Tolerance is a virtue

Raleigh, NC

#22 Feb 8, 2013
Dad wrote:
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Believe that lie if you want to.
Homosexuality can have both genetic and behavioral causes. Why does it have to be one or the other?

All of my gay friends have been Catholic. Of all my acquaintances that are gay, I only know of two non-catholics. This is my experience.

Catholicism is a belief and not a genetic disposition, or in other words it behavioral and not inheritable. Catholicism covers many ethnic regions, not entirely related genetically, for instance Italian, Spanish, Irish, etc.

Preying dearly to a scantly cladded man with a little loin cloth around his privates, hanging mercifully on the cross in a feminine fashion with long flowing hair may have influenced many a boy.(Emphasis on the word influenced.)
Harry Bawls

Saranac Lake, NY

#23 Feb 8, 2013
Tolerance is a virtue wrote:
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Homosexuality can have both genetic and behavioral causes. Why does it have to be one or the other?
All of my gay friends have been Catholic. Of all my acquaintances that are gay, I only know of two non-catholics. This is my experience.
Catholicism is a belief and not a genetic disposition, or in other words it behavioral and not inheritable. Catholicism covers many ethnic regions, not entirely related genetically, for instance Italian, Spanish, Irish, etc.
Preying dearly to a scantly cladded man with a little loin cloth around his privates, hanging mercifully on the cross in a feminine fashion with long flowing hair may have influenced many a boy.(Emphasis on the word influenced.)
was they preests.a lot of them is purvurts that malest kids you no.poeple shuoldnt let there kids be aruond purvurst that is kweer
Hmmm

United States

#24 Feb 8, 2013
Talk about being out in left field. That's the dumbest thing I've heard in ages.

Can a woman seduce? Yep. But she can't seduce another woman who's not drawn to females.

Children may go through same-sex crushes, but that's not usually lasting. Hero worship is a kind of crush, and most of us can identify people of the same sex who were strongly admired when we were kids. We didn't jump into bed with them.

I've always thought Baden-Powell was pretty out of touch with his own sexuality. He and Olave had children, but he preferred the company of men and boys, and his bed of choice was a narrow military cot on an open air porch. Muscular Christianity had some interesting homophobic overtones. The Victorian era left a lot of men and women rather conflicted about purity.
justajoe

Ardsley, NY

#25 Feb 8, 2013
dream big wrote:
I will use this as an example: There are many people who are in the military who are gay but don't tell anyone. They fight for their country and some die. When the ones that come home and are hailed heros until one day someone found out they were gay. Then they are chastised for being gay. What changed? They are still the same hard working patriot. The only thing different was there choice in life which has been there for a long time. You just didnt know it until now. To me the only thing different is peoples bigotry. So you sweep all the good deeds they did in life under the rug because you cant understand their choice or dont agree with their choice. I myself am not gay but i feel everyone has the same rights. We all want to be treated with respect even if you dont agree. I dont fully agree with the religious aspect but i wont disrespect the people who do. The way people treat gay people is similar in ways to the way Hitler treated Jews.
I hear your point about serving your country or working with others, doing a great job then they find out your gay and you aint worth shit.
The plight of the pot smoker is the same.
However the scouts are a group that you send your children to that supposedly has a set of values a mindset that is farmiliar to you if you grew up as one.
I like my neighbor and would allow my child to go play with his kid because hes alot like me but if i found out he was gay I wouldnt and I dont have to.
In my 38 years gay men went from people who had to watchout as some avidly looked for gays to beat up. In the 80's i knew that was wrong and i was only 10ish.
Then as time went on acceptance was taught its not their falt they said and as a teen I could understand.
Then as I became an adult it was like gays became the new black people (nothing against them) we are different, oppressed for it and now we want equality and the right to be proud and to tell everyone all about it.
I dont agree i think you gays are flawed, an anomily, something went wrong somewhere that left them halfway between a man and a woman and thats just my opinion so i try to find likeminded people to surround myself with who have the same values so that when my boy is not learning from me hes learning from someone I approve of and respect.
justajoe

Ardsley, NY

#26 Feb 8, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
It's not contagious. If he's lucky, your son will encounter all kinds of people in his lifetime, including gays and lesbians. You don't honestly believe there are no gay men currently in leadership positions in BSA, do you? A gay male is no more likely to introduce your kid to homosexuality than you would be to regale him with the details of YOUR sex life. I know ONE way you can "protect" your son from homosexual influence: VOLUNTEER with the kid's troop! Problem solved.

I'm female and a Lifetime Member of the Girl Scouts, which does not discriminate against homosexuals. At least one of my camp directors when I was a kid was homosexual. There was never any reason for my parents to worry about it. The question of sexuality never came up. PERIOD. I turned out "straight" because I AM "straight". You honestly don't catch it from toilet seats!

But if it bothers you that much, why wouldn't YOU volunteer to work with your son's troop?

Just for the record, it's a total myth that homosexual men and women can be detected by "gaydar". Someone should introduce you to some bodybuilding gay men and a few very feminine lipstick lesbians. Stereotypes simply don't work. An "effeminate" male isn't always gay. A woman who LOOKS "butch" is often straight.

Relax. Your kid won't "turn gay" if he isn't already gay. It's no more a lifestyle than your heterosexuality is.

Suppose your kid IS gay, what then?

I dont agree with your statement that its not contagious. Obviously you dont catch gay but children are very impressionable and in this way a gay mans mannerisms can be picked up on and learned. This is confusing to a young person if they find themselves acting flamboyantly or femininely then they may mistakenly feel they might be that way
dream big

Northville, NY

#27 Feb 8, 2013
justajoe i respect your honesty even though personally i dont fully agree, and thats fine. I am not gay however. I do know a few gay people and yes they are different from myself in many ways but so are you different then I am. Doesn't mean its a bad thing. My friends dont act like what many call the "Typical gay person" I bet you could sit down with them and never know it unless they told you. They go to church. They hold good jobs and dont bother anyone. I have known them for about 5 years now and they hold many of the same values everyone else does.
As far as being stuck between a woman and a man. I disagree. The gay men i know are men and dont try to be a women. They dont try to act like a woman or even dress like one. The gay women i know are the same way. The only difference is their attraction to the same sex. None of them have ever tried to push themselves and their beliefs on anyone. I will admit there is some out there that do, but there is also serial killers out there and people that fit the looks and actions of a serial killer and really arent. What im trying to get across is that we simply cant generalize any group of people for the actions of some. To me it is more likely a pedophile would be more of a danger then gay people. A pedophile can be gay or not. There is a big difference.
Harry Bawls

Saranac Lake, NY

#28 Feb 8, 2013
Mort wrote:
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Yes they are just nice people. Take a look for yourself..
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cas/
did you poeple look on this sight this guy posted.that is some wierd poeple on their.you cant say their is any thing normal about what them poeple are lookin for on this criags list.they are just purvurts.that is the bottom line.their aint no other name for it.look on their and you will see for your selfs.do you want poeple like them on this criags list to be scout masters.not me.if i had a boy he wuold not be aruond those purvurts that put their thang in another mans but.that is just nasty.it aint normal.kweers shuold be back in there closet and some body shuold have naled the dam door shut
Hmmm

United States

#29 Feb 8, 2013
Having grown up knowing adults who weren't straight, I didn't find it all that confusing. There's nothing wrong with boys having a soft side, or girls having a tough side. I still think it's much ado about nothing. As I said, the Girl Scouts have no such anti-gay policy, and we've done just fine for the past hundred years and 11 months.
dream big

Northville, NY

#30 Feb 8, 2013
Harry what worries me the most is you went to that site and looked for the worst possible example you could find to try to hide how much of a bigot you are. Harry ..only the worst people would go to that site looking for that. You are talking about a small amount of a big group that would do something like that. Again generalizations. Some do it so they all must. Its like you writing on here like a backwoods retarded hick who doesnt have enough intelligence to distinguish right from wrong so your whole family line must be that way. I doubt its true but its the same generalization. Hurtful saying that...yes it is but so is what you are saying about another group of people. The other sick part to this is you are willing to put another human being into a small room and nail the door shut. Imprison someone for nothing more then you dont like them. Seems like your worse then the people you despise. What if your kid were gay? Would you treat them like that?
Harry Bawls

Saranac Lake, NY

#31 Feb 8, 2013
i aint a biggot.black poeple is born black and wemen is born femails.if you got some thing aginst them you are a biggot because they cant help what they are.but a kweer is kweer cuz he wants to be one.dont tell me they are born that way cuz that is a big lie.a man mite like anothjer man or a wemen might like another wemen but that dont make them kweer.a kweer is some body who goes ahead and has sex with some body that is there own sex.poeple dont have to have that kind of sex or any kind of sex unless they chews it
dream big

Eagle Bay, NY

#32 Feb 9, 2013
Look up the definition of bigot. You will find your under the homophobic section of the word. The way you answered about black people and women i still suspect you are under that part of the definition too. If you just said I don't hate blacks or women i would tend to agree with you ,but you just had to add the insult they cant help they were born that way. You're far worse then the people you condemn.
Harry Bawls

Saranac Lake, NY

#33 Feb 9, 2013
dream big wrote:
Look up the definition of bigot. You will find your under the homophobic section of the word. The way you answered about black people and women i still suspect you are under that part of the definition too. If you just said I don't hate blacks or women i would tend to agree with you ,but you just had to add the insult they cant help they were born that way. You're far worse then the people you condemn.
you are dummer than a box of rocks.i dont hate black poeple and ever body on hear no's that i dont hate wemen.that is for dam sure.i like wemen.espeshally the hot ones.even a dumass no's that a black person is born black and a wemen is born femail.that aint ensuting no body.that is just the facts.it aint rokit sience.must be you dont no a wemen when you see one.maybe you are a kweer.biggots are poepel who dont tollerate other poeple.you dont tollerate me so that makes you a biggot.dont you think i get sick of poeple saying that i am a hick or a farm boy or ignorrant.i graduatted from suoth lewis skool.but all the biggots aroud hear keep sayin that stuff
Hmmm

United States

#34 Feb 9, 2013
The pseudo-redneck shtick is way overdone, Harry.
Totally agree

New York, NY

#35 Feb 9, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
The pseudo-redneck shtick is way overdone, Harry.
Here, here. It's okay. He'll continue to post for the attention. Watch, it won't take long for the next one. Someone would have to be highly intelligent to craft posts that try to come off the exact opposite. Cheers to his teachers over the years for his education but jeers to those who guided him to believe his post are really all that funny...except to those whose intellectual level at which he pretends to be.
dream big

Altmar, NY

#36 Feb 9, 2013
I don't hate you Harry..I hate what you have become that's the difference. Just because you have become twisted doesn't mean you are a totally bad person.
The way you project yourself on here is what gives you the appearance of a hick so if it offends you that people call you that, then you alone have the ability to stop it, by showing your true self and not some fake persona that you think is funny only to yourself. Your the one demeaning yourself not others. How sad it must be to have to put yourself down in such an ignorant way just for attention.
Hmmm

United States

#37 Feb 9, 2013
I don't think Poe's Law applies here.
Harry Bawls

Saranac Lake, NY

#38 Feb 9, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
The pseudo-redneck shtick is way overdone, Harry.
i dont no what seudo is but i admit that i am a redncek.that is good cuz the best folks are redncek poeple.you are right.my shtick is way over done.if you go in to bakers all the wemen in their will tell you that.but i cant help it if it is big cuz i was born with it.you are just jellus cuz i get more aktion than you do
Hmmm

Worcester, MA

#39 Feb 9, 2013
Still not funny. You need to work on your material.
lucky

Ardsley, NY

#40 Feb 9, 2013
Only in Lewis county... Im absolutely ashamed and disgusted by you biggots. Real world, help!! There is a backwards county here full of stupidity!! Come quick!
justajoe

Ardsley, NY

#41 Feb 10, 2013
lucky wrote:
Only in Lewis county... Im absolutely ashamed and disgusted by you biggots. Real world, help!! There is a backwards county here full of stupidity!! Come quick!
Now you know exactly how straight men feel about homosexuals, or should I call you something that ends in ggots?
Absoluttely Ashamed and Disgusted that I have to even try to explain what you people are to my son!

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