Plow hits two pedestrians

Plow hits two pedestrians

There are 61 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Dec 23, 2008, titled Plow hits two pedestrians. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Police are on the scene of an accident involving a plow and two pedestrians. It happened on Lincoln Lake Ave.

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Rick53

United States

#43 Dec 24, 2008
These plow trucks seem to think they can go like crazy no matter the conditions. The driver should be be ticketed and held responsible for the accident.
jesse

Colorado Springs, CO

#44 Dec 24, 2008
lionsfn54 wrote:
Driving to fast for conditions! Please people, take into consideration, that there are other people on the roads who would like to live a while longer!
I agree. Regardless of how nice a guy the driver was, or how the people shouldn't be near roadway, if you can't slow down or avoid hitting someone-you are going too fast for conditions! If it was over a hill-well, hello, if you're cresting a hill and can't see what's on the other side and it's too slippery to stop quickly-slow down! I hope the driver was ticketed and i'm glad the people were not more seriously hurt.
uh oh

United States

#45 Dec 24, 2008
Kim in Wyoming wrote:
I kinda agree with mi hunter. The thing with only being 19 is not that many years with driving in the conditions we are in. It is different to have someone plowing that has years of experience. You are right about the age of the military, but it is different when you have the driving experience under your belt.
And how does one gain experience? By driving.

If the kid waited until he was thirty to start driving and had no experience, age would not be a factor. And it still isn't.

I am glad all involved are okay.
GR Mich

Tulsa, OK

#46 Dec 24, 2008
You people are morons that just jump to the conclusion that it was the plow drivers fault. Is it his fault because he is 19, or is it because most plow drivers go fast? No one knows how fast he was driving.
Maybe if the other idiot wasn't trying to pull someone out with his pickup he wouldn't have been hit. That is why "real" tow trucks have overhead lights and the drivers where reflective clothing to make them more visible when they are out of their trucks pulling someone out. The driver of the truck that got hit will probably be ticketed for obstruction of traffic because you are not supposed to take it upon yourself to pull people out of ditches.
Just because you have a tow strap and a truck doesn't mean you are a tow truck.
I have a tool box full of tow straps, chains, and a 15,000 winch on the front of my truck and I refuse to pull people out of the ditch for safety reasons. The only thing my truck has is four way flashers for any type of warning. Leave pulling people out to a professional.
Fuel for the Fire

Muskegon, MI

#47 Dec 24, 2008
Rick53 wrote:
These plow trucks seem to think they can go like crazy no matter the conditions. The driver should be be ticketed and held responsible for the accident.
WOW! Such great insight. Were you there? Exactly how fast was he going? Exactly what were the conditions on that specific stretch of road at the time? Exactly where were the people standing, IN THE ROAD, and where was their vehicle? Did the individuals who pulled the van out of the ditch utilize any warning signals to oncoming traffic? Did they have any experience in vehicle recovery?(I am not trying to knock them for trying to help someone - it is just that sometimes adreniline clouds judgment.) So you have seen SOME plowing vehicles going to fast - we all have. I'm sure there are just as many that go slow and are careful. It is amazing how so many people can pass judgments on issues they really know nothing about, other than a few lines they read somewhere. I feel very badly for the two injured people and for the plow driver, and also for the driver of the van who inadvertantly set off this unexpected and infortunate chain of events.
Brother

United States

#48 Dec 24, 2008
MIbowhunter wrote:
<quoted text> I couldn't agree more, most pedestrians dont even try to give an inch to passing traffic. It's almost like they are daring us to hit them. I wish police would monitor pedestrain traffic better or at the very least launch a tv campaign like they do with drunk driving.
Pedestrians don't have to give an inch, they have right of way. Drivers need to slow down, whether they percieve a "daring" attitude in the guy walking across the street or not. Besides, in this case it was not a brash pedestrian crossing the road at a leisurely walk, this was an Accident, plain and simple. Wrong time, wrong place, maybe the driver could have done something to prevent it - but as they say, hindsight is 20/20 - he didn't drive down that road intending to hit them. This is a brother of one of those hit by the way, I'll be visiting him in the hospital shortly.
Brother

United States

#49 Dec 24, 2008
GR Mich wrote:
Maybe if the other idiot wasn't trying to pull someone out with his pickup he wouldn't have been hit.
Why is it trolls thrive on forums like these? Go do something to help someone and spend your time a little more productively, maybe you'll see why they were trying to help. This was not the side of a busy freeway in a city, this was in a very rural area, where people don't always whiz by at 70 mph, but sometimes stop to help. Maybe you should shut your mouth and go spend some time with your family on Christmas Eve, like I'm going to spend time with my "idiot" brother who was just helping...

“November 12th, 2011”

Since: Nov 07

up a tree

#50 Dec 24, 2008
Brother wrote:
<quoted text>
Pedestrians don't have to give an inch, they have right of way.
Dear moonbat, not only are you wrong, that is exactly the attitude that gets pedestrians killed or maimed. A pedestrain at a crosswalk crossing in accordance with the direction of the lights has the right of way. NOT some yayhoo standing in the road or running accross it. Even when they do have the right of way, why is it so hard for you to understand that in a car vs pedestrian accident, the cars win EVERY time. The only person responsible for the safety of a pedestrian IS the pedestrian.

Since: Oct 07

Big Rapids, MI

#51 Dec 24, 2008
Brother wrote:
<quoted text>
Pedestrians don't have to give an inch, they have right of way. Drivers need to slow down, whether they percieve a "daring" attitude in the guy walking across the street or not. Besides, in this case it was not a brash pedestrian crossing the road at a leisurely walk, this was an Accident, plain and simple. Wrong time, wrong place, maybe the driver could have done something to prevent it - but as they say, hindsight is 20/20 - he didn't drive down that road intending to hit them. This is a brother of one of those hit by the way, I'll be visiting him in the hospital shortly.
I'm not trying to be mean about this, and I really hope your brother and his friend quickly recover. But on the way home, buy him some road flares to the next time they decide to do the good guy thing. A flare or two placed back up on top of that hill could have given anybody coming along an early warning.

I hope your family can enjoy some part of Christmas. Peace.

“November 12th, 2011”

Since: Nov 07

up a tree

#52 Dec 24, 2008
Brother wrote:
<quoted text>
maybe the driver could have done something to prevent it - but as they say, hindsight
Isn't it also fair to ask if your brother could have done something different to avoid being hit? Maybe you could tell us what precautions your brother took to notify oncoming traffic of the situation. flashers, triangles, flares, someone flagging cars a short distance behind the obstruction? Is your brother a licensed, insured, wrecker driver? What qualifies him to block a road and assist another motorist? Is he a profeesional driver of any sort? I can applaud his motives and wish him the best, but this was not an "accident" this was a series of mistakes by multiple people that was 100% avoidable. My goal is to make people be not so quick to judge the truck driver not to cause your family any more pain. best of luck to you all. Sorry about calling you a moonbat earlier it was uncalled for.
annoyed

Ionia, MI

#53 Dec 24, 2008
I say both parties share some fault, along with just plain nasty weather. The pedestrians really don't have the right to be in the road, regardless of their good deeds, and the driver failed to control his vehicle. Everyone, whether in or out of a vehicle, needs to be on the defensive. Slow down. Brush off your car to eliminate extra blind spots, and use your lights. Pedestrians, remember that with all this snow, roads are patched with slick spots and the roads are narrower thanks to our seemingly endless snow. Let's just be grateful no one died.
Brother

Grand Rapids, MI

#54 Dec 24, 2008
MIbowhunter wrote:
Is your brother a licensed, insured, wrecker driver? What qualifies him to block a road and assist another motorist? Is he a profeesional driver of any sort?
Yes, he drives big rig trucks in some of the nastiest weather, he knows all about precautions. They did not block the road, they were not even IN the road. The plow truck hit the van that was pulled out, and then proceeded to hit these two men. That could be called driving too fast for the conditions of the road, as control over the vehicle was lost, and this accident occurred. You can't blame me for sticking up for my brother, who is one of the kindest, most helpful people I know. Accidents happen and no one is 100% at fault. My thoughts are with those injured, the driver who must feel awful even though it wasn't entirely his fault, and the person who's vehicle was pulled out. I hope everyone has a safe, peaceful Christmas.
Other brother

Millersville, MD

#55 Dec 24, 2008
Brother wrote:
<quoted text>
Accidents happen and no one is 100% at fault. My thoughts are with those injured, the driver who must feel awful even though it wasn't entirely his fault, and the person who's vehicle was pulled out. I hope everyone has a safe, peaceful Christmas.
Accidents are bad, usually a result of multiple factors that could lead to it being avoided, but in any case, don't blame, just put out your thoughts and prayers to everyone involved. Merry Christmas all!
merry

Colorado Springs, CO

#56 Dec 24, 2008
thanks and prayers to the people who were hit helping someone out of the ditch. A couple Christmas eve's ago i was going home around midnight and went in the ditch-it was difficult to find a working tow truck driver at that time and on Christmas eve, and thankfully a person stopped and helped me get out. It may not be "safe" to have an individual without a towtruck get you out according to alot of people on this forum, but it was a lifesaver for me that night, and thanks to everyone out there still willing to lend a hand to a stranger.
Also-i have to agree with the person who said if conditions are slippery and you're cresting a hill and can't see what's on the other side, please slow down.

Since: Apr 08

Allegan, MI

#57 Dec 24, 2008
Accidents happen.

Today everyone has to point a finger.

Yes, you should be prepared to come to a controled stop in what ever conditions you are driving.

The men in the road should have gotten some other people to help watch for and signal oncoming traffic about a hazard before they put themselves in harms way. It would have taken a little longer but they would all be safer.

Here's to the young man who's not sitting around playing xbox in his mom's basement and here's to the guys who stopped to help the stranded motorist.

You all deserve a pat on the back but accidents still happen.
Victims Friend

Sterling, VA

#58 Dec 25, 2008
Both of the good Samaritans that stopped to help were not in the way of oncoming traffic. The plow driver also had 1/4 of a mile from the top of the hill to stop or to avoid them. Instead he hit a van, then 2 men, and then side-swiped a truck. Then he proceeded to try and pull one of the men (my friend) from the snowbank by his legs. My friend had to kick at him to get him to stop. He had hit my friend with his plow blade. I don't know on what planet it's OK to move somebody that's just been hit by a truck.
Then this kid had the nerve to insist he was only doing 35mph. Then his mommy gets on here and says he honked (as if that makes it better), when my friend told me that he heard nothing before the impact.
in the area

Aurora, CO

#59 Dec 29, 2008
Rick53 wrote:
These plow trucks seem to think they can go like crazy no matter the conditions. The driver should be be ticketed and held responsible for the accident.
how about the people blocking traffic should have been tickited. that is a blind hill and a bad area to be in traffic. why don't you go stand in the road therre and see if the car coming over the hill can stop. This should not be put on the driver these people were in his lane on the wrong side of the road. I have seen the marks on the road.

Since: Dec 08

Lowell, Mi

#60 Dec 30, 2008
To clear things up, the two guys helping the woman who was stuck..they WERE NOT standing in the middle of the road! They were off to the side. There were flashing lights. Everyone else seemed to notice that and slow down. To the mother and all of the people sticking up for the plow driver, YOU are the idiots. He was obviously going way too fast for the conditions. Everyone knows how terrible the roads were. For some reason he decided that he should be able to drive faster than everyone else. Common sense should really kick in at some point. Our brother in law now has broken ribs, spinal fractures and a few other injuries. He came home from the hospital late on Christmas. Nobody got to see him. I'm sure the other man's family is going through the same thing. I apologize to his family for these uninformed people, and wish him a speedy recovery. Mommy, it's not about age. It's the fact that your son should be a little more aware of his surroundings. Before you call our brother an idiot, get your facts straight. All you heard is that two men got hit. You assume they were standing in the road and being stupid, but you ALL are absolutly WRONG. Maybe if you knew any of these men, you could get your facts straight before you start blaming people!
in the area

Farmington, MI

#61 Dec 31, 2008
thesisters wrote:
To clear things up, the two guys helping the woman who was stuck..they WERE NOT standing in the middle of the road! They were off to the side. There were flashing lights. Everyone else seemed to notice that and slow down. To the mother and all of the people sticking up for the plow driver, YOU are the idiots. He was obviously going way too fast for the conditions. Everyone knows how terrible the roads were. For some reason he decided that he should be able to drive faster than everyone else. Common sense should really kick in at some point. Our brother in law now has broken ribs, spinal fractures and a few other injuries. He came home from the hospital late on Christmas. Nobody got to see him. I'm sure the other man's family is going through the same thing. I apologize to his family for these uninformed people, and wish him a speedy recovery. Mommy, it's not about age. It's the fact that your son should be a little more aware of his surroundings. Before you call our brother an idiot, get your facts straight. All you heard is that two men got hit. You assume they were standing in the road and being stupid, but you ALL are absolutly WRONG. Maybe if you knew any of these men, you could get your facts straight before you start blaming people!
First of all my fiance went through there and when someone said that there had been an accident he knew it had to have been there before he was told because they were blocking the road when he came through. Again there were a good 4-5 inches of snow on lincoln lake. I live of the road. They were over a hill and as a matter of fact there was another car in the ditch about 200 ft from there this morning. This kid is not at fault. And as for idiots you should go back throu drivers training and see what they say about obstructing traffic. Last I knew that was a no no expecially in weather like that. Yes I feel bad that people were injured but you have some nerve to blame this young "MAN". He could not have known there was a car in traffic or on the side of the road in those conditions either one is not that safe. I pray that these two guys get better and heal quickly but you can't blame the plow driver in that weather.

Since: Apr 08

Allegan, MI

#62 Dec 31, 2008
thesisters wrote:
To clear things up,
Take a pill sister!

Calling the kids mom names is pointless.

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