Local group hopes to revisit decade-old conversation on Gay Straight Alliance in schools

Aug 30, 2014 Full story: Lubbock Avalanche-Journal 9

PFLAG officers Tony Thornton and Grace Rogers plan to ask Lubbock Independent School District leaders to allow Gay Straight Alliance groups at the high schools.

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Tea Bag Residue Cleanup

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Aug 30, 2014
They don't have to ask. It's the clear law regarding public schools: Fundies may have their buybull study clubs, normal students may have gay/str8 alliances.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#4 Aug 30, 2014
Tea Bag Residue Cleanup wrote:
They don't have to ask. It's the clear law regarding public schools: Fundies may have their buybull study clubs, normal students may have gay/str8 alliances.
I was't aware of this case, but it appears that the Lubbock GSA students lost in federal district court in 2003, and Lambda Legal's clients decided not to appeal the judge's ruling, which conflicted with other rulings on the issue at the time.

The Equal Access Act of 1984 generally requires public secondary schools to treat all student-initiated groups equally, regardless of the religious, political, philosophical, or other subject matters discussed at their meetings. Its protections are supposed to apply to groups that address issues relating to LGBT students and matters involving sexual orientation and gender identity, just as they apply to religious and other student groups.

But in this case, the judge ruled that the decision not to allow the group to meet on campus is "an assertion of a school's right not to surrender control of the public school system to students and erode a community's standard of what subject matter is considered obscene and inappropriate." That runs counter to the facts of what a GSA is all about, and completely contradicts previous Supreme Court rulings concerning the free speech and association rights of students in public schools.

It's too bad that students didn't appeal the ruling at the time; it's likely they would have won. Clearly the students in Lubbock have suffered from the denial of their free speech and access rights in the intervening years.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#5 Aug 31, 2014
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>......the judge ruled that the decision not to allow the group to meet on campus is "an assertion of a school's right not to surrender control of the public school system to students and erode a community's standard of what subject matter is considered obscene and inappropriate." .....
In other words, we've finally found a real live activist judge, making up laws from the bench.

All the screaming and crying the fundies do about non-existent "activist judges" and when we finally find one, he's on *their* side. Go figure.
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Aug 31, 2014
It is ridiculous. It is now settled law and settled Dept. of Education policy: If the public school has student clubs - which this entire school district obviously does, then it is required to equally permit gay/str8 alliances. This is a couple of decades later from the facts you are relating.

This is poor reporting, the group seems uninformed and passive, and they should be suing, not asking. Apparently they want to work things out amicably, since the new administrator is more cagey about any bigotry than the earlier administrator was.
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Aug 31, 2014
"Defenders of homosexuality argue that youth organizations such as the Boy Scouts should be forced to include homosexuals among their adult leaders."

That insane filth can't even get the simplest things correct. The bigot's statement is at best a half truth. LGBT people expect full and exact equality. Whether these bigot groups allow openly lgbt adult leaders is just a tiny aspect of the matter of equal rights.

And going by the actual stats it is heterosexual males who should not be permitted near children. Particularly the authoritarian, sexually controlling and conflicted, uber "religious," heterosexual males. They are poison, the real abusers, both sexually and spiritually.

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#10 Aug 31, 2014
Good Revereend wrote:
However, despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two. This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners, the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.
You mean like historically straight men disproportionately seeking out younger brides, such that it was even codified into law? If we could regulate that then why can we not regulate this?

Blacks are higher in almost all poor indicators, do we ban them from certain professions or working with children?
Belle Sexton

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Aug 31, 2014
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
I was't aware of this case, but it appears that the Lubbock GSA students lost in federal district court in 2003, and Lambda Legal's clients decided not to appeal the judge's ruling, which conflicted with other rulings on the issue at the time.
The Equal Access Act of 1984 generally requires public secondary schools to treat all student-initiated groups equally, regardless of the religious, political, philosophical, or other subject matters discussed at their meetings. Its protections are supposed to apply to groups that address issues relating to LGBT students and matters involving sexual orientation and gender identity, just as they apply to religious and other student groups.
But in this case, the judge ruled that the decision not to allow the group to meet on campus is "an assertion of a school's right not to surrender control of the public school system to students and erode a community's standard of what subject matter is considered obscene and inappropriate." That runs counter to the facts of what a GSA is all about, and completely contradicts previous Supreme Court rulings concerning the free speech and association rights of students in public schools.
It's too bad that students didn't appeal the ruling at the time; it's likely they would have won. Clearly the students in Lubbock have suffered from the denial of their free speech and access rights in the intervening years.
They didn't push it at the time because the case was a poisoned pill about religion in schools wrapped in one of our issues.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#12 Sep 1, 2014
Belle Sexton wrote:
<quoted text>
They didn't push it at the time because the case was a poisoned pill about religion in schools wrapped in one of our issues.
You can't just drop that and leave without explaining it. What was the poison pill part? They already had the religious delusion groups, so that wasn't going to change (unless the students got a clue and quit attending them). How was pursing the case going to harm the gay/straight alliance supporters?
Dr Reker s Bellhop

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Sep 1, 2014
"They already had the religious delusion groups"

No.The equal access act reinstated and formalized the right to bible clubs in public schools relative to that decade (if not relative to earlier decades' practices.) Immediately prior to that time restrictions on "devotional readings" and so forth were, on paper, far more stringent than today.

It also supposedly guaranteed a right to gay/str8 alliances in public schools. That often has to be litigated...even today.

In my view, this was not a case of christianists "infecting" an lgbt rights initiative - given the times when it was passed it was a case of lgbt rights piggybacking on christianist rights in a way the christianists have regretted ever since. Although it was arguably in reality a case of true compromise.

Both groups, fundies and lgbt activists, got a foothold in the schools as a result. I think the fundies abuse the law in more egregious ways, but then I don't see the minority phenomenon of lgbt identity as something that can be imposed on others the way the dominant religion can.

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