Man stabs ex-girlfriend, kills self

A Lowell-area woman was hospitalized after police say her estranged boyfriend stabbed her before taking his own life in a house full of young children. Full Story
Wendy

Greenville, MI

#224 Mar 1, 2009
bunnee wrote:
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SHUUUUT UUUUUUP Wendy, you twit
Officer Hinton was REQUIRED to wait for back up, so it WOULDN'T have mattered if he had gotten there in LESS than the ONLY SIX MINUTES it took him to get there, AND, it ONLY took TWO State Boys AND a Coutny Boy FIFTEEN MINUTES to get there
THINK ABOUT THAT!!: Where the State Boys were likely coming from, it sure as hell wasn't Ada
Officers Saluted
I am not saying I don't salute the officers for putting their lives at risk, and it wasn't their fault they weren't dispatched sooner. However, had the dispatcher sent the call to the right police agency the police would have gotten there a lot sooner! Don't tell me to shut up, and don't call me a twit. I didn't call you names, and I expect the same respect back! Sometimes you can be extremely rude to people on here, and I think people have just about had it. If you can't say anything nice to people or at least be respectful, then take your own advice and shut up!
Wendy

Greenville, MI

#225 Mar 1, 2009
bunnee wrote:
<quoted text>
You wanna b itch about something, b itch about this:
<quoted text>
There are MANY houses nearby, a restaurant right next door and a bowling alley/roller skating center right across the street; Who gives a sh it if the kids have a coat and shoes on for the few seconds it would have taken to get them somewhere from a knife wielding person????
First off, the kids may have been in a room where they couldn't get out a door. I personally would give a s hit if my kids didn't have coats and shoes on when they are all under the age of 7. It's hard enough getting kids around at the age of 7, but to get that many kids around is hard! The children could have gotten frost bite on their feet and so forth. Neither of us were there, we don't know the whole situation that took place. What I do know is that the Central Dispatch Officer should have sent the call to the RIGHT agency the first time! Precious minutes wasted...I can tell you have never worked in an emergency situation, because minutes count for EVERYTHING when someone's life is at risk!
bunnee

Palatine, IL

#226 Mar 1, 2009
Wendy wrote:
<quoted text>I am not saying I don't salute the officers for putting their lives at risk, and it wasn't their fault they weren't dispatched sooner. However, had the dispatcher sent the call to the right police agency the police would have gotten there a lot sooner! Don't tell me to shut up, and don't call me a twit.
So back up arrives in fifteen minutes and Jeff says, "I ain't going to prison" and slits his throat

OR

Back up arrives in 10 minutes and Jeff says, "I ain't going to prison" and slits his throat

Don't say stupidshit, and I won't tell you to SHUUUUT UUUUUP and don't act like a twit and I won't call you a twit
bunnee

Palatine, IL

#227 Mar 1, 2009
Wendy wrote:
<quoted text>First off, the kids may have been in a room where they couldn't get out a door. I personally would give a s hit if my kids didn't have coats and shoes on when they are all under the age of 7. It's hard enough getting kids around at the age of 7, but to get that many kids around is hard! The children could have gotten frost bite on their feet and so forth. Neither of us were there, we don't know the whole situation that took place. What I do know is that the Central Dispatch Officer should have sent the call to the RIGHT agency the first time! Precious minutes wasted...I can tell you have never worked in an emergency situation, because minutes count for EVERYTHING when someone's life is at risk!
911 indicated there was a door or window; get the kids OUT without coat and shoes or stay in there with an out of control knife wielding man.....hmmmmmm.....gosh.....d ecisions, decisions
bunnee

Palatine, IL

#228 Mar 1, 2009
Wendy wrote:
<quoted text>First off, the kids may have been in a room where they couldn't get out a door. I personally would give a s hit if my kids didn't have coats and shoes on when they are all under the age of 7. It's hard enough getting kids around at the age of 7, but to get that many kids around is hard! The children could have gotten frost bite on their feet and so forth. Neither of us were there, we don't know the whole situation that took place. What I do know is that the Central Dispatch Officer should have sent the call to the RIGHT agency the first time! Precious minutes wasted...I can tell you have never worked in an emergency situation, because minutes count for EVERYTHING when someone's life is at risk!
P.S.:........TWIT
tired

Fraser, MI

#229 Mar 1, 2009
I really think it is wrong to go on about how bad of a mother she is for not sending her kids outside in freezing weather. When you are in a situation like this you are not thinking clearly about what to do because you are panicing about what is going on in front of you. She kept trying to keep her kids away and from looking at what was going on. Was there better things she could have done, sure, but at the time she tried to do what she could. She was calling for help and trying to keep her kids away from what was happening. While I am sure there were many problems between Jeff and Jayna, does it deserve to end up in attempted murder and suicide, no. While what Jeff might have been out of anger of things Jayna did, no excuse for murder. I do no believe he tried to do this in front of his family to hurt them, and it is really sad that is has. I just say please stop bashing a family that already must be going through a lot, it is childish and mean. Be better then that, and while you might not like the way things were done, realize those in the situation might not like the choices they made either but will have to live with them for the rest of their lives and will surely think of everything that happened often. There is no need to keep pointing fingers and hurting everyone. It is sad, its over, let the family move on to start healing. To all the people and families involved my heart goes out to you.
bunnee

Palatine, IL

#230 Mar 1, 2009
^^^^

While I understand that there was panic, a reasonable mother's intuition would be to get those kids OUT, ESPECIALLY after the dispatcher suggested it

Either/Or, what is done, is done, and if the girl wants to sit there and insult Police Officer who did a GREAT JOB in this situation, then she can expect some backlash for her own lack of action
bunnee

Palatine, IL

#231 Mar 1, 2009
^^^^^ Should be plural, "Police Officers"
tom

Greenville, MI

#232 Mar 1, 2009
some of you really need a hobby or something,
you really do, and maybe even someone to talk to
about things, huh?
GRmom

Detroit, MI

#233 Mar 1, 2009
Iam still praying for the kids that were involved and family and hope they can get counseling and by the sounds of it so do alot of others i think the family is lucky they had family babysitting not everyone has that option.
bunnee

Palatine, IL

#234 Mar 1, 2009
tom wrote:
some of you really need a hobby or something,
you really do, and maybe even someone to talk to
about things, huh?
I would say that about the people who post on a thread with nothing of value to add to the topic....hope you find someone to talk to, "tom"
SW in Ada

Grand Rapids, MI

#235 Mar 1, 2009
Very well said Tired in Grand Rapids. We can all sit here and say what could of should of been done but we were not placed in this particular situation and had to make such a serious decision under the duress that Megan was clearly experiencing at the time. I knew Jeff's sister, Lori and her daughters, Megan and Nicole when they were quite small but have since lost contact with them. I would occasionaly run into Jeff. He was always upbeat and positive filling me in on how everyone was doing. I can remember how proud he was when he told me that Megan had a baby. This is such a horrible situation and my heart goes out to Jayna's family and friends and the Child's and their friends.
Wendy

Greenville, MI

#236 Mar 1, 2009
bunnee wrote:
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So back up arrives in fifteen minutes and Jeff says, "I ain't going to prison" and slits his throat
OR
Back up arrives in 10 minutes and Jeff says, "I ain't going to prison" and slits his throat
Don't say stupidshit, and I won't tell you to SHUUUUT UUUUUP and don't act like a twit and I won't call you a twit
Wasn't acting like either, and usually the police can talk someone who is suicidal out of doing things they may not otherwise do. You don't know what would have happened if the police had shown up earlier had the CD guy did his job correctly! Why don't you stop acting like a know it all!
bunnee

Palatine, IL

#237 Mar 2, 2009
Wendy wrote:
<quoted text>Wasn't acting like either, and usually the police can talk someone who is suicidal out of doing things they may not otherwise do. You don't know what would have happened if the police had shown up earlier had the CD guy did his job correctly! Why don't you stop acting like a know it all!
Well, ONLY you and the niece think this situation would have a different outcome had it took the TWO State Officers and the County Officer LESS THAN fifteen minutes to get there; Rememer, they were doing 100mph + in a 25mph zone to get to the scene; As a matter of fact, folks who had already left their places of employment in Lowell and were between Ada and Lowell called back to their places of employment to give a "heads up" on Police Cars travelling faster than they've ever seen em' travel; Perhaps had the niece had her LOCAL Police Department phone number programmed in her phone, we wouldn't be having this conversation either
uh oh

Grand Rapids, MI

#238 Mar 2, 2009
From what I hear he was drinking. Drunk? Don't know.

Not all the kids, but one or two were in the room when he did it.

He slit his throat.

This is a HORRIBLE thing for anyone to witness but for a child, it will definitely leave some emotional scars.

Too sad.
bunnee

Palatine, IL

#239 Mar 2, 2009
uh oh wrote:
From what I hear he was drinking. Drunk? Don't know.
Not all the kids, but one or two were in the room when he did it.
He slit his throat.
This is a HORRIBLE thing for anyone to witness but for a child, it will definitely leave some emotional scars.
Too sad.
Also, the oldest children were 5 & 6 years, and they will have problems as long as the adults allow it; If the children aren't reminded of it ALL THE TIME, there is a good chance they will forget about it; The problems the children have with it largely depends on how the adults handle it
tom

Greenville, MI

#240 Mar 2, 2009
bunnee wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, ONLY you and the niece think this situation would have a different outcome had it took the TWO State Officers and the County Officer LESS THAN fifteen minutes to get there; Rememer, they were doing 100mph + in a 25mph zone to get to the scene; As a matter of fact, folks who had already left their places of employment in Lowell and were between Ada and Lowell called back to their places of employment to give a "heads up" on Police Cars travelling faster than they've ever seen em' travel; Perhaps had the niece had her LOCAL Police Department phone number programmed in her phone, we wouldn't be having this conversation either
you, and some of the others rambling on this topic, need to go somewhere and find a life. you really do.
friends of Jeff Childs

Hudsonville, MI

#241 Mar 2, 2009
I would just like everyone to know that before the day of these tragic events, Jeff was a kind, and gentle soul. Jeff loved kids and was very patient and kind to them. We use to call Jeff our big teddy bear and that is who he was. There is so much to this story that stangers will never know.I just don't want people to think that he was always bad. I do not agree with what he did by any means but there are lots of people grieving for this loss. He was a great friend and he will forever be missed.
Simon

Grand Rapids, MI

#242 Mar 2, 2009
bunnee wrote:
Doggonit,^^^^^ just ticks me off
First call @ 4:38pm and Officer Hinton was there at 4:44pm ...HE WAS THERE IN SIX MINUTES
Protocol REQUIRES him to wait for back up and there was a County Officer there WITHIN FIFTEEN MINUTES OF THE INITIAL CALL
I know someone who was standing outside of his place of employment when the County Car and the two State Cars went by and he said they HAD to have been traveling 100mph on Main Street in Lowell to get there....THEY WERE TRAVELING AT 100mph IN A 25mph ZONE TO GET TO THIS SCENE and all this girl can do is b itch that they weren't there quick enough
Megan, your uncle was on a mission, his last words as Officers approached the house were, "I'm not going to prison," and it wouldn't have mattered if they approached the house ten minutes sooner, he would have just slit his throat ten minutes sooner
Once again, ALL Officers who responded to this unfortunate situation should be saluted
Very well said.
Wendy

Greenville, MI

#243 Mar 2, 2009
bunnee wrote:
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Well, ONLY you and the niece think this situation would have a different outcome had it took the TWO State Officers and the County Officer LESS THAN fifteen minutes to get there; Rememer, they were doing 100mph + in a 25mph zone to get to the scene; As a matter of fact, folks who had already left their places of employment in Lowell and were between Ada and Lowell called back to their places of employment to give a "heads up" on Police Cars travelling faster than they've ever seen em' travel; Perhaps had the niece had her LOCAL Police Department phone number programmed in her phone, we wouldn't be having this conversation either
Most people I know DO NOT have the local police dept. phone number or central dispatch phone numbers programmed into their phones. I on the other hand have the central dispatch number programmed into my phone just in case there is ever a problem. However, were I to call Central Dispatch or the local police dept. and my information was transferred to the WRONG agency and I had to make multiple phone calls until it was finally transferred to the right place, I may have died or someone else may have died due to the waiting game! I understand the police have to wait for backup, which usually doesn't take much longer than when the first officer arrives on the scene. Point being, the dispatch officer needs to be better trained in how to handle transferring the calls to the correct department. If this had been a child whose throat had been cut or badly injured people would be IRATE that it took so long for police to arrive. THAT was my whole point! I am sure there are more people who agree besides me and just the niece that haven't spoke up (probably afraid of someone jumping all over them if they have a diff. opinion!). Anyhow, everyone has their own opinion, this is mine, and I don't think it's right to call people names or tell them to shut up because you don't agree with their opinion! Be respectful of others' opinions, even if you don't agree!

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