serial killer, not a distraught mother. I won't say distraught mothers NEVER kill their children with bladed weapons, but when they do there is a lead up to the crime. The prosecution's claim that knife wielders either stab or cut but not both, shows an incredible lack of research. Tommy Lynn Sells during the murder of Katy Harris stabbed her repeatedly but slashed Crystal Surles' throat just missing her carotid, exactly as Darlie's attacker did.
From a forensic standpoint there is NO WAY Darlie Routier committed these crimes. I challenge anyone to cut their own throat like that and prove it can be done.
Well said and I agree 100%.
Slime

Newark, NJ

#322 Mar 6, 2012
It is perfectly understandable that many of you are unable to comprehend how a mom could rage kill her little ones. I can hardly believe it. But the evidence which Camy has so patiently described is real. I'm not going to repeat it . The children died quickly. Mom was out of the hospital in a day or two. If her story were real she would have fought to the death for their sakes. She lived to spray the silly string. Ask yourself: Am I that stupid, that gullible that I can't believe that the convicted greedy smiling fraud is pure murderous evil?

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