Crow Creek Sioux Tribal Chair to Stan...

Crow Creek Sioux Tribal Chair to Stand Trial Dec. 15

There are 40 comments on the KDLT-TV Sioux Falls story from Dec 15, 2010, titled Crow Creek Sioux Tribal Chair to Stand Trial Dec. 15. In it, KDLT-TV Sioux Falls reports that:

The chairman of the Crow Creek Sioux tribe in South Dakota is scheduled for trial March 1 in a construction contract bribery case that has led to the convictions of several other tribal officials.

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Observer

Pukwana, SD

#21 Apr 13, 2011
Crow Creek Agency - You sound a little frustrated concerning the article I quoted. It came from the "West River EAgle" newspaper on Thursday, March 17, 2011. The article was written by Mary Olive Johnson in the "Court Watch" section of the paper. I hope this will help you. You seem to be the "perfect example" of a rumor mill yourself.
Crow Creek Agency wrote:
I remember hearing,, " No Question is a Dumb Question",.
but than again;
were from the Crow Creek Reserve, it's a little different there on the reserve.
.
Osama Bin Laden and his Holy Gang of Holy Warriors blew up the New York towers on 9/11.
Killing Thousands of non-combatant civilians, Men, Women and Children.
calling it,,,'Another' Holy War.
Osama Bin Laden is still being hunted down by Our United States Government.
.
Q:
Why did the Crow Creek Tribal Chairman, Duane Big Eagle Sr.
use Osama Bin Laden as his defense in the embezzlements from the Crow Creek Reserve?.
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden as an Example?
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden as an Excuse?,
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden as a Reason?.
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden as a Defense?.
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden for Encouragement?.
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden for Comfort?.
How did Duane Big Eagle Sr. mirror himself, his case, to Osama Bin Laden?.
.
"Why and How" Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. Use, or Refer to Osama Bin Laden in his Embezzlement and Bribery court case against him?. give us an example, a tip for the understandings.
.
you only gave us enough of the story to speculate....
'Duane Big Eagle Sr. attempted to cite Osama Bin Laden", 114 acts.
Attorney -->"the "Big Eagle sr. is no Osama Bin Laden.
.
( you must know,,, This a perfect example of how 'Rumors' are started on our reservations :)
.
Do we have a 'Holy War' going on in Crow Creek?.
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Observer

Pukwana, SD

#22 Apr 13, 2011
Crow Creek Agency - You sound a little frustrated with my quote about Duane Big Eagle trying to use Osama Bin Laden's defense strategy. The article was written by Mary Olive Johnson in the "Court Watch" section of the "West River Eagle" on Thursday, March 17, 2011. I hope this helps you. I don't make up the stories, I just report them. Heaven forbid that I should start any "rumors".
Crow Creek Agency wrote:
I remember hearing,, " No Question is a Dumb Question",.
but than again;
were from the Crow Creek Reserve, it's a little different there on the reserve.
.
Osama Bin Laden and his Holy Gang of Holy Warriors blew up the New York towers on 9/11.
Killing Thousands of non-combatant civilians, Men, Women and Children.
calling it,,,'Another' Holy War.
Osama Bin Laden is still being hunted down by Our United States Government.
.
Q:
Why did the Crow Creek Tribal Chairman, Duane Big Eagle Sr.
use Osama Bin Laden as his defense in the embezzlements from the Crow Creek Reserve?.
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden as an Example?
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden as an Excuse?,
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden as a Reason?.
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden as a Defense?.
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden for Encouragement?.
Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. use Osama Bin Laden for Comfort?.
How did Duane Big Eagle Sr. mirror himself, his case, to Osama Bin Laden?.
.
"Why and How" Did Duane Big Eagle Sr. Use, or Refer to Osama Bin Laden in his Embezzlement and Bribery court case against him?. give us an example, a tip for the understandings.
.
you only gave us enough of the story to speculate....
'Duane Big Eagle Sr. attempted to cite Osama Bin Laden", 114 acts.
Attorney -->"the "Big Eagle sr. is no Osama Bin Laden.
.
( you must know,,, This a perfect example of how 'Rumors' are started on our reservations :)
.
Do we have a 'Holy War' going on in Crow Creek?.
.
Crow Creek Agency

Denver, CO

#23 Apr 14, 2011
"Observer"
Crow Creek Agency - You sound a little frustrated with my quote about Duane Big Eagle trying to use Osama Bin Laden's defense strategy. The article was written by Mary Olive Johnson in the "Court Watch" section of the "West River Eagle" on Thursday, March 17, 2011.. I don't make up the stories, I just report them. Heaven forbid that I should start any "rumors".
.........

No, Not 'Frustrated',
.
You really did leave out parts of your report,
the parts that you just added.
1. Mary
2. Court Watch.
3. West River Eagle.
4. March 17.
.
yes Heaven forbids rumors.
We Crow Creekers should too., it's bad examples.
yes it helped, I will try to read the 114 Acts Duane Big Eagle sr. Quoted Osama Bin Laden.
.
I also think it's crazy for 'our' tribal Chairman to be using a ''Mass Murderer's Acts" as Defense for crimes committed on our reservation against poor people.
.
it was really as simple as including the info you left out.
.
but I was not frustrated,
Being from Crow Creek, you can call me anything you want,
but I wasn't 'frustrated',
it was just called 'a curious 'Question'.(s.
.
Frustrated?, at what? and; why do you think I was frustrated?.
were you 'trying' to make me feel frustrated?:)
.
I was just asking you questions on your reported post :)
but; you did see how easly rumors are stared on crow creek.
.
actually, I thought you Ignored my question,
and; than, I thought I would die before you addressed my question.
That much, I'm use to seeing from crow creek :)
.
pidamaye for the addings to your report, now were getting somewhere,
Now everyone else who reads these will know where to check for that information you shared, posted.
.
Duane Big eagle Sr. using Osama Bin Laden.
of all Defense's, only to choose ''Osama Bin Laden''.
(gasping or grabbing).
.
Our leaders should lead by examples, as examples...
.
Crow Creek Agency

Denver, CO

#24 Apr 14, 2011
P/s.
.
I did have one other question I forgot to add to my list of questions.
( as I was trying to cover all avenues )
.
Was the Crow Creek Tribal Chairman Duane Big Eagle Sr. using Osama Bin Laden Religiously?.
.
.
Crow Creek Agency

Denver, CO

#25 Apr 14, 2011
BRS wrote:
How can Marlis Big Eagle work for the FBI when she has a criminal record for embezzleing from Lynn's Super Market when she worked there as a check-out?
<quoted text>
Just as i thought this question (above) seems to have been Ignored and unanswered.
As was all the Non-Native Questions on Tribal Chairman Duane Big Eagle Sr.
all Ignored, left to speculations,
and
Heaven Forbidding Rumors.
.
all eyes are watching, past and present.
.
Crow Creek Agency

Denver, CO

#26 Apr 14, 2011
Maybe on the other hand, we should try to refrain from assumptions altogether,
especially try refraining ourselves from being 'left' in an assumption state.
you know what they say about 'assuming','assume'(?, assumptions.
'Assume' make's an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me' altogether.( ass-u-me ).

It reflects on some of these modern day 'Assimilation Policies' we have working for us, against us.

Are we Really Designed to Fail?.(in a matter of time).
Isn't destiny of our own choice's?.
or;
Is the Federal Government really only supporting us on our reservations until they feel we are capable of living amongst them as State neighbors and State citizens.
No more "Sovereign Reservations", No more Sovereignty, all living within a County of Lower Districts.
No more Federal Aid, all supplemented State Aid, State Taxes.( 3rd and 4th classes, always in line ).
Our people, The People will become vulnerable in more ways than we can think.

I always heard and read over and over, from time to time, Our ancestors repeatedly stated that everything we did was suppose to be for the children and for the people.
Today, when President Obama quoted a woman saying that in the news, it gets a great amount of strong hearted attention, recognition, rebuilt strength.
but if you really think about it, it's something our Ancestors have been repeating over and over, again and again, ever since our Reservation Era's began.
Why is it, we Natives can't get that excited anymore when we hear our Elders say these things like that?.

What's our destiny to be like?.
Whose cue's are we to follow?.

Everything we have comes from off the reservation?.

I read the complaint's, some Children's families are on Meth, some Children have no food at home, teenage suicides, enough to call in outside help,
other's are in need of housings, while other's had hard times through out the winters, no electricity's, even while some needed electricity for Health reasons, IHS.
all these may become enormously worse problems once we, our people, the people, are absorbed into the care of our State's.
I heard when it comes to Govt. Cuts, we already are one of the first to get cuts.
I can't imagine being under State Jurisdictions.
for better or worse?.


Crow Creek needs something better, What?. Why are we always described in the media as being poor people always in need, while at the same time our councilmembers are in the news for crimes committed against poor people...

What is it, do we have to offer to the American Consuming Public?, that we can use to get out of our tribal debts?.
maybe even to support ourselves. sovereignly.
Without having to always rely on 'courageous' people to stand up for us, with the needed outside help.
As we already have Law, Lawyers and Judges on our reservations.
.
.
. Just a thought before the sky falls.
BRS

Pukwana, SD

#27 Apr 15, 2011
Marlis Big Eagle was a juvenile at the time but her conviction is a matter of record at the courthouse in Fort Thompson. Just as her husband's (Calvin Lawrence) felony conviction for embezzlement is a matter of record. Her brother's (Eric Big Eagle) recent conviction for DUI in Chamberlain as reported in the Chamberlain "Sun" newspaper in March.(Yes, he is Duane's son who is presently a tribal councilman). And soon, Duane Big Eagle himself who is the role model for this "clan" will be a convicted felon for embezzlement and bribery. Oh ya, can't forget Sunny Big Eagle who was also recently convicted of "theft by deception" as reported by the "Sun" in March. And then, there is a Big Eagle's photo hanging on the wall in the "Bottle Shop" in Chamberlain, taken as he was shoplifting (stealing) from them. WOW, the Big Eagle's better be careful, they might get a bad reputation for being thieves. I wish I could find the letter that Diane Big Eagle wrote a few years ago about how "rightous" her husband (Duane) was and how he exemplified how a "real" christian (Jehovas Witness) was supposed to live. As far as I can tell, they are mostly all a bunch of thieves and liars but they try to sell themselves as "descendants" of the honorable Dakota Chief Big Eagle. I'm not to sure the old chief would be too proud of his [so-called] descendants. I'm not a chief but I am a tribal member and I am embarrassed to say I'm from Crow Creek because I am ashamed of Duane Big Eagle and some other crooks on the tribal council. I have to say that so far, Wilfred Keeble and Peter Lengkeek appear to be honest and working hard for the people. The others are just there collecting a check and waiting for an opportunity to enrich themselves at our expense.
Crow Creek Agency wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as i thought this question (above) seems to have been Ignored and unanswered.
As was all the Non-Native Questions on Tribal Chairman Duane Big Eagle Sr.
all Ignored, left to speculations,
and
Heaven Forbidding Rumors.
.
all eyes are watching, past and present.
.
Crow Creek Agency

Denver, CO

#28 Apr 16, 2011
a Quick thought,
( i hope this isn't a dubble post :)

Myself, I think Juvenile Records are irrelevant unless the crimes are repeated as an adult.(?.
Three strikes and their out.

Mr. Duane Big Eagle Sr. a ''Real Christian''?.
Who was actually trying to throw himself down before the mercy of the courts using 114 Acts of Osama Bin Laden.
the Mass Murder of the 9/11 towers.

Interesting, Duane Big Eagle Sr. a ''Real Christian''.
They tell us not to be ''Living in the Past'',( our Ancestors, what?, about 200 years back?).
Duane Big Eagle Sr. himself, was quoted in the news as saying we shouldn't be 'Living in the Past'.
Trying to keeping us from understanding our real History, Traditions, Values, Ideas of our own ancestors, who we Really are.
but; they will Keep taking us back Every weekend ''2000'' years ago into the past to the History of the Holy Race War's between the Romans of Italy and The Jewish people,
before the Newly created Christian Movement, 320 years later.

The Christian Organizations on our reservation talks nothing but of ''Righteousness'',
yet did nothing for the people but watched during their years of complaints of corruptions.(?. Why?.
I recently heard that the people should spend more time thinking and planning Life Before Death,
rather than, spending their time thinking and planning Life After Death.

I for one believe in the stories of our Elders,
past and present,
I would have to first see the DNA test results before I can bring myself to say 'I believe Duane Big Eagle Sr. is a "Direct Descendant" of Dakota Chief Big Eagle'.
sorry, but I really do need to see the proof.

It's to bad, going back to the time when the people all had an equal say with what to do with their tribal lands,
Is going back 'too Far'.

Wilfred Keeble and Peter Lengkeek, We need more of these kind of of guys / women on council.
I'm sure they all see our post's here.
I wonder how far a head can these two see?.


Maybe "The Observer from Chamberlain" should take their Constitution and By-Law ideas to these two council members, publicly.
On the Internet, I see some of these current council members names on other past petitions questioning past council members.

Do it now, before someone else uses the same 'By-Laws' to remove Wilfred Keeble and Peter Lengkeek.
The good guys always seem to end up getting the boot first.

That's probably Why we needed the 'outside help' so badly all these past years.

.
JT Ashley

Muscle Shoals, AL

#29 Jun 27, 2011
Read some good and logical comments in the above threads. The most obvious question I have to ask is, how does an individual like this get voted in as a Tribal Chairman with his track record and lack of any type of formal education to lead a tribe in this day and age. You got to be kidding me. You can blame storm, finger point at council members,chairman and their family members, etc, but really com'on .. tribal members voted him and them in. I'm glad some people see a glimmer of hope and have faith things will change for the better. It's going to take a hell of less talking and more doing to make this change. As my daughter once told me, "don't talk about it, be about it".
Crow Creek Agency

Denver, CO

#30 Jun 28, 2011
TO:
*"{ JT Ashely "The most obvious question I have to ask is,

*"how does an individual like this get voted in as a Tribal Chairman with his track record and lack of any type of formal education to lead a tribe in this day and age."

*"tribal members voted him and them in." }"
,,,,,,,,,,


After all these years of complaints of corruptions, falling deeper into tribal debts,
And; the fact Duane Big Eagle Sr.( a few others ) are back in office on council again
would make me want to question our Principle of Legality.

Maybe these same people like Duane Big Eagle Sr., keep getting back in office because of the things they are giving to the people?, Like Alcohol, and favors, handing out loose change to $20.00 dollars,
( buying votes ).

when 'I' think of the complaints of tribal corruptions and buying votes with Alcohol and such over these past years,
I see these council members as 'preying on vulnerable people'.

You all do realize the federal govt. has classified the Crow Creek Agency / Reserve - reservation.
As "High Risk".

We,,,,'Our' leaders, can't seem to manage our Finances or our own Affairs.
the money, the records, the books, all disappears.

On the Crow Creek Agency, reserve, reservation,
It's the 'Have's everything' V. the 'Have's nothing'.
Not 'All the People' voted for the same people that dragged us into this meltdown.

Look on your land leases, whose names are on the leases?.
Former and Present council members,
friends and relatives of council members ( past & present ).


'Education'(?.
It seems to me, The People of Crow Creek does not value their 'Education',
much less, History, nor, Culture.


We, the Crow Creek tribe, the people, are in need of a Tribal internet website.
it will benefit us greatly.
we can ask for money, we can ask questions, share updates, History, Culture and wacipi music,(pow-wow music).
the people can't do this on their own, our leaders need to help us out here too,
our ''Leaders'' need to '''be about it''',
our "Leaders" need to '''support the people''' too.

to a "Leader", it was All suppose to be about the People.
not just about themselves, or, their own checks, their own properties,
nor, their own establishments...

Selfishness is not a virtual any of us would want to emulate.
.
.
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Big Eagle

United States

#31 Sep 20, 2011
Well if ur ashamed to say your from Crow Creek then don't say it then!!!!! N if it bothers you so much stop complaining and make an effort to do something bout it and dnt hide behind a fake name post your real name!!
Big Eagle

United States

#32 Sep 20, 2011
OMG!!! You act like a DUI is is the worst thing in thw world lol...come on now...and do you even know what theft by deception is?....it just a legal term to make it sound good!....all it was for was a bounced check, I know I was in court with Sunny and it was something she never knew about until then....n I can honestly say Duane Big EAgle has never Stolen from the people as was proven in a court of law and in front of the people!
Big Eagle

United States

#33 Sep 20, 2011
So much complaining! Why do people always dwell on the bad and not the GOOD....maybe then the reservation would advancen cause like they say complaing never gets you any where! Least Duane cares for the people and TRIED!! And didn't steal from the school but worked hard and got the new school. Open minds advance in this world not ones that stay put n dwell on the past! Try it some time. And as for Diane it a shame you talk down on a great friendly caring loving helpful kind hearted women, you should get to know her once, spend some time with her and then we'll see wht you think...I believe your opinion will definatley change.
big LYING THIEVING eagle

Chamberlain, SD

#34 Sep 23, 2011
Big Eagle wrote:
Well if ur ashamed to say your from Crow Creek then don't say it then!!!!! N if it bothers you so much stop complaining and make an effort to do something bout it and dnt hide behind a fake name post your real name!!
You are the one who brought up the subject of "hiding behind a fake name". So if you arn't "ashamed" to tell us then let's hear it. I'll bet you don't because you are just one of those "lying" big eagles.
big LYING THIEVING eagle

Chamberlain, SD

#35 Sep 23, 2011
Big Eagle wrote:
OMG!!! You act like a DUI is is the worst thing in thw world lol...come on now...and do you even know what theft by deception is?....it just a legal term to make it sound good!....all it was for was a bounced check, I know I was in court with Sunny and it was something she never knew about until then....n I can honestly say Duane Big EAgle has never Stolen from the people as was proven in a court of law and in front of the people!
And you act like DUI is nothing to be concerned about. Drunk driving kills more people every year then ever died in all of the present US wars. You must not have a sense of morality at all. But then, you are just an immoral big eagle. As far as the theft by deception charge, that speaks for itself. Theft is committed by a thief and if you give me a bad check when I trust you to pay me for something in good faith, then you just stole from me and I'll think you are a thief. You see now how a big eagle doesn't even know when they are stealing or not. This is why "White Boy" Duane is now a convicted felon. Wise up!
big LYING THIEVING eagle

Chamberlain, SD

#36 Sep 23, 2011
Big Eagle wrote:
So much complaining! Why do people always dwell on the bad and not the GOOD....maybe then the reservation would advancen cause like they say complaing never gets you any where! Least Duane cares for the people and TRIED!! And didn't steal from the school but worked hard and got the new school. Open minds advance in this world not ones that stay put n dwell on the past! Try it some time. And as for Diane it a shame you talk down on a great friendly caring loving helpful kind hearted women, you should get to know her once, spend some time with her and then we'll see wht you think...I believe your opinion will definatley change.
It takes a big eagle to make a statement like that. Wake up and smell the roses. Look around this reservation and see how much good and bad there is. Only now that "White Boy" is gone has there been any improvements and advancement in the community. All the things happening now are because Duane is gone. Before, all the improvements were going toward The big eagle compound up there at north shore (bait shop, boat storage, cafe, motel, hunting lodge, bar, etc.) And we don't even know what else he has in Fort Pierre and other places. As far as dwelling on the past, I'm sure all you big eagle's would love for everyone to just forget about all the misery and pain that "White Boy" has caused throughout the years. That's sorta what tribal politicians count on here on our reservation. That we soon forget about the sh*# they try to pull. Guess what? This is really a new begining and because of this type of technology there will be NO forgetting, ever again. So get used to it!!!
New Beginning

Rapid City, SD

#37 Dec 4, 2012
Ok if these is a new beginning ,,,bring it on. Tired of all the hatred, and non factual comments, this sounds like a hate big eagle blog, and I and many others are not about that. Whoever is writing some of this hate stuff must be related to the Keebles and Lengkeeks. Still stuck on calling Duane "white boy", still stuck in your own muck of hatred. I am not a big eagle but I have relatives who are, we are all mixed, intermarried in some way. Relatives, somehow. For this blogs to be about hating one family, then the administrators should just delete entire piece. How sad to have such haters on our reservations and on this blog. Sad. YES, its time to move forward. And I hope whom ever wrote all these terrible things, go straight to hell. And if your ashamed to be Crow Creek, leave. Take your pitiful self and go live someplace else and stay away. Tired of this but this is my home, my kids, grandkids, and elders and we want to move forward now. And these littel grand children, great grant children we have that happen to have big eagle blood, leave them out of your mouths. Stop judging an entire family. Shut up.
Crow Creek Agency

United States

#38 Dec 6, 2012
Not ‘Haters’, common tribal members with a simple idea ending all this foolishness you call “Anger and Hate”.
Your own angry condemnations to the idea are good samples of the extreme division over this question throughout the years. Maybe it’s time one takes that extra mile step,

For that “New Beginning”, DNA has exonerated many falsely accused or convicted. DNA for Defense – google it.
Otherwise, our only accomplishment was bringing out our hellish tribal argument into the cyber world community without a successful ending, all those wasted years speculating.
How many times in the past, has this issue angered & hurt people?. From Grandpa Day’s to now, 4 or more?, Enough times for us to develop some interest.
We are the Grandchildren too today, Our tribal grandchildren you speak of are sure to one day argue and hurt one another’s feelings over this, just as we all grew up wondering, sometimes even boldly asking, or defending.

This idea is simply opening new doors that can end years of ‘’Hate, Angry, Hurtful insults & feelings’’ we all saw our relatives going through or even experienced ourselves,

Although; I’m curious of your rigorous proof linking the keebles and the lengkeeks to justify your intelligence on either. A terrific example of Crow Creek Rumor spreading’s,‘’keebles, lengkeeks & “Whomever” is writing these terrible things’’, sounds like grasping; people will focus godless acts on families, until discovering their wrong, we can name others, who actually addressed this question publicly.

Argue, point, terrorize, Fact is, without DNA, we’ll always be fenced into the same ole unsettled dirty bucket of ‘godless hellish evil’ angry hateful hurtful insults & arguments. DNA is the unquestionable closure, for our tribe,(Dead or alive).

With all the past corruptions on our reservation, monetary bribes, proves past councils adopted roles of corrupt cash dealing politicians rather than the leaders they proudly portrayed themselves to be. Mistakes were made.
More controlled lawless politicianings; we may find ourselves sovereign-less wards of the State, than we will ALL leave our reservation lives together, borderless, how do you think that will work out for us tribally.

In understanding the history of the question, from past, recently to present, are the messengers really more important than the message?. Is it that terrible to present ideas of a peaceful ending to many years of insulting relatives over this question?, what will you say when you find I may be related to the Big Eagles?, Respectfully eliminating the problem will unify Crow Creek. What greater gift can be given back to the people?

Do not fool yourself into a mistaken belief the power of Hope condemns anyone to Hell, our ancestors were already there since the introductions to the reservation era, If Hope condemned people to Hell; we would all be there together today instead of enjoying comforts of our federally funded, federally protected, sovereign reservations since 1863.
Mitakuye Oyasin
CCST Member

Chamberlain, SD

#39 Jan 13, 2013
badger wrote:
As far as i can see the people need to get behind Peter Lengkeek and Wilfred Keeble and support them! these two councilmen are there for the people and they are there with their hearts. These two are the only one's moving forward and making progress, despite what they are against they still do very well and make things happen! The rest of the council don't do a darn thing, they just waste the people's money, they don't work they don't answer the phone when needed, nothing! They are puppets being controlled from a jail cell, will they ever wake up, i think not! they are incapable, all except Peter L. and Wilfred K.
It looks like Peter Linkee pooped in his own nest by voting to give up our tribal soverignty to the state of South Dakota. He and Eric Big Eagle voted to let SD tax our people at the gas pump. If he is that ignorant then he does not deserve to be our leader. He also tries to be a leader in the Dakota 38 ride but he makes statements like "we forgive everybody for everything" then that shows he doesn't understand the significance of what our ancestors went through and he's letting the wasicu off too easy.
rockyOnTheRocks

Onida, SD

#40 Feb 5, 2013
Plus Peter pushes out good staff from our indian health services. he was the driving force for those acts which is only going to make our services WORSE! No one wants to come work here for us under these shaky conditions.

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