AEP plans for Big Sandy?

AEP plans for Big Sandy?

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KYpower

Whitesburg, KY

#1 Oct 11, 2012
Anyone Know what AEP plans to do with the Big Sandy Power Plant? Be good to know since they provide a good portion of our operating funds in the form of property taxes, not to mention jobs.

Are they going to move? If they switch to Natural Gas that won't create many longterm jobs, but I don't see them continuing to burn coal because of the price.
Ilda

United States

#2 Oct 11, 2012
That plant is over sixty years old, it would be unlikely to expect them to continue using it even if they were to burn coal soon.

I think what you'll see is what you already have right now, if they aren't going to use it then they will simply walk away and leave the decommission of the plant for the residents of the county to foot the bill.
George

Elkview, WV

#3 Oct 18, 2012
They are waiting to see if Romney gets president. If he does, buy some dust masks to protect yourself from all that pollution.
Romney will sign a exec. order allowing the plant to open the smoke stack wide open.
Go Romney

Winchester, KY

#4 Oct 18, 2012
sorry George, would you rather wear a dust mask or eat dust? Blow smoke stack blow, we need jobs here and without them us 55 % won't be able to pay for your foodstamps, medical cards and medicare and meals on wheels and all the benifits you now injoy. You worried about pollution then clean out your own house most of you live in more contamination than is healthy for humans, dogs and cats in your homes and most live in utter filth and your women wear enough hair spray and perfume to strangle a mole so tell me about your pollution. Burning candles that will choke the average human and heavy sprays to cover up unpleasant odors in the home is killing more people than factory pollutants ever will, get over it and let that burr head go back to chicago and scam them.
not waiting on any elects

Winchester, KY

#5 Oct 19, 2012
That power plant, has been designated by AEP along with 20 others around our area, to be "converted" to be used with natural gas.
amos moses

Cynthiana, KY

#6 Oct 19, 2012
Go Romney wrote:
sorry George, would you rather wear a dust mask or eat dust? Blow smoke stack blow, we need jobs here and without them us 55 % won't be able to pay for your foodstamps, medical cards and medicare and meals on wheels and all the benifits you now injoy. You worried about pollution then clean out your own house most of you live in more contamination than is healthy for humans, dogs and cats in your homes and most live in utter filth and your women wear enough hair spray and perfume to strangle a mole so tell me about your pollution. Burning candles that will choke the average human and heavy sprays to cover up unpleasant odors in the home is killing more people than factory pollutants ever will, get over it and let that burr head go back to chicago and scam them.
good to know people like you are on this topix page at 2 in the morning paying all these taxes for all these lazy people.how much do you make surfing all these gossip sights in the wee hours.well its almost 6 and unlike you i have to go to work so i can actually pay my fair share.sleep well.
real talk

United States

#7 Nov 15, 2012
To those who continue to complain about the pollution being put out by coal-fired power plants, sit down and think long and hard about what life's going to be like without electricity. Coal-fired plants make up between 70-80% of the electricity in this country. Get rid of coal, and you'll be in the dark for years. Yes, years. You're looking at probably at least 25-30 years to get enough "clean" energy plants built and put in commission before coal can be eliminated. So, contine complaining about the pollution and continue to require coal-fired plants to install scrubbers and such. You WILL foot the bill with drastic increases in your monthly bills. Face it, what companies have a billion dollars to spare?
U got it right

Winchester, KY

#8 Nov 15, 2012
Good to see a response on here from someone that has a functioning brain. These idiots act like building and converting these coal powered structures is like the gov. writing their welfare checks, poof and it's in the mail box, not so, by the time the changes are made that this stupid socialist president has spouted off about for four years he will be bald and with dentures not just grey hair and big ears. Those employed at our power plants will have retired and our children will be looking for jobs, but if you have set on your a-- and drew a ssi check or welfare and foodstamps thats what they will do, they are what they learn from you, so work and show them a different way of life. I have worked all my life and have mine made and live a very comfortable life, no debt no worry but i can see what is comming down the road and the hand writing is on the wall and it isn't pretty either so better wake up America while you have something to wake up to.
Pollution

Winchester, KY

#9 Nov 15, 2012
Let's talk about pollution, cars, coal stoves, wood stoves, cig. smoke, resturants that deep fry and cook with oils, perfumes, hair sprays, cleaners, odor maskers, you name it we have it, the least of which is from the coal burning power plants. What do the other things mentioned here give in return? some pleasure maybe, but our power plants give electricity with which the other things would have little to no value to us. A large percentage of our people heat with coal/wood and in doing that it is not regulated but does cause polution. Tell me you can't pass through town and smell the frying, cooking from the resturants, fumes from cars/trucks and then you want to complain about a plant that provides a service you desperately need and expect to be taken seriously or as if you were an intellegent person? I think not.
raven

Fort Gay, WV

#10 Nov 15, 2012
I watched a 90 min. interview with Native American Russell Means of the Lakota Nation. This was placed on youtube. He speaks not only of capitalization,but also of big government and how the country's citizens have been "dumbed down."" So what has happened with our educational system and job growth? Look at our political rulers. Yes, what else are they. Mr. Crow says and I agree that the education system has become like a reservation. We are locked into a system that is failing. What's different between a 1939 education and one of today. Bureaucratic bull. Just like the EPA and the O Administration imposing fines and restrictions so darn heavy that (1) the business is eliminated or (2) goes overseas. Hilary and Bill have been investing their finances in Cuban businesses to try to make a profit. So, hey why care about the little Ol U.S. of A. I doubt the plant will reopen. Obama wants to go green full force. I don't have a problem with conserving and having a clean earth and air quality. I just don't believe cutting jobs and forcing business to shut down prematurely without something to relplace that business. This country will not have a growth in its economy if these tactics keep occurring.
raven

Fort Gay, WV

#11 Nov 15, 2012
Aerosol inhalers were removed from the pharmacy shelves. Now, to get an inhaler it takes a prescription. Air fresheners on the other hand remain galore. It's stupidity and nonsensical. The governmental policies take a $15 dollar medicine eliminate it from the shelf.? Who's paying more? We are. Simply do the facts. Ironic and pathetic to me. No regard for the public's health. It's all about going green alright. Fat Cats in Washington,D.C. Greedy bunch.
raven

Fort Gay, WV

#12 Nov 15, 2012
raven wrote:
I watched a 90 min. interview with Native American Russell Means of the Lakota Nation. This was placed on youtube. He speaks not only of capitalization,but also of big government and how the country's citizens have been "dumbed down."" So what has happened with our educational system and job growth? Look at our political rulers. Yes, what else are they. Mr. Crow says and I agree that the education system has become like a reservation. We are locked into a system that is failing. What's different between a 1939 education and one of today. Bureaucratic bull. Just like the EPA and the O Administration imposing fines and restrictions so darn heavy that (1) the business is eliminated or (2) goes overseas. Hilary and Bill have been investing their finances in Cuban businesses to try to make a profit. So, hey why care about the little Ol U.S. of A. I doubt the plant will reopen. Obama wants to go green full force. I don't have a problem with conserving and having a clean earth and air quality. I just don't believe cutting jobs and forcing business to shut down prematurely without something to relplace that business. This country will not have a growth in its economy if these tactics keep occurring.
I meant Haitian business. Bill And Hillary investing in another country...
natural gas

Cynthiana, KY

#13 Nov 16, 2012
real talk wrote:
To those who continue to complain about the pollution being put out by coal-fired power plants, sit down and think long and hard about what life's going to be like without electricity. Coal-fired plants make up between 70-80% of the electricity in this country. Get rid of coal, and you'll be in the dark for years. Yes, years. You're looking at probably at least 25-30 years to get enough "clean" energy plants built and put in commission before coal can be eliminated. So, contine complaining about the pollution and continue to require coal-fired plants to install scrubbers and such. You WILL foot the bill with drastic increases in your monthly bills. Face it, what companies have a billion dollars to spare?
real talk wrote:
To those who continue to complain about the pollution being put out by coal-fired power plants, sit down and think long and hard about what life's going to be like without electricity. Coal-fired plants make up between 70-80% of the electricity in this country. Get rid of coal, and you'll be in the dark for years. Yes, years. You're looking at probably at least 25-30 years to get enough "clean" energy plants built and put in commission before coal can be eliminated. So, contine complaining about the pollution and continue to require coal-fired plants to install scrubbers and such. You WILL foot the bill with drastic increases in your monthly bills. Face it, what companies have a billion dollars to spare?
Coal fired power plants make 30% of total energy generation in this country not 70% not 80% not even 50%. Before the natural gas boom, it was 50%.

Then fracking happened, incredily cheap natural gas along with combined cycle gas turbines, makes the entire process 60% more efficient with the same amount of energy.

To make it simple, AEP, can produce the same amount of electricity for much less money simply by using natural gas.

And much to the contrary than the belief of some people on this thread, no one in this country but coal miners, want to use coal, that is the reality of the world we live in, just the same that nobody in this country got into an uproar when machines replaced farm work, no one will get into uproar when natural gas replaces coal, they call it progress.
raven

Fort Gay, WV

#14 Nov 16, 2012
natural gas wrote:
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Coal fired power plants make 30% of total energy generation in this country not 70% not 80% not even 50%. Before the natural gas boom, it was 50%.
Then fracking happened, incredily cheap natural gas along with combined cycle gas turbines, makes the entire process 60% more efficient with the same amount of energy.
To make it simple, AEP, can produce the same amount of electricity for much less money simply by using natural gas.
And much to the contrary than the belief of some people on this thread, no one in this country but coal miners, want to use coal, that is the reality of the world we live in, just the same that nobody in this country got into an uproar when machines replaced farm work, no one will get into uproar when natural gas replaces coal, they call it progress.
You are positively correct. The only problem I see is living in a home that's completely electric. It might take some time for the conversion process. Intelligent response. great;)
blowitup

Paintsville, KY

#16 Nov 17, 2012
I heard they're going to demolish it and build an amusement park and casino, The natural gas can run everything...Also The US is going to be the worlds #1 oil and gas producer, which we knew that 50yrs ago we capped our wells and took all of the Saudi's oil, now we will be #1 in the world, google it, check out the specifics of it. The new casino and amusement park will create alot more jobs than the powerplant ever did, the only way you could ever get a job at the powerplant anyways was if you was family or a mason, trust me I know...
blowitup

Paintsville, KY

#17 Nov 17, 2012
Another thing, "clean coal", that's a bunch of horseshit, look at the cancer rates in this region...The smoke coming from the powerplant,ak steel, and calgon is completely harmless...Coal don't burn clean, uncle sam is also going to make people put "scrubbers" on their chimneys, if they burn coal...If coal is so clean then when you go camping with your kids make the fire out of coal instead of wood...We need to sell the coal to all these different countries that want and need it, and then once we got them hooked on coal, we could do what OPEC has been doing for yrs. with oil, and we could charge want we wanted or they wouldn't have electricity, just like OPEC has been doing us, if we don't pay $100 a barrel then we couldn't drive so commerce of any kind would be screwed...Now that we've sucked them dry, we'll produce our own oil and gas...People need to work and have a job to got to, I'll work for a coal co., I don't give a damn who they sell it to, as long as I can feed my boys and pay my bills...Get smart, do some reseach and try to be prepared and not scared...God Bless
fresh air

Salyersville, KY

#18 Nov 17, 2012
Coal can be burned without polluting the air. The Japanese have designed a system that allows the pollutants to enter the ground. They then recycle the soil. It is a very interesting idea and may become the start of a new coal boom.
good luck

Winchester, KY

#19 Nov 17, 2012
fresh air wrote:
Coal can be burned without polluting the air. The Japanese have designed a system that allows the pollutants to enter the ground. They then recycle the soil. It is a very interesting idea and may become the start of a new coal boom.
It won't unless natural gas supply drops and its price goes up.

With the same amount of energy in gas and coal, gas will product 60% more.

When you add scrubbers and pump the CO2 into the soil, you need three times the amount of coal to produce the same amount of electricity without scrubbers.

Face it, coal is going to die in this country, natural gas killed it.
intheknow

United States

#20 Nov 18, 2012
It doesn't matter if it generated with coal, gas or whatever. Since OBAMA was relected your electric bill will be going UUUUUUP.
you dont know vry much

Prestonsburg, KY

#21 Nov 18, 2012
intheknow wrote:
It doesn't matter if it generated with coal, gas or whatever. Since OBAMA was relected your electric bill will be going UUUUUUP.
Prices would have to go up regardless of who got in the office.

No president ever sits down in the office and says "you know what... I want to raise the price of electric for everyone"

There is something called the utilities commission, every state has one, and they are the ones who decide to allow rate hikes or not.

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