Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63534 Jan 25, 2013


Overtaxed wrote the following in Quotes

OK---I will do this in short segments.

1.You wrote: "I believe we are all in this great experiment called the "United States" together.

Only to a leftist is this an experiment. However, all you got to do is look at history, socialism does not work. To me it is life

2.You wrote: "Some of you folks think you are self sufficient, you don't need anything from anyone ....until you do. You take for granted what is provided by all taxpayers for the benefit of all citizens which COULD NOT exist without the whole".

A true Jim Jones type of fellow. Everybody needs somebody. Everybody needs help but not to expense of their freedoms. In your mind Everybody works and everybody gets a part of the rewards. What happens when someone does not work and still wants rewards? Throw them out like the communes of the past did. Were do you throw a citizen of the U.S.??? At what point do you consider this experiment a failure. When 47% of the people don't work but get rewards, 52%, 60%,70%?????? When???? Because it is going to happen. "WHY SHOULD I WORK FOR A PAYCHECK WHEN I CAN DO NOTHING, GET ON WELFARE AND GET THE SAME AMOUNT OR MORE."

You are wanting to force people to work on what you tell them too. And if it is not 'in your mind'
going to help the whole, it is not worth doing. When over 50% consume the whole amount the other -50% can make, what happens. We put them in mines, force them to work. How many people are going to starve. We send millions of dollars worldwide for food yet we have starving right here. I think your 'pie-in-the-sky' will take this country to the precipice of destruction. Now that is my opinion. I would not be in a commune but rather raise my own food for me and my family. Yes, if some starving person came up, I would feed them, but Jesus said:"You can give a person a fish and feed him for a day or you can teach him how to fish and feed him for a lifetime" What happens when you teach him how to fish and then he refuses to fish. Do you continue to feed him or let him DIE, perhaps put him in a debtors prison away from prying eyes. There is now about 30% of the people out there that don't work and won't work. The other 15% cannot work? Who do you want to keep up?
All of them want the rewards??????

Since: Oct 11

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#63535 Jan 25, 2013
BC resident wrote:
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My spouse was put on disability at 54 for severe copd. After 24 months medicare automatically kicked in. On the other hand if a person retired at 62 they cannot get medicare until the age of 65. I am 65 and now receive widow's benefits.
You are entirely correct in what you posted. But, I was not aware of the 24 months Disability Rule until it was posted, for the reason I previously explained, referencing my Dad being in his early 60's when he became ill.
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63536 Jan 25, 2013
Really Sassy wrote:
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Could be the Company Owners and /or the Majority of the Stockholders are Anti-Gun! That's what it sounds like to me! They do have that "Right", you know! And I've been reading that alot of Companies are Anti-Gun...of ANY kind!
Yes you are right. but if 300 million gun totters don't do business with these companies, are the 50 million left going to keep the companies up. They have the right to do any thing they want to, but If I don't believe in it , I do not have to do business with them. They lose because in a capitalistic someone will start a business that caters to those totters much the same a liberals and conservatives alike gyrate to one part of the country or the other. In socialism, I would be forced to do business with them even if I did not agree with what their philosophy is. One other point. Philosophy is ok until you try to ram it down someones throat. Is that what I am doing to you----No. I hope that my views persuade you to the more conservative side but by no means is it forcing my opinion upon you. I can almost bet that at least one other credit card company will cater to the totters. "Yippie Caye Yeah!"

Since: Oct 11

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#63537 Jan 25, 2013
Pete wrote:
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You have yet to present one fact in any of your 1000+ posts. All of them have been strictly your opinion and bashing others for having their own opinion that differs from yours. Links to editorials are not facts. Your opinion is not a fact. References to your interpretation of current events are not facts. You can't reason with me because I am simply pointing out the obvious - in your mind, you are liberal or you are a demon. And then you call others closed minded. Your a hypocrite and I am simply calling you out on it. It's not hard to see.
Lied again, didn't you? Alot of them have been Reputable News Articles, but you will still call them a Lie , if they don't agree with your preconceived "opinions", and that's all they are..."opinions', because you don't have very many Facts. You won't read or listen to them, and that's why you, and your "opinions", are irrelevant!
Now, go bug somebody else, because I'm not interested in a thing you have to say!
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63538 Jan 25, 2013
Nuh wrote:
There were fairly clear policy rules once upon a time. If you wanted to pass gun control, you would get up, use a bunch of kids as props and put in a Senate bill that would get the job done. Thatís still being done, but itís only the tip of the iceberg.
Obama Inc. is consolidating control over the economy which puts its minions in the position of being able to make policy through economic pressure and policy. Under Socialism, you donít have to pass a law, you just have to use your economic control to make the companies enforce the law.
Growing government control over banks and investment companies, directly and indirectly, allows those institutions to be used to target firearms manufacturers.
Cerberus was bullied into dropping the Freedom Group which includes Remington and Bushmaster. Bushmaster has become a special target for the anti-2nd amendment movement. Now Rahm Emanuel is demanding that TD Bank and Bank of America end their lines of credit to firearms manufacturers unless they come out in support of Obamaís war on the Bill of Rights.
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/obam...
If I were the banks, Had rather lose CHICAGO than lose the rest of the country

Since: Oct 11

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#63542 Jan 25, 2013
Honestly wrote:
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Yes you are right. but if 300 million gun totters don't do business with these companies, are the 50 million left going to keep the companies up. They have the right to do any thing they want to, but If I don't believe in it , I do not have to do business with them. They lose because in a capitalistic someone will start a business that caters to those totters much the same a liberals and conservatives alike gyrate to one part of the country or the other. In socialism, I would be forced to do business with them even if I did not agree with what their philosophy is. One other point. Philosophy is ok until you try to ram it down someones throat. Is that what I am doing to you----No. I hope that my views persuade you to the more conservative side but by no means is it forcing my opinion upon you. I can almost bet that at least one other credit card company will cater to the totters. "Yippie Caye Yeah!"
No, I didn't for a minute feel like you were trying to ram your philosophy down my throat and I do respect your opinion because of the way you presented it. I, also, happen to agree with alot of what you said.
The risk of losing Business is something that I'm sure the Owners took into consideration and, obviously, they didn't deem it enough of a Risk to change their Minds or their Actions. Only time will tell if they are right or wrong.
I'm going to post this again, even though I've posted it many times before...I am Liberal on somethings, mostly a Person's Right to live their own Lives and make their own decisions about their Life, as long as they aren't hurting anybody else...and about helping those in need, including our Nation itself. I believe in fair and equal for ALL, and in helping those who aren't equal to have a chance of becoming that way, economically...and providing their Life-sustaining essentials, if they never can be equal, economically. That makes me a Liberal, I guess. I think it just makes me a compassionate Human Being, but I suppose that is open to One's intrepretation of what makes a compassionate Member of the Human Race.
I am a Moderate on other issues and even, a Conservative on a few!
To my way of thinking, it's not the Ideology that matters, it's just common sense applied to benefit as many People in this Country as possible, and to do the least amount of damage to as Few as possible...and to the Country, herself, while holding true to the Principles this Nation was founded upon, as closely as possible. Considering the ways things change as time goes on, and always will, that's not an easy thing to do. But, we've always pretty much managed to do it, from the day this Nation was discovered, with a few errors, that had to be corrected, along the way...and we should always strive to continue on that path of 'bigger and better", that has served us so well for all these years. Going backwards, on any Issue or Policy, is NOT an option, for the Nation or ANY of it's People, IMO!
To quote the Military..."Either Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way"...is the way I see it and I don't like it, when you won't do any of the Three Choices!
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63545 Jan 25, 2013
Really Sassy wrote: " I believe in fair and equal for ALL, and in helping those who aren't equal to have a chance of becoming that way, economically...and providing their Life-sustaining essentials, if they never can be equal, economically."

There is one line in the above that make you a liberal. Can you see it. Now you may not mean it that way but that is what it means by todays standards. If I were farmer and have a few acres that I worked and toiled to pay for then I would want the farmer down the road (his family left him 500 A)to split that land up along with my land and equally give it to all the farmers.NO??????????

OK lets try another. My father and mother worked at a factory all their lives to buy food and pay the bills. We never had much but it was ours. Because the food and bills took up all the money, I could not go to school to become something. Ok, I'll get a pall grant, go to school to be a business person on Wall Street.(that pall grant does not have to be paid back, it is just free money taken from someone else and you say it is taxes not taken.) When I find a job, my taxes will help someone else. Oh, wait a minute. because I am on Wall street I have to turn over 60-70% of my hard earned money (notice how everybody's money is hard earned regardless how they got it). That's not right----OOPS

Have you guessed it yet??? Well----"I believe in fair and equal for ALL" This means that all of the above are true. Not everyone can be equal whether it is body size, looks, IQ, etc. To try and make everyone equal is a "pie-in-the-sky" look at things. The only problem is that once these people (we help get equal) get there, they don't want to be equal any more. No I worked my way up here. Just because he divided ACres up, I have been the one to make them work or so-what if I had a pall grant, I was the one who studied and worked for that degree. I deserve this job and no I am not turning most all of my hard earned money over.

And the Pendulum swings in a different direction.
lol

Jackson, TN

#63546 Jan 25, 2013
Really Sassy wrote:
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I think you should start reading the Links that I've put up, to try to educate People like you, that don't have the faintest idea of what they're talking about!
If you won't even try to educate yourself about what Obamacare is, how it will work, who it will cover and what it will cost them...then, you don't even need to be commenting on it, PERIOD!
I didn't even understand it myself...and I read everything that was out there, but more and more is starting to come out about it as the time for it to fully go into effect, is drawing closer. I'm posting the Links as that information is coming out and I am finding it.
BTW, I don't think it was deliberately kept secret. I think that since the Teapublicans have blown so much money , trying to Repeal it, that All the Press wanted to wait and see if it "remained the same" or if it remained at all, before they reported alot of information that might turn out to be all fictitious, by 2014, the time that it will all be fully implemented, unless something changes this year, which is still a possibility!
well anyone can see the links you pu up only make people look like dumbasses,you're a perfect example of that,nasty slut
lol

Jackson, TN

#63547 Jan 25, 2013
put
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63548 Jan 25, 2013
Really Sassy wrote: " I believe in fair and equal for ALL, and in helping those who aren't equal to have a chance of becoming that way, economically...and providing their Life-sustaining essentials, if they never can be equal, economically."

Second part: "and providing their Life-sustaining essentials, if they never can be equal, economically."

We always have. At the old hospital, the county used to run it. People who could not pay were not turned away. It was called indigent care. The county ,your tax dollars paid for it. People across the country have never been turned down for emergency care based upon their ability to pay. In fact it is against the law. Elective surgeries, Yes, we do that. Pre-existing conditions could have been fixed by more competition across state lines or simply a bill that states they (insurance Co.) must supply this. This all and no one would complain.

It is disability, medicare, medicaid, TENN Care and many other state run health care agencies that took the place of some parts of Medicare. We, put them in housing that is paid for. Give them food stamps, Have a pharmacy program that pays a whole bunch for their medicine and so-on and so-on. If fact, they get to where they make too much from a bundle of these items to get on some the other programs.

WEll, it is not that then--- while they are not equal, we are taking care of them. I have no problem paying medicare with my paycheck or for that matter paying a employers part of medicare. Then what is the problem that the liberals want to be fixed. AH_____Next session.
lol

Jackson, TN

#63549 Jan 25, 2013
here's proof foe the dumbasses on here that said an ar-15 was used in the sandy hook mass shootings. watch this
So they finally had to come out and admit it, now that the Coroner has released some info along with police.

An AR-15, or the so-called "Assault Weapon", was not used in the school shooting. The shooter even tried weeks earlier to buy a rifle but was turned down in the background check. So he had to kill his Mother to steal her rifle. There were initial reports, right after the shooting, that police found the AR-15 in his car, NOT IN THE SCHOOL. The rifle was not used. The shooter went into the school with 4 handguns, NOT an Assault Rifle as the media has charged. I remember in the initial hours of this shooting, the Police said they found the rifle in the car. But the Administration-controlled MSM had a pre-planned attack already waiting, to ban so-called assault weapons and jumped on that line of reporting, knowing it was a lie, which included people like Piers Morgan who said the shooter used an AR-15 that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute, as if it were a machine gun. Could it be that the Democrat Liberals and THEIR MEDIA were pushing for the new law, hoping they could do it, before the Coroner released the info? Absolutely.

VIDEO: http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/502084...
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#63550 Jan 25, 2013
Nuh wrote:
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Several years ago (at least 12) I went to him in Jasper when I was sick and my regular doc couldn't see me soon enough. He checked me out and all - but then said he couldn't write me a prescription. I was like - WHAT?!?!? Just what good is a doc who can't write prescriptions?
Turns out he was under some sort of disciplinary action from the state board of docs or whatever it is for something he had done back then. I only went to him that one time...and I didn't vote for him the last two rounds either.
.....just un-believable, even after the patients he slept with(while he was married) and some he made get abortions, he ran on the Pro-Life/Family Values platform and won.
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63552 Jan 25, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>.....just un-believable, even after the patients he slept with(while he was married) and some he made get abortions, he ran on the Pro-Life/Family Values platform and won.
Hey if it is good enough for Billy, It is good enough for Del??? or what ever his name is.

Since: Oct 11

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#63553 Jan 25, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>well anyone can see the links you pu up only make people look like dumbasses,you're a perfect example of that,nasty slut
Since I usually don't say a word, it's all the words of the One who wrote the News Article...I would say that means you ARE a Dumbass...and you know it!

Since: Oct 11

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#63554 Jan 25, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>.....just un-believable, even after the patients he slept with(while he was married) and some he made get abortions, he ran on the Pro-Life/Family Values platform and won.
Just proves that some People will vote for any caliber of Person, as long as they are as sorry as the Voter...or sorrier!

It seems that the Teapublicans have somehow managed to get it all backwards. Instead of voting for somebody who is more capable than them, they go out of their way to find the Sorriest Candidate in their area and then, they vote them into Office.
And People wonder why this Country is in such a mess! Most of you, in this State, should know! If you don't and you voted for somebody like this Guy, take a look in the mirror and then, you will know, because you'll be looking at the cause of the problem!

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#63555 Jan 25, 2013
Honestly wrote:
Really Sassy wrote: " I believe in fair and equal for ALL, and in helping those who aren't equal to have a chance of becoming that way, economically...and providing their Life-sustaining essentials, if they never can be equal, economically."
Second part: "and providing their Life-sustaining essentials, if they never can be equal, economically."
We always have. At the old hospital, the county used to run it. People who could not pay were not turned away. It was called indigent care. The county ,your tax dollars paid for it. People across the country have never been turned down for emergency care based upon their ability to pay. In fact it is against the law. Elective surgeries, Yes, we do that. Pre-existing conditions could have been fixed by more competition across state lines or simply a bill that states they (insurance Co.) must supply this. This all and no one would complain.
It is disability, medicare, medicaid, TENN Care and many other state run health care agencies that took the place of some parts of Medicare. We, put them in housing that is paid for. Give them food stamps, Have a pharmacy program that pays a whole bunch for their medicine and so-on and so-on. If fact, they get to where they make too much from a bundle of these items to get on some the other programs.
WEll, it is not that then--- while they are not equal, we are taking care of them. I have no problem paying medicare with my paycheck or for that matter paying a employers part of medicare. Then what is the problem that the liberals want to be fixed. AH_____Next session.
You are so wrong about the first two paragraphs. I didn't read any further because it's obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Having worked at two Hospitals , in the BUSINESS Office, I can tell you that, Number1...the same thing happened to our county hospital and the county pays them whatever they charge the County for Indigent Care on a Yearly basis , included in the County Budget!

Number 2...it is NOT illegal for a Hospital to turn Patients away that can't pay. they do it all the time! What they do is transfer the Patient to a County-owned Hospital that receives Gov't. funding. If a Gov't.-Funded Hospital turns a Patient away they will lose the Gov't-Funding. But, as soon as you are discharged from the Hospital, they turn your account over to a collection Agency and they will literally hound you to death until you start paying something, even if it's just 5 dollars a week, but you better pay it every week and don't miss a week, or the Hospital will sue you!
I didn't read your Post any further than that because you are under all the wrong impressions and there was no need to read further, for me to know it!
Pete

Elizabethton, TN

#63556 Jan 25, 2013
Really Sassy wrote:
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Since I usually don't say a word, it's all the words of the One who wrote the News Article...I would say that means you ARE a Dumbass...and you know it!
Good grief woman! What do you mean by "I usually don't say a word"? You have close to 600 posts on this forum all filled with your tedious words. I bet the word Teapublican and the words Fox News show up by themselves in your posts over 1,000 times.

You say you seek facts, well here are some facts -

You are not a political intellectual

Your political intelligence is limited to your ability to surf the internet all day looking for anyone or anything that agrees with your liberal agenda.

You're very immature with your slanderish comments toward those who disagree with you and your childish references with the word "Teapublican."

Anyone who has the time to blaspheme, criticize, condemn, and abuse those who don't adopt a far right liberal philosophy on an opinion forum 24 hours a day either has mental problems or is just not that smart.

Anyone who posts link after link of mindless blogs and editorials expecting everyone to read them and to try to appear as an intellectual is simply someone who has too much time on their hands or someone who is very far removed from reality.

Calling people out for things you say and do yourself is called a hypocrite. Learn the definition of that word because that is you.

I am posting this info not to converse with you but to let others know what an imposter you are. If someone simply reads only one of your posts, they simply think you are a crazed, opinionated liberal. For some people it will take reading about three of your posts to learn that you are actually an internet, armchair forum troll. I am simply trying to save some people some time by pointing out what you really are instead of having them spend the time to read about three of your posts to find out for themselves.
Pete

Elizabethton, TN

#63558 Jan 25, 2013
Really Sassy wrote:
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You are so wrong about the first two paragraphs. I didn't read any further because it's obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Having worked at two Hospitals , in the BUSINESS Office, I can tell you that, Number1...the same thing happened to our county hospital and the county pays them whatever they charge the County for Indigent Care on a Yearly basis , included in the County Budget!
Number 2...it is NOT illegal for a Hospital to turn Patients away that can't pay. they do it all the time! What they do is transfer the Patient to a County-owned Hospital that receives Gov't. funding. If a Gov't.-Funded Hospital turns a Patient away they will lose the Gov't-Funding. But, as soon as you are discharged from the Hospital, they turn your account over to a collection Agency and they will literally hound you to death until you start paying something, even if it's just 5 dollars a week, but you better pay it every week and don't miss a week, or the Hospital will sue you!
I didn't read your Post any further than that because you are under all the wrong impressions and there was no need to read further, for me to know it!
Oh great, now you are an ex-healthcare worker. With all the jobs you claim to have had and all the things you claim to have done, why are you now relegated to simply posting on Topix forums all day?

Since: Oct 11

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#63559 Jan 25, 2013
Pete wrote:
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Oh great, now you are an ex-healthcare worker. With all the jobs you claim to have had and all the things you claim to have done, why are you now relegated to simply posting on Topix forums all day?
I'm Retired and 65 years old, Dumbazz! It's about time, don't you think!
I worked my Azz off since my Twenties, sometimes 2 and 3 jobs, at a time, plus raised 2 Kids. I EARNED my Retirement!
Pete

Elizabethton, TN

#63560 Jan 25, 2013
Really Sassy wrote:
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I'm Retired and 65 years old, Dumbazz! It's about time, don't you think!
I worked my Azz off since my Twenties, sometimes 2 and 3 jobs, at a time, plus raised 2 Kids. I EARNED my Retirement!
If you actually did that, I agree, you earned time to do whatever you want to do. i doubt you actually did this though. You have stated you have done many things. Once you said you were a business owner, now you are an ex-healthcare worker. Next week it will probably be an ex-policwoman or something of that nature.

Even if you did indeed earn your retirement, you have not earned the right to criticize and condemn others for having opinions different than you. I hope you didn't raise your two kids that way.

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