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_Super__Beast__

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Actually you have not read the research. More than 500 communities in the US have banned them, 19 State Supreme Courts and the US Supreme Court has upheld the legal standing to have BSL. Today another woman was attacked by 2 Pit bulls in West Charlotte, mauled and her legs will need further surgeries and rehab. CharMeck is getting progressive, charges against the owners are pending. Start going after the owners, charge them, cost them money and it will go a long way to start solving the proliferation of the breed for the idiots that own them. Too many innocent humans being attacked, mauled and killed. It is the breed doing the deed.
BSL does nothing but cost money.

Many of those communities and State courts are lifting the ban or at least trying to. Read some actual research on if BSL works, then come and talk to me.

Saying that a dog is a pitbull without even showing a picture means nothing. I remember one news station reported that a pitbull chewed off the toes of an infant a few years back, but as it turned out, it was a pet ferret that did it. The news station never corrected it.
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Dec 29, 2012
 
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My counter says 451. lol.
Change is good

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Where is the picture of the dog? Or at least someone who sounds like they know what they are talking about saying that it was a pitbull?
Hey, I can shoot laser beams out of my eyeballs. Do you believe that?
The dog did not stick around long enough to fill out a police report.Have you ever heard of a deer sticking around to fill out a police report? They cause a lot of damage but nobody does anything about it. People love deers and dogs! LOL change is good. I dont listen to people who claim they can shoot lasers out of their eyes! LOL I trust facts.
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No one PREFERS to live in a world surrounded by danger. But it is the reality of this world. If you are old enough to have grandchildren, I would assume that you have a good grip on reality. Apparently not.
It is the liberals such as yourself that have made this nation more and more dangerous. Taking rights from the citizens, assuming that everyone needs their hand held. You have made this nation soft when now, more than ever, you have to have grit. Your age of innocence is long gone, it left when the liberal agenda took over.
The "change" you people want is borderline communist. "Removing" the danger of the world is impossible. Saying that a certain breed of dog is wired for attacking humans is insane. It isnt the dogs, it is the owners. ANY dog will bite or attack if unsocialized and untrained. Most of the "pitbulls" that you hear about on the news ARENT PITBULLS, they are mutts. Unless the BREED IS ACTUALLY VALIDATED BY AN EXPERT, the accusation is void. The media is sensationalist, and know that people like you love to hear that a pitbull bit someone. So they will say it was a pit without actually knowing. It boosts their ratings. Fear mongers like you line the pockets of network owners. This is proven. There are many stories about false identification, but do these news stations come back and say that they were mistaken? Nope.
I am actually a very happy person, lol. I dont dread much of anything except for Monday mornings, lol. And I am even more happy knowing that I can protect me and mine, and that I still have that right. I would hate to go through life being scared of my shadow. What kind of life would that be? You cant really live while being scared all of the time.
I just dont want people telling me what will keep me safe and what wont. If you want that, move to Communist China.
Get your head out of the clouds old timer. If you are old enough to have grandkids, then you had better put on your big boy pants and start living before its too late. I know I wouldnt want to have regret when the sun sets on my life.
PS: Weapons of violence? Any weapon that I have is either for hunting, or for protecting my family and property. Do you know why Japan didnt try to invade this country in WWII? Because they knew the majority of us were armed, look it up.
*Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto -“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”
Are you single and cute? I know you can protect and you hate Mondays. Who doesn't. Happy Monday in 56 minutes.
Keith F

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Jan 5, 2013
 
The 74 year old lady in West Charlotte faces more medical treatment for the damage of the pit bulls. The dogs are put down and the owner was not charged criminally but only served tickets for not obeying leash laws. I guess the $50.00 fine is enough, right? Not one pro pit bull idiot has offered the victim any words of kindness. Reporters did not air one interview of one such idiot who actually tried to blame the victim for putting herself in the path of the pit bulls. She was in her own yard and did not see the dogs were out of their failed containment area. I think the interview should have been aired to show the idiocy of the pit bull lovers. They need to be outed.
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Jan 5, 2013
 
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The 74 year old lady in West Charlotte faces more medical treatment for the damage of the pit bulls. The dogs are put down and the owner was not charged criminally but only served tickets for not obeying leash laws. I guess the $50.00 fine is enough, right? Not one pro pit bull idiot has offered the victim any words of kindness. Reporters did not air one interview of one such idiot who actually tried to blame the victim for putting herself in the path of the pit bulls. She was in her own yard and did not see the dogs were out of their failed containment area. I think the interview should have been aired to show the idiocy of the pit bull lovers. They need to be outed.
Prove to me that they were pitbulls, Moron. Just because the news station says so, doesnt mean that they were actually pitbulls. I highly doubt that there is anyone at your local news station that is an expert in dog identification.

Where are the pictures or video of the dogs? Someone HAD to have taken some pictures of them.

If it is all true, then I feel sorry for the old lady, and the owner needs way more than a measley ticket. The state could STILL press charges. Lets hope they grow a pair and do it. It is owners like the one in the story here that give pits a bad name. If not for owners like the one you are talking about, you wouldnt have anything to complain about.

Do you even know what "outed" means?
_Super__Beast__

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Jan 5, 2013
 
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<quoted text> The dog did not stick around long enough to fill out a police report.Have you ever heard of a deer sticking around to fill out a police report? They cause a lot of damage but nobody does anything about it. People love deers and dogs! LOL change is good. I dont listen to people who claim they can shoot lasers out of their eyes! LOL I trust facts.
So you trust facts, yet you dont have any on the subject?

Heresay isnt a fact.....
Keith F

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Jan 7, 2013
 
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Prove to me that they were pitbulls, Moron. Just because the news station says so, doesnt mean that they were actually pitbulls. I highly doubt that there is anyone at your local news station that is an expert in dog identification.
Where are the pictures or video of the dogs? Someone HAD to have taken some pictures of them.
If it is all true, then I feel sorry for the old lady, and the owner needs way more than a measley ticket. The state could STILL press charges. Lets hope they grow a pair and do it. It is owners like the one in the story here that give pits a bad name. If not for owners like the one you are talking about, you wouldnt have anything to complain about.
Do you even know what "outed" means?
What is meant is outing the ignorant, mean spirited criminal minds that own and defend those animals. After your post I think you are outed. I bet deny that we went to the moon, Elvis is dead or Hitler killed so many. Let's keep outing ignorance.
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Jan 11, 2013
 
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What is meant is outing the ignorant, mean spirited criminal minds that own and defend those animals. After your post I think you are outed. I bet deny that we went to the moon, Elvis is dead or Hitler killed so many. Let's keep outing ignorance.
lol. Mean spirited? Criminal minds?

-President Theodore Roosevelt
-President Woodrow Wilson
-Thomas Edison
-Helen Keller
-General George Patton
-Jack Dempsey

....All were pitbull owners. Man, those were some mean spirited, criminal minded, ignorant people.

Did you know that the pit bull was so respected in the early 1900s that the military chose an image of a dignified pit bull to represent the country on World War I propaganda posters? A pitbull named Sargeant Stubby saved the lives of a whole platoon of soldiers in that same war.

The top drug sniffing dog in this country is a pitbull. There was a whole search and rescue teamed made up of pitbulls that saved many lives and found many bodies during the 9/11 search.

You have "outed" your own ignorance. You know nothing of the dogs you hate. You hate just for the sake of hating. You want to take rights away from citizens. Who is the mean spirited, criminal minded, ignorant person in this conversation?

PS: We went to the moon, Elvis is as dead as Disco, and Hitler killed ALOT of people (not as many as you think, but ALOT still yet).
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#52
Jan 16, 2013
 
Now that's BS cuz I have 4 pitbulls and 3kids its not the dogs fault for being raised the wrong way n not everyone that has one treats then bad and hate people so get your facts right!!
Sam

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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GEEZ! Your ignorance is astounding!
ALL dogs shake their heads when they bite. It can be observed in ANY dog when they are playing with a chew toy. Pitbulls CANNOT lock their jaw, and this is scientifically proven! They have NO MECHANISM for locking the jaw. Pitbulls dont bite any harder than a dog of similar size.
With that being said, pitbull are selected for fighting for a couple different reasons. 1) They have a very high pain tolerance. 2) They dont give up easily. 3) They are easily trained. 4) They are usually extremely loyal to their owners and will do anything to make their owner happy. If they are trained to fight and get rewarded for killing another dog, they will fight until their heart stops beating, all because they are trying to make their owner happy. Its makes me sick!
A dog that will bite a man isnt sought after to be a fighting dog, because the dog has to be easily and safely handled by humans during a fight. If a dog is in an organized fight, and it bites the "referee", it is automatically disqualified, and the owner will usually kill it. It is not the dog's fault if it is owned by a sick, demented, monster of a person. Dog fighters kill a losing or biting dog by electrocution, burning them, shooting them, hanging them, stomping them. They are a very sick group of people.
All dogs are natural predators. And all dogs have the instincts. This is where socialization and training comes into play. Breeding also has alot to do with aggression.
The fear mongers, and the widespread ignorance in this nation has demonized the American Pitbull Terrier. The Pitbull was once known as "America's Dog" and the "Nanny". Pits are more often than not, misidentified in police and news reports.
I agree that a person shouldnt bring a dog to a park if it has problems with other dogs being around. The guy who paid your vet bill, no matter if he is a nice guy, is a bad owner. His ignorance of the breed should disqualify him from ownership. Guys like HIM are why pits attack. You should have sued.
My pitbull is a highly trained and certified service dog. We visit hospitals and retirement homes in the area to comfort the residents.[I loved your response! I would like to say the I have two pits and a Boston terrier myself. They are the most loving and loyal dogs I've ever owned. I love my Boston terrible but I have more of a bond with my pits for some reason. When my dog play with their toys ALL my dogs including my Boston will shake his head when trying to destroy his toys. I would also like to add cause a few have stated "the types of people that own these dogs are drug dealers" while I don't use ANY drugs and I get tested at the hospital where I work, not to mention it would be very stupid considering my husband is a police officer ;)
Keith F

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Jan 22, 2013
 
"Did you know that the pit bull was so respected in the early 1900s that the military chose an image of a dignified pit bull to represent the country on World War I propaganda posters? A pitbull named Sargeant Stubby saved the lives of a whole platoon of soldiers in that same war."

Do you read your own propaganda? About a 100 years of inbreeding and aggressive gene isolation breeding. Do you really want to take me on? So you want to compare dogs from the 1800's up to WWII to justify the epidemic killings of human beings by a vast number of these abused, over-bred aggressively trained and/or neglected dogs? Get real....you are totally unarmed in the battle of information.
Keith F

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Jan 22, 2013
 
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Now that's BS cuz I have 4 pitbulls and 3kids its not the dogs fault for being raised the wrong way n not everyone that has one treats then bad and hate people so get your facts right!!
Ignorance of empirical data is no excuse....
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Jan 23, 2013
 
Ugh, reading all this just peeves me to no end. Stop playing the blame game here.
People get over your damn fears. A dog is a damn dog. Any dog can bite, any large breed has the ability to kill. Get over it.
So sick of hearing that one dog is more dangerous than another. It is discrimination to a breed and broader line discrimination on the owners.
I just don't get it...cause any large breed can kill if trained, threatened, hungry, scared ... whatever the case may be. We will never be rid of these dogs so give it up already.
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Jan 24, 2013
 
Keith F wrote:
"Did you know that the pit bull was so respected in the early 1900s that the military chose an image of a dignified pit bull to represent the country on World War I propaganda posters? A pitbull named Sargeant Stubby saved the lives of a whole platoon of soldiers in that same war."
Do you read your own propaganda? About a 100 years of inbreeding and aggressive gene isolation breeding. Do you really want to take me on? So you want to compare dogs from the 1800's up to WWII to justify the epidemic killings of human beings by a vast number of these abused, over-bred aggressively trained and/or neglected dogs? Get real....you are totally unarmed in the battle of information.
Historically, human aggressive pitbulls have been culled from litters. This is why pitbulls are not NORMALLY human aggressive. Inbreeding wasnt too widespread back then, and it is nearly not practiced today. Today it is only practiced by the backyard breeders, and anyone who does the research like a responsible owner should, would not buy a dog from a backyard breeder. Inbreeding can be bred out in 3 generations.

Any dogs that are prized purebred show type dogs have some inbreeding in their past.

If anything, the ABPT bloodlines have been watered down with other breeds. MY main concern is the lack of purebred breeding. Alot of the dogs that you see today are mutts.

A mere 100 years ago, humans that inbred were accepted in many parts of the country. You can find it in historical documents. Cousins marrying, having children, and repeating the process. Maybe YOU decend from one of those lines, Mongo.

A person like YOU who talks to me about pitbulls is like a person bringing a knife to a gun fight. The info that you have is inaccurate, and you dont even have alot of it, lol. The info that I have is true, and I have tons, lol.

Do YOU want to take ME on?
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Jan 24, 2013
 
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Ignorance of empirical data is no excuse....
Now explain the high scores that pitbulls get during temperament testing.

Do some research. Here I'll give you a headstart.

Google: The American Temperament Testing Society.
Keith F

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Jan 25, 2013
 
granted there are as many (if not more) propaganda sites as opponent sites. But that does not make a draw, the proof is in the stats. More people die from pit bull attacks than all of the other breeds combined. I am talking deaths, not attacks, when attacks are added in the numbers are truly alarming. But the reason that the CDC does not include "attacks" is because so many go unreported. But the deaths are a true number. I understand that you want what you believe to be true, but alas it is not. You have a choice to continue to believe lies or not. So sad if you choose lies. If it is I am people like me believing lies, no one dies, but believing in your lies does kill people. That is the difference, and a pretty significant difference reasonable people would say.
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Jan 25, 2013
 
Keith F wrote:
granted there are as many (if not more) propaganda sites as opponent sites. But that does not make a draw, the proof is in the stats. More people die from pit bull attacks than all of the other breeds combined. I am talking deaths, not attacks, when attacks are added in the numbers are truly alarming. But the reason that the CDC does not include "attacks" is because so many go unreported. But the deaths are a true number. I understand that you want what you believe to be true, but alas it is not. You have a choice to continue to believe lies or not. So sad if you choose lies. If it is I am people like me believing lies, no one dies, but believing in your lies does kill people. That is the difference, and a pretty significant difference reasonable people would say.
The death, bite, and attack stats that you refer to are unreliable. Even the most reliable source, the CDC, states that their stats are unreliable. Learn to read the reports in their whole form, its in the fine print.

The problem with the stats on pitbulls is that they are the most widely misidentified dogs in the nation. It has been proven time and time again by news reports and police reports that were deemed false by breed misidentification. Most of the people who actually DO the studies dont lump just pitbulls into their category, they ALSO group pitbull "type" dogs AKA: Mutts that may or may not have pitbull blood in them.

The American Temperament Testing Society is a reliable source. They test only purebred dogs that are registered with papers. I mean you could have a mutt tested, but they wont include it in their report.

Being a fear monger doesnt make what you say true. And I'm going to say it again, people who think like you are what is wrong with this country.

Any mid sized to large dog can kill a person. The stats and stories that you site are unproven, hence, not factual information.

What you really need to do is focus on the laws that we already have in place that arent being inforced. How would adding more laws help?
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Once again, and please slow down and read. Just because you really really want to believe there is nothing wrong with owning and housing these animals in neighborhoods, around kids or elderly or anyone they would charge at to attack does not make it ok. Everyone in our neighborhoods have the right to be safe. Anything other than agreement to safety is anarchy. These dogs demonstrate with every measurement that "at large" they cannot be trusted around other animals or humans who cannot defend themselves against the strength and tenacity these dogs are bred to have. They have become a "sacrificed" breed, with folks hiding behind erroneous arguments like, "if not this breed then another". Humanity is lost in this whole discussion. We do not allow certain animals around people, the list is long. It is time that we recognize that the potential danger is not worth the "pleasure" of ownership for a few is not a valid argument for the existence of these dangers in neighborhoods around the vulnerable. Tolerance tests are for "provoked" likelihood of attack, it has been scientifically demonstrated over and over again that the danger represented in pit bull attacks is that they are "UNPROVOKED" attacks. 5 year old and 80 year olds sitting on porches and in their own spaces are NOT provoking those killers to cross the property line borders to maul and kill their prey. NONE of us can predict which owners are responsible and which owners are not. Therefore, just like other dangerous animals laws, we restrict the potential danger. Put it this way, there are NO stats on how many residents in the US for how many humans are killed by Bengal tigers attacking them on their front porches or yards or living rooms, but there are stats on pit bulls doing just those things. Why are you choosing to defend the indefensible?
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"My pitbull is a highly trained and certified service dog. We visit hospitals and retirement homes in the area to comfort the residents."

What hospitals and retirement homes? I want to know! I will file suit against those establishments and alert their insurance companies that they are allowing these animals anywhere near the vulnerable. Please be responsible and tell me which ones so I can take it from there. I assure you it will stop. The insurance providers will NOT take the risk of claims.

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