Backtalk: 3/31/2008

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LOW EXPECTATIONS: Unfortunately, Question 1 will not pass in Chelmsford. Too many people have had their children educated and they don't care about other people's. Chelmsford IS THIS A PRANK?: I love the irony. Full Story
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Sick of It

Chelsea, MA

#1 Mar 31, 2008
To Low Expectations: I, and many others my age are child-free. Our parents paid their monetary debt to the public schools when we attended. Why now, should we constantly be asked to reach deeper into our shallow pockets and continually fund, fund, fund? Taxes and the cost of living have skyrocketed and to ask people on fixed incomes or those of us who are our sole support to keep on giving is ludicrous. There is no help for us and we're beyond squeezed.

If people wish to have 2,3,4 children they should be assessed on that basis-the more you have, the more you pay to educate them. Since when does it become everyone else's responsibility to constantly pay tax/fee increases?

I know I'll get a lot of flack for this comment, but I'm just sick of paying more than my share. Period.
hmm

Norwalk, CT

#2 Mar 31, 2008
The same reason I am paying taxes towards the police, fire and elderly services programs. I have never used them so should I not have to pay to help fund them?? Of course not.
It's a democratic society, that is why we pay.
lowering the bar

North Brookfield, MA

#3 Mar 31, 2008
Sick of it,

I agree with you. I've always felt that families should share a greater portion of the tax burden, as they are the ones using the most municipal services.
her

Windsor, CT

#4 Mar 31, 2008
Not necessarily what if you have a child in private school? Should those parents get a break from taxes.. They are not using the school system.
Kevin from Lowell

Plymouth, MA

#5 Mar 31, 2008
Sick of It wrote:
To Low Expectations: I, and many others my age are child-free. Our parents paid their monetary debt to the public schools when we attended. Why now, should we constantly be asked to reach deeper into our shallow pockets and continually fund, fund, fund? Taxes and the cost of living have skyrocketed and to ask people on fixed incomes or those of us who are our sole support to keep on giving is ludicrous. There is no help for us and we're beyond squeezed.
If people wish to have 2,3,4 children they should be assessed on that basis-the more you have, the more you pay to educate them. Since when does it become everyone else's responsibility to constantly pay tax/fee increases?
I know I'll get a lot of flack for this comment, but I'm just sick of paying more than my share. Period.
So your saying you don't care about your grandkids,their kids and children in general?
Concerned

Wellesley, MA

#6 Mar 31, 2008
I agree with Kevin. I think we should tax the crap out of the elderly and their senior center on Groton Rd, tax them like crazy for all their calls for chest pains and slip and falls. They call 911 all the time. I've never called and I have 3 kids. Heck, hike up the cost of their Medicare while we're at it for all I care. I'm not old yet!!!!
Big mouth

Dracut, MA

#7 Mar 31, 2008
Sick of It wrote:
To Low Expectations: I, and many others my age are child-free. Our parents paid their monetary debt to the public schools when we attended. Why now, should we constantly be asked to reach deeper into our shallow pockets and continually fund, fund, fund? Taxes and the cost of living have skyrocketed and to ask people on fixed incomes or those of us who are our sole support to keep on giving is ludicrous. There is no help for us and we're beyond squeezed.
If people wish to have 2,3,4 children they should be assessed on that basis-the more you have, the more you pay to educate them. Since when does it become everyone else's responsibility to constantly pay tax/fee increases?
I know I'll get a lot of flack for this comment, but I'm just sick of paying more than my share. Period.
Dear Sick of it,

Highly educated young adults are less likely to break into the homes of the elderly.
Kevin from Lowell

Plymouth, MA

#8 Mar 31, 2008
Concerned wrote:
I agree with Kevin. I think we should tax the crap out of the elderly and their senior center on Groton Rd, tax them like crazy for all their calls for chest pains and slip and falls. They call 911 all the time. I've never called and I have 3 kids. Heck, hike up the cost of their Medicare while we're at it for all I care. I'm not old yet!!!!
Wow! I'm not exactly in favor of taxing the CRAP out of anyone, but I do believe we have a responsibility to take care of our kids(American kids) and our elders. You are right. What older people with no children don't spend in educating children they use in other services such as medicare,EMS etc.
Sick of It

Tewksbury, MA

#9 Mar 31, 2008
Lowering, thank you (Mimi).

Kevin and Concerned, the elderly have paid MORE than their fair share all their lives. They have earned it and deserve the care they're owed. You *will* be old at some point and hard-pressed to pay for even the basic necessities.

Big Mouth, you're right, but that's not the schools' job-it's the parents' job to instill the difference between wrong and right in their kids.

And it's 'always the children and the schools' that are used as scapegoats for additional taxes, and BTW, there are no kids or grandkids on my end, Kevin, and never will be. Prop. 2 1/2 was the best thing that ever happened and cities and towns need to learn to live with that, cut out huge administrative pay increases and get rid of the dead wood. The rest of us have to live within our budget, so why can't they?

Say what you will about my comments-enough is quite enough! No more overrides!
Tyngs Mom

Lowell, MA

#10 Apr 1, 2008
Sick of it, What you are saying makes no sense.
Many of us have been paying for the schools before we had children and will continue to long after ours have gone through the system. What your saying is because you do not have children, you should not have to help support public education.
Well,
I don't drive in the winter, so I don't want to pay for plowing.
I don't use the senior center, so I don't want to pay for it.
I don't use the library, so I don't want to pay for it.
I don't drive on Lakeview, Frost, or Pawtucket Blvd, so I don't want to pay for those roads to be kept.
I don't use Medicare, so why should I pay for it.
All these statements are ridiculous.
lowering the bar

North Brookfield, MA

#11 Apr 1, 2008
Mom,
Everyone uses the roads. Everyone has access to the library. Everyone will get old and use senior services.
The school system takes up more than half the budget of any city or town. Many specific services have some sort of fee based charge added on in addition to the portion paid by taxes. There is no reason that families with school age shouldn't be expected to pony up more money for the services they use.
her

Windsor, CT

#12 Apr 1, 2008
Why should it change now it has been this way forever. I went to private school so my mother shouldn't have paid a thing, will she be receiving money back? I doubt it. She is a senior now, but she still pays. Where do we draw the line? That is the problem. We all help each other, I think that is the point. I think I will send my children to private schools so I should get a break from these taxes right? Seems silly to me we are going to change the way it has been for centuries. I am an only child most families had more so why don't we pay my family back for all the taxes they paid towards families who had five. If I die at 59 I cant use the senior center (you need to be 60) does my family get a rebate, because I couldn't use it? If I am handicap and can't drive should I get a tax break because I don't use the road? If I am blind and can't read should I get a tax break from the library? Where does it end?
Deidre

West Hartford, CT

#13 Apr 2, 2008
lowering the bar wrote:
Mom,
Everyone uses the roads. Everyone has access to the library. Everyone will get old and use senior services.
The school system takes up more than half the budget of any city or town. Many specific services have some sort of fee based charge added on in addition to the portion paid by taxes. There is no reason that families with school age shouldn't be expected to pony up more money for the services they use.
You are correct that the school budget takes up the majority of the town's budget. But look at the number of children it services.
Special Ed mandates from the state and federal level kill the budget in that special ed students receive the majority of the money. It is the "regular" child, and I am not being discriminatory, who is being hurt.
This is not a local issue and needs to be addressed at the state level. The amount of funding for special ed deeply cuts into the per pupil expediture.
Schools too are not exempt from the rising costs. I see my utilites on the rise - the schools too use utilities. How can they possibly survive on a budget the same as last year - or as we are seeing - with deep cuts? It just doesn't make sense.
You are being very discriminatory to say that people with children should "pony up". We are a town and need to act as such.
lowering the bar

North Brookfield, MA

#14 Apr 2, 2008
Deirde,
You use the word 'discriminatory'. I'm single, which means I pay the most in taxes because of no family write offs, yet I use the least amount of public services? Isn't that discriminatory?
Deidre

West Hartford, CT

#15 Apr 2, 2008
I don't beleive that you get family "write-offs" at the town level. I would pay the same taxes if I had 1 kid or 10.
lowering the bar

North Brookfield, MA

#16 Apr 2, 2008
Deidre wrote:
I don't beleive that you get family "write-offs" at the town level. I would pay the same taxes if I had 1 kid or 10.
For property taxes and vehicle excise taxes, yes, we pay the same. I was referring to state and federal income taxes. I should have been more specific. Most municipalities receive a great deal of state and federal aid, which prompted me to make the distinction.
Deidre

West Hartford, CT

#17 Apr 2, 2008
lowering the bar wrote:
<quoted text>
For property taxes and vehicle excise taxes, yes, we pay the same. I was referring to state and federal income taxes. I should have been more specific. Most municipalities receive a great deal of state and federal aid, which prompted me to make the distinction.
The state and federal start off providing aid for mandated programs, but then they switch the burden to the towns, unfortunately. It is very frustrating, yet we have to pay for them. We are fighting the battle in the wrong place(local towns) with the wrong people(school committee/selectmen). It should be at the state level.

“Uncommon Sense”

Since: Jan 08

Westford Mass

#18 Apr 2, 2008
I don't think the proper point has been raised in this thread. Of course we should all pay for community services--education, fire,police, plowing whether we use them or not. They are what make a community. The point that prevailed with the "No" vote was that more needs to be done to control costs. We already pay a lot to fund these programs and I would bet that there has been some cost sontrols in place. All to the good. But read what has been written in the last few weeks. The "No" voters want town employees to face the same challenges that they do---cycles without raises when times are tough, changes to health care plans, accountability, the need to be more productive--and they don't see the town unions willing to work with them on this. Until there is some willingness to discuss these items overrides will have a tough go.
They don't want to be called selfish for their feelings. A lot of money is spent on education and police and fire and plowing and there was no appreciation expressed by the "Yes" folks for waht is done. There was an effort by many to explain the finances as they stand--but too many "Yesses" just whined--but they didn't make a compelling case and sell the point of view because there was no give on the employee side.
The town needs to make the cuts( not making the cuts will tell people that the overrride was a sham) and do the best with what they have and answer some of the issues the "No" voters have. Maybe the results will be different the next time.
Kevin from Lowell

Plymouth, MA

#19 Apr 2, 2008
I think one way of controling the cost of education would be to have our schools get back to teaching reading, writing and arithmatic. To much of our schools budget is spent on things that parents and other family members should be taking care of. Drug and alchohol provention, teen pregnancy, all the way down to the most basic behaviors of human interaction. These are things that our schools shouldn't be dealing with.

“Uncommon Sense”

Since: Jan 08

Westford Mass

#20 Apr 2, 2008
Kevin from Lowell wrote:
I think one way of controling the cost of education would be to have our schools get back to teaching reading, writing and arithmatic. To much of our schools budget is spent on things that parents and other family members should be taking care of. Drug and alchohol provention, teen pregnancy, all the way down to the most basic behaviors of human interaction. These are things that our schools shouldn't be dealing with.
You are correct sir! Accountability at home--responsibility at home--and if there is a need for some of this other Socila education, do it with volunteers in the evening or on line or cable access TV. Technology is there. Innovate!

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