Walk Trail to NOWHERE
Justice

Syracuse, NY

#82 Dec 10, 2009
You vote the goof in. He then pushes a walk trail, and puts a freeze on the county employee's. If you had been a favored son like Virkler, money would not be an issue.
Lewis County Tax Payer

Syracuse, NY

#83 Dec 10, 2009
The other tax payer. 0 will walk the trail after they see the motorized drama.
Undercover Sister

Syracuse, NY

#84 Dec 10, 2009
truthteller wrote:
second-if you are expecting a non-motorized walk and biking trail you will be sorely disappointed. the plan is to use this to connect to other parts of the railroad and other trails to allow ATVs and snowmobiles into the village.
Proof?
ODB

Syracuse, NY

#85 Dec 10, 2009
I like the idea of the walking trail because I think that it really adds to the quality of life of village residents. Having said that, I believe that this trail had it's oppurtunity at the Village level, and the village trustees made a mistake by letting it go. The timing isn't right now, but it's a project that should have been kept on the table for better times.

In my humble opinion, this isn't a project that the county should take on. If village residents want to bring it back up on a local level, or spearhead a grassroots campaign, it should be their burden alone.
ODA

Syracuse, NY

#86 Dec 10, 2009
ODB get it the village trustee's do not want it. The tax payers cannot afford it.
truthteller

Newcomb, NY

#87 Dec 10, 2009
proof? there is nothing in the grant to prevent motorization. proponents have balked at ruling out motorized vehicles when it was before the village. take a look at mr. diehl's words at the last meeting when he spoke of connecting the walk trail part of the railroad track to the railroad leading out of town. they've been diddling around with the idea of running ATVs and snowmobiles on the railroads for years. the proof is in their words and previous actions. How much interest, beyond lip service, have either Lucas or Diehl shown in walk trails? ZIPPO!

You want proof? Ask the people who want to spend the million dollars to prove that they will not use it for ATVs and snowmobiles and put it in writing in a manner that makes it binding. I promise you won't get it-there's your proof.
ODB

Syracuse, NY

#88 Dec 10, 2009
I get it. That's why I said "If village residents want to bring it back up...."
Holy Smoke

Constableville, NY

#89 Dec 10, 2009
Lewis County Tax Payer, Thank you for your estimate of 100+ users.

Now lets say you off and it maybe 200:

This works out to:

Cost -$5,644/person using the trail.
% of Lowville population that will be using the trail - 5.7%.
O yes this is a county project benefiting all Lewis County.
% of Lewis County population that will be using the trail - 0.76%.

It is going to be used by the people of the county - 0.76% of the people. This is an enormous investment for either the village or the county. What is wrong with this picture? I know the cost to the taxpayers is only 20% of the cost. Wrong where do you think the grant money is coming from? I will tell you - you and me.
Lewis County Tax Payer wrote:
I'd estimate 100+ per non winter day.
No less than the number of people who use the weight room, swimming pool, track or fields at South Lewis. We helped pay for all of those.
Lewis County Taxpayer

Syracuse, NY

#90 Dec 10, 2009
To the ignorant Lewis County Tax Payer from the smart one. You are talking out your a-- because your mouth knows better!!!!!
Lewis County Taxpayer

Constableville, NY

#91 Dec 10, 2009
The same arguement can be used to deny most municipal projects. How many people use athletic fields on any given day? How many people use the village parks? How many people use any given piece of specialty medical equipment?
Holy Smoke

Constableville, NY

#92 Dec 10, 2009
The same argument or analysis should be used on all projects. I can believe that anyone could feel differently. An analysis of some kind is needed on all non-essential governmental services and should be transparent to the public and then a decision needs to be made whether to do it or not.

The real question is "Should government be in recreation or should it be delivering the basic services.
Big Mama

Constableville, NY

#93 Dec 10, 2009
After reading the arguments on this topic I am now convince that supporting the walking trail with taxpayer money a bit extreme and irresponsible in these hard times. We have citizens in this county having a hard time paying their taxes and putting food on the table. Our county government should start helping the citizens. There are plenty of places people can walk within the county. We need start a petition to protest this outlandish spending. I would but dont know the legal way to do it.
nice lady

AOL

#94 Dec 10, 2009
After spending several hours speaking to a few legislators tonight about this "Walking Trail" , I am very concerned why all the rush. There will be an open forum for questions with the planning board (Mr. Diehl) I believe to answer questions about this trail. I think we have enough on our plates without funding a walking trail. the trail is expected to be on the old rail road tracks through the village of Lowville then on to Maple Ridge and to the Black river eventually. Now I see it happening before our eyes that this will eventually be a link for the atv and snowmobile trails. One legislator said it was to bring in tourist and possibly money where the old railroad station is? An Ice cream stand? well my god, also said no motorized vehicles will be allowed because of what is in the contract with getting this money. The money is supposed to all ready be in the hands of the DOT, is this another race track deal that they hope will turn into a big business venture. I urge everyone with questions for or against this trail to go and ask on Tuesday November 15th in the Legislators meeting room at 6pm. There are two different opinions on this, but I truly think with Lucas pushing this down everyones throats, it is going to turn into a link for the trails eventually. We can find places already built to walk. Example, the track at the fair grounds, paved or dirt whichever you choose. It was stated it would be a safe trail for kids to walk to school. Yep over the tressle and already have had kids fall off that into the ravine below breaking his leg. I think liability is an issue and also when the money is gone to build this trail the county will have to pick up any additional cost. Okay, so who pays for the lighting bill? Us. Who will pay to groom the trail? Us. If the trail is going to go to Maple Ridge will they be grooming it in the winter for cross country skiing and for people to get to the snow tubing trail. Yes I would say with the cost on Us? I was told if they don't take this money someone else will get it. IF the DOT has it in their possession already, it can only be used for what was in the grant. I was told it would be cut off from any of the railroad tracks outside the village because the grant says no motor vehicles on it. Okay, what happens when it storms and all the people who want to get into Lowville to get bread and milk decide to use this trail to get there. Then the snowmobilers from the city who already use stowe street and sometimes the outside streets to get into the village will start using it. Because like tonight rt 26 was to be closed because of zero visibility. I guess if I need bread it will be okay to ride my atv or snowmobile to town through my neighbors fields with their permission and sneek down a walking trail because all the police are out on accident calls and can't get back to town. So who will be enforcing the no vehicles on this trail. Eventually you will see this as part of the new ATV and Snowmobile trail system. I myself and sick of this wasted money on pipe dreams. Some one needs to come up with realistic ways to bring money to Lewis County and then look at pipe dreams. Right now we are in dire needs of keeping jobs and bringing jobs in, not wasteful spending on something that might get used. Or Might bring in tourist down the road. How much farther into debt will the county go to satisfy some dreams of a few. The race track could have been successful but not good management, now there goes more jobs and money elsewhere. When is it going to be said , That's enough, We don't need it!!!! Not right now. Please go and voice your concerns.
Big Mama

Constableville, NY

#95 Dec 11, 2009
You forgot the following:

Walking Trails:
- DEC in Dadville.
- Sidewalks.
- State & County Lands.

Safety:
-Most walking trails in other areas do not cross major streets. Lowville proposed trail crosses 6 heavily traveled streets. What happens when some kid runs ahead of his mother and get killed?
-Drug Haven
-Other Crime

Continue Expenses:
-Insurance (Continuous)
-Crossing Guards (24/7-?)
-Maintenance (Continuous)
-Police Protection (24/7-?)
-Garbage Collection (Continuous)
-Landscaping (Continuous)

People outside the Village of Lowville are asking to pay for this crazy project with their hard earned tax money.

And there are many other items that I may have forgotten. Someone needs his or her heads examine and should have been voted out of office. They should have this issue settled before elections.

The public hearing need to be held at LACS and then there will not be enough room. If some would start a petition I will be the first to sign it.
sick of it

United States

#96 Dec 11, 2009
"I was told if they don't take this money someone else will get it." -nice lady

This sounds to me like you were talking to Rick Lucas. That's his typical line. His mindset is that of a pig at the trough...gobble up all you can get, before someone else gets it, whether you actually need it or not. What he just doesn't seem to grasp is that this "free money" is actually OUR MONEY! Every year I get a huge refund from Federal Taxes, but with the same withholding at the State level, I always end up owing them money!! The state doesn't need anymore of our money, and we certainly don't need people like Lucas who are frothing at the mouth to not only piss our money away, but also give us a further burden of maintenance, insurance, etc. that we're going to have to bear forever! And I used to think that Republicans were fiscally conservative. Silly me.
sick of it to

Syracuse, NY

#97 Dec 11, 2009
hey sick of it, when I make out my State tax check, should I make it payable to Rick Lucas?
nice lady

AOL

#98 Dec 11, 2009
sick of it wrote:
"I was told if they don't take this money someone else will get it." -nice lady
This sounds to me like you were talking to Rick Lucas. That's his typical line. His mindset is that of a pig at the trough...gobble up all you can get, before someone else gets it, whether you actually need it or not. What he just doesn't seem to grasp is that this "free money" is actually OUR MONEY! Every year I get a huge refund from Federal Taxes, but with the same withholding at the State level, I always end up owing them money!! The state doesn't need anymore of our money, and we certainly don't need people like Lucas who are frothing at the mouth to not only piss our money away, but also give us a further burden of maintenance, insurance, etc. that we're going to have to bear forever! And I used to think that Republicans were fiscally conservative. Silly me.
Nope I wouldn't speak to Rick about anything. He is out for himself and himself only. He just as soon stick you in throat to get the last blood he could out of you before he kicked you down. It was another Legislator, shall I say, one that made a mess of another major expense for Lewis County. He says he don't like to spend money if we don't have to and then says sometimes we have to build more because we run out of rooml. And hopefully revenue with sales tax and bed tax will increase, and like some, maybe we will get the windmill money back. Yeah right, dream on dreamers. I just hope that people speaking out against wasteful money show up at this meeting. Now another issue has been brought up that the trail coordiantor cannot keep up with his responsibilities and didn't get the paper work in for the snowmobile trails. Is it because he has been meeting with Mr Lucas, who has tried to shove this down all the people's throats including legislators, trying to get this "Walking trail" of potential revenue off the ground. Next you'll see them aquire the old railroad system and there is the new atv and snowmobile links to the village of Lowville and onto other towns outside on the other side of Black River. You damn right someone needs to speak up and ask some questions. and we need the answers, the right answers, not what they have been practicing with what they want you to believe.
Sue

Constableville, NY

#99 Dec 11, 2009
hey let's have all the people who voted for Rick Lucas pay for the expenses of this walking trail. This way the people in other parts of the county wouldn't have to pay as it doesn't benefit them and the people of the village wouldn't have to pay for the maintenance and lighting of the trail. It's a win win situation.
This past November which was the lesser of the 2 evils now?
Deerjohn

Freeville, NY

#100 Dec 12, 2009
County Resident wrote:
Rick Lucas was in the paper quoting as saying that they want to re look at this project, "but they do not want to spend alot of tax payer money. What difference does it make. We have already spent alot of money on the trail man position, and the truck etc. If anyone that wishes to walk the trail can go vroom vroom then we will spend tax dollars.
This is just another reason why we do NOT need a planning office. Because grant or no grant ( which is your money and my money anyway) It will also cost us money because it is only 80% grant funded.
Are you not glad we are gettin such a deal. As Smirnoff would say "what a county"
And everyone knows that if the Federal or State picks up the cost it doesn't cost US anything in tax dollars. Wait...where does that money come from?

Since: Oct 09

Constableville, NY

#101 Dec 12, 2009
What person would 'engineer' this "Pie in the sky" trail??? Eric Virkler is right.... Only, its way he could go over the heads of Lowville Village Board! Folks, this guy's daffy proposal make me wanna puke - what a waster he is of taxpayer time & money. Maybe, just maybe, Lewis County will see its Economic Developer go down agin??...Eric Virkler is a "legend in his own mind."

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