Standoff ends peacefully; 2-year-old safe

A two-year-old is reunited with his mother after a man surrendered to police following a six-hour standoff at a home. Full Story
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Amber North

Lowell, MI

#1 Apr 29, 2008
Thank goodness nothing bad happened
lisa l

Mount Pleasant, MI

#2 Apr 29, 2008
I am glad to hear no one was hurt but i would have never left my child inside with him alone.

“...all but 6...UNLESS”

Since: Mar 08

The Merry Ol Land Of Oz

#3 Apr 29, 2008
THIS is the kind of stupidity I've referenced in other discussions

The owners of the home are listed on the county's website as Lisa Moorhouse and Jacob Olthoff.

Though she didn't want to talk on-camera, the woman told 24 Hour News 8 her child was never in danger. Her husband, she said, was intoxicated when he lost control. She was unable to get past him to get their son, who was sleeping upstairs.

She said her husband is an Army veteran who lost his job last year, that money is tight and their unemployment is running out. That combination, plus the alcohol, led to the incident.

The woman was able to get to a neighbor's home to call police.

He was drunk, out of control, likely depressed, pulled a gun, the woman felt the need to escape and call police, but...nobody was in danger
Gonzo

Detroit, MI

#4 Apr 29, 2008
"money is tight" hey we don't have much money so let's spend what little we have on enough alcohol to get drunk.

Alcohol - the all purpose problem solver.
jim

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Apr 29, 2008
we dont have any money so lets get drunk at 11:30 in the morning.. her child was never in danger!!!! some people!!!!
Gail in Wyoming

Wixom, MI

#6 Apr 29, 2008
I can't believe how many people do stupid things and blame it on someone or something else (no money, alcohol, etc.). There are a lot of people out there hurting or suffering over something, but they don't pull a gun and go crazy.

Thank God the child is okay, and the incident ended without anyone getting hurt.
Reflex

Redmond, WA

#7 Apr 29, 2008
lisa l wrote:
I am glad to hear no one was hurt but i would have never left my child inside with him alone.
As someone familiar with the family involved, the man is the child's father. The child has never been harmed by him and there was no real danger to the child involved. He slept through the incident from what I understand.
jim

Grand Rapids, MI

#8 Apr 29, 2008
Reflex wrote:
<quoted text>
As someone familiar with the family involved, the man is the child's father. The child has never been harmed by him and there was no real danger to the child involved. He slept through the incident from what I understand.
if no one was in danger why were the police called?????????
Reflex

Redmond, WA

#9 Apr 29, 2008
Because it was a domestic dispute and the wife had been threatened with a firearm. The question above was about the child, who was never threatened, and who the father had never had a history of threatening, and who slept through the entire incident.

My point was to clear it up, the danger was between the husband and wife, leaving the child in the house in no way put the child at risk as the child was not threatened in any way and had never been threatened historically.

Since: Apr 08

Rockford, Michigan

#10 Apr 29, 2008
jim wrote:
we dont have any money so lets get drunk at 11:30 in the morning.. her child was never in danger!!!! some people!!!!
The news article said 11:300PM. That would be at night.
jim

Grand Rapids, MI

#11 Apr 29, 2008
Jeffrey Gray wrote:
<quoted text>
The news article said 11:300PM. That would be at night.
ooops you are right sorry bout that!!!!

“...all but 6...UNLESS”

Since: Mar 08

The Merry Ol Land Of Oz

#12 Apr 29, 2008
Reflex wrote:
Because it was a domestic dispute and the wife had been threatened with a firearm. The question above was about the child, who was never threatened, and who the father had never had a history of threatening, and who slept through the entire incident.
My point was to clear it up, the danger was between the husband and wife, leaving the child in the house in no way put the child at risk as the child was not threatened in any way and had never been threatened historically.
the guy was DRUNK, OUT OF CONTROL, AND IT LOOKS LIKE EVEN DEPRESSED.....and the child was not in danger???

you must share the sandbox that the mother has her head in

Since: Apr 08

Rockford, Michigan

#13 Apr 29, 2008
:)
Reflex

Redmond, WA

#14 Apr 29, 2008
rval2 - No, but once again there was nothing the mother could do, and there was no history of violence towards his child. I'm not sure what sandbox you seem to think everyone is in habiting, but its a heck of a stretch to go from 'drunk and depressed' to 'homicidal maniac'. After all, his anger was at the mother and as he had her at gunpoint already, he could have killed her on the spot if he'd wished.

Its too bad so many people just assume the absolute worst. She did the right thing. She got out and got the police, who responded appropriatly.
michael g

Madison, WI

#15 Apr 29, 2008
When I read the headline I thought, I wonder how long until a family member stumbles on the topic and tells us all he's a "great guy" who just is having a "tough time".

After reading the article though, the wife already beat everyone to it.

“...all but 6...UNLESS”

Since: Mar 08

The Merry Ol Land Of Oz

#16 Apr 29, 2008
Reflex wrote:
rval2 - No, but once again there was nothing the mother could do, and there was no history of violence towards his child. I'm not sure what sandbox you seem to think everyone is in habiting, but its a heck of a stretch to go from 'drunk and depressed' to 'homicidal maniac'. After all, his anger was at the mother and as he had her at gunpoint already, he could have killed her on the spot if he'd wished.
Its too bad so many people just assume the absolute worst. She did the right thing. She got out and got the police, who responded appropriatly.
Reflex- WRONG...people are WHO they ARE...I'd bet my last buck at a Vegas table that there have been NUMEROUS signs of that this type of thing could happen.....sorry, you will not convince me otherwise
Reflex

Redmond, WA

#17 Apr 29, 2008
No idea what to tell you then. No one felt the child was in danger, not the police, not the mother, not the family. I guess people can invent their own little fantasies if they like about what happened, its certainly more entertaining I suppose than listening to those who were present or who are familiar with the situation.

And its obvious I cannot convince you of anything, your mind was already made up long before you hit the comments.

michael - Isn't that just too true?*sigh*

“...all but 6...UNLESS”

Since: Mar 08

The Merry Ol Land Of Oz

#18 Apr 29, 2008
Reflex wrote:
No idea what to tell you then. No one felt the child was in danger, not the police, not the mother, not the family. I guess people can invent their own little fantasies if they like about what happened, its certainly more entertaining I suppose than listening to those who were present or who are familiar with the situation.
And its obvious I cannot convince you of anything, your mind was already made up long before you hit the comments.
michael - Isn't that just too true?*sigh*
Come up out of the sand for air...ready?

If No One felt that the child was in danger, Why were the POlice called??? hmmmmmmm

Why didn't the mother just go to a friend's house and spend the night while he slept it off??? hmmmmm

Deeper...think deeper
Reflex

Redmond, WA

#19 Apr 29, 2008
[quote]If No One felt that the child was in danger, Why were the POlice called??? hmmmmmmm[/quote]
Because, as per the article, he had already assaulted the mother and threatened her with a firearm after damaging property. That is a crime, when that occurs you call the police.

[quote]Why didn't the mother just go to a friend's house and spend the night while he slept it off??? hmmmmm[/quote]
I do hope your not serious. Your answer to domestic violence is to 'go elsewhere till he settles down'???
Wendy

Greenville, MI

#20 Apr 29, 2008
Reflex wrote:
<quoted text>
As someone familiar with the family involved, the man is the child's father. The child has never been harmed by him and there was no real danger to the child involved. He slept through the incident from what I understand.
Even though the man is the child's father...does not mean there is no imminent danger. Parents do things to hurt their children all the time. The man was drunk and wouldn't let his wife through to get their son. This woman should also be held accountable for the child's danger because she just shrugs it off like it's no big deal. The husband needs to get some serious help. I understand money is tight (lost my job from Electrolux), but no one should be drinking THAT early in the morning! After calling the Police I would have had my husband thrown in jail until he agreed to get some much needed help! My children are MUCH more important to me than a spouse who chooses to drink and could eventually be harmful to one of my children or myself.

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