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who cares

Richmond, KY

#1 Jun 3, 2009
do you think its a good program to get on or not and why?
who cares

Richmond, KY

#2 Jun 3, 2009
suboxone that is what im talking about
Here it is

Fort Gay, WV

#3 Jun 3, 2009
Yeah it's a great program if you just want to wean yourself off of pills. Not something I would recommend anyone use for a long period of time. They say you should maintain for a year, but that's crazy. I was on Suboxone for about 4 months and when I came off of it I had withdrawls. Not as bad as the withdrawls I was having with the pain killers but still uncomfortable. They say it's better than methadone, which I guess it is in it's own way. But any kind of "replacement" drug is sketchy. I know people who have used it just to get over the first week or so of withdrawls and then they just stop all together and do it cold turkey from there on. Much better idea, and the worst of the withdrawl is over.
KY MAN

United States

#4 Jun 3, 2009
who cares wrote:
suboxone that is what im talking about
I think it is just a trade for one addiction for another. Does this drug get a person high?......I know a person that has been on this drug for over a year and his dr. is still giveing it to him. I just feel enough is enough. It dont take over a year to wing a perdon off a pain killer. I feel all this addictions are in most of the peoples minds.
KY MAN

United States

#5 Jun 3, 2009
who cares wrote:
suboxone that is what im talking about
perdon = person
bubba joe

Richmond, KY

#6 Jun 3, 2009
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I destory homes,I tear families apart.Take your childer, and that's just the start.I'm more costly than diamonds,more precious than gold,The sorrow i bring is a sight to behold.If you need me I'm easily found,I live all around you-in schools and in town.I live with the rich;I live with poor,I live down the street, and may be next door.My power is awsome. Try me you'll see,But if you do, you may never break free.Just try me once and i might let you go,But try me twice,andi may own your soul.When i possess you, you'll steal and you'll lie,You do what you have to-just to get high.The crimes you'll commit for my narcotic charms, Will be worth the pleasure you'll feel in your nose, lungs, or arms.You'll lie to your Mother; you'll steal from your dad,When you seetheir tears, you should feel sad.But you'll forget morals and how you were raised,I'll be your consciece,i'll teach you my ways.Itake KIDS from Parents,and Parents from KIDS,Iturn people from GOD,and separate friens.I'll take everything from you,your looks and your pride,Ill be with you always and stay by your side.You'll give up everything- your family, you home,Your frinds and your money-then you'll be alone.I'lltake and take ,till you have nothing to give,When i am finished, you'll be lucky to live.If you try me be warned- this is no game,If given the chance, i'll drive you insane.I'llravish your body;i'll control your mind.I'll own you completely;your soul will be mine.The nightmares i'll give you while lying in bed,Tvoices you'll hear,from inside your head.The sweats,the shakes,andthe visions you'll seeIwant you to know,these are all gifts from me.But, then it's too late,and you'll know in your heart,That you are mine, and we shall not part.You'llregret that you tried me,they always do.But you come to me,noti to you.Youknew this would happen,many times you were told.But you challenged my power,and chose to be bold,You could have said no,and just walked away,If you could live that over, now what would you say?I'll be your Master,you'llbe my slave.I'll even go with you,when you go to your GRAVE.Now thats you've met me, what will you do?The decision is yours. Its all up to you .Ican bring you more misery than words call tell,Come take my hand ,let me lead you to hell.

Found this on Fort Gay topix. it really hits home and speaks the truth about drug use. Hope everyone reads this.
Here it is

Fort Gay, WV

#7 Jun 3, 2009
Addiction in your mind? Well duh, I mean it's considered a "Mental Disease"..But it's not something you ever just get rid of like any other mental disease..Bipolar,Depression,ec t. It has to be maintained..You might stay clean for years and then one day relapse. But you will ALWAYS BE AN ADDICT. No matter what, you will always battle the addiction in some way. I know I am an addict. I was sober yesterday, and today, but tomorrow I could slip (Don't plan on it) but that's the evil. And withdrawls? They're physical just as they are mental. I hate when people say just stop..Well it's not that easy you have to get the help or you'll never get sober..
bubba joe

Richmond, KY

#8 Jun 3, 2009
Here it is wrote:
Addiction in your mind? Well duh, I mean it's considered a "Mental Disease"..But it's not something you ever just get rid of like any other mental disease..Bipolar,Depression,ec t. It has to be maintained..You might stay clean for years and then one day relapse. But you will ALWAYS BE AN ADDICT. No matter what, you will always battle the addiction in some way. I know I am an addict. I was sober yesterday, and today, but tomorrow I could slip (Don't plan on it) but that's the evil. And withdrawls? They're physical just as they are mental. I hate when people say just stop..Well it's not that easy you have to get the help or you'll never get sober..
Good luck
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Fort Gay, WV

#9 Jun 4, 2009
:) Thank you
KY MAN

United States

#10 Jun 4, 2009
Trying nopt to degrade anything about this topic, all am (was) trying to get across is that, this drug is used for winging patients of pain meds.etc. But I do think after a being on this suboxone for a year a DR. should have already winged someone off of whatever. Instead I fill the DR. is (will) keep giveing to get..(MONEY) That is and always has been a prob. all around here.
mercer

Ashland, KY

#11 Jun 4, 2009
How long has SUBOXONE been used to treat opioid dependence?
Buprenorphine has been available as SUBOXONE in the United States since 2003. In Europe, buprenorphine was introduced during the mid-90s. Today, more than 400,000 opioid-dependent patients worldwide have been treated with buprenorphine.
Suboxone contains a combination of buprenorphine and naloxone. Buprenorphine is an opioid medication. Buprenorphine is similar to other opioids such as morphine, codeine, and heroin however, it produces less euphoric ("high") effects and therefore may be easier to stop taking.

Naloxone blocks the effects of opioids such as morphine, codeine, and heroin. If Suboxone is injected, naloxone will block the effects of buprenorphine and lead to withdrawal symptoms in a person with an opioid addiction. When administered under the tongue as directed, naloxone will not affect the actions of buprenorphine.

Suboxone is used to treat opiate addiction.
mercer

Ashland, KY

#12 Jun 4, 2009
Does SUBOXONE just substitute one dependence for another?
A: All opioids can cause physical dependence. SUBOXONE belongs to a class of opioids called "partial opioid agonists." As a partial agonist, buprenorphine appears to produce less physical dependence, limited euphoria, and less potential for abuse compared with a full agonist, eg, heroin, oxycodone, and hydrocodone. SUBOXONE has potential for abuse and produces dependence of the opioid type with a milder withdrawal syndrome than full agonists.
When patients are ready to stop taking SUBOXONE, the dose is slowly and gradually tapered. The withdrawal symptoms of SUBOXONE are milder than those seen with a full opioid agonist and can be managed with your doctor's supervision.
(all opioids do cause dependence. But the severity is the main issue here. With the proper counseling and the correct way of taking this partial blocker after being on heroin/oxys/hydro being in a clinical treatment program and going to counseling for your addiction and getting treatment instead of keeping on the same path of destruction is not substitueing its getting help)
How SUBOXONE helps patients
When a doctor starts patients on SUBOXONE, they should be experiencing mild to moderate withdrawal. At this point, the opioids from prescription painkillers or heroin have begun to leave the brain's opioid receptors. As these opioids move off the receptors, buprenorphine—the active ingredient in SUBOXONE—moves onto and attaches to the available receptors. Patients' withdrawal symptoms are usually suppressed as the receptors are occupied by the buprenorphine. SUBOXONE usually starts to have an effect within 30 to 60 minutes after the first dose.
When SUBOXONE moves onto the opioid receptors in a dependent patient's brain, it does three important things.
mercer

Ashland, KY

#13 Jun 4, 2009
First, by attaching to the brain's opioid receptors, SUBOXONE suppresses withdrawal symptoms and drug cravings.
Second, SUBOXONE attaches to the brain's receptors—so other opioids have difficulty attaching.
Finally, although all opioids slow down breathing, when SUBOXONE is taken alone and as directed, it has an upper limit on how much it affects breathing. This limitation, known as the "ceiling effect," is due to buprenorphine being a partial agonist. While full agonists (opioid painkillers, heroin, methadone) continue to slow breathing as a person takes more of the drug. This "ceiling effect" makes an overdose death from slowed breathing less likely, when buprenorphine is taken alone.
Even with this "ceiling effect" patients should avoid taking SUBOXONE while taking other sedatives, especially benzodiazepines unless specifically advised to do so by their doctor. This is because the effects of other sedatives may add to the sedating and respiratory depressant effects of buprenorphine, and the combination may be dangerous. Mixing buprenorphine with benzodiazepines for snorting or injection is especially dangerous. Patients being treated with buprenorphine should not use tranquilizers, antidepressants, or sedatives except under a doctor's orders, and they should avoid alcohol.
mercer

Ashland, KY

#14 Jun 4, 2009
With daily maintenance doses, SUBOXONE continues to keep the brain's opioid receptors occupied. Even if the patient uses another opioid at this point, the effects of that opioid will be blocked. By suppressing withdrawal symptoms, reducing cravings, and reducing illicit opioid use, SUBOXONE enables patients to remain in treatment, thereby increasing their chances of success.( YEARS OF abuse and dependence are not fixed quick!!)
SUBOXONE therapy step by step
Here is an overview of office-based treatment with SUBOXONE:
mercer

Ashland, KY

#15 Jun 4, 2009
Induction. Patients receive their first dose of SUBOXONE in the doctor's office. To start drug therapy with SUBOXONE, patients need to be in mild to moderate withdrawal at the time of induction. After 30 to 60 minutes, the patient should begin to feel the effects of the buprenorphine and their symptoms (cravings, withdrawal) should begin to decrease. An additional dose of SUBOXONE may be given if there is still a medical need.
Stabilization. As patients stabilize over the next few days, their doctor will decide what their target daily dose should be and adjust accordingly. The target stabilization dose is generally 12 to 24 milligrams for most people. Additionally, the doctor may discuss appropriate counseling options at this time.
Maintenance. During maintenance, patients take a consistent dose of medication that suppresses withdrawal symptoms, controls cravings, reduces illicit opioid use, and retains the patient in treatment. Their doctor should make sure some form of counseling is in place and may decide to see them less often. Their doctor will continue to periodically supervise their progress periodically during this phase.
Medical withdrawal. The final phase is medical withdrawal. Some patients may be able to stop receiving SUBOXONE therapy for opioid dependence. For these patients, the doctor gradually reduces their dose until they can comfortably stop taking SUBOXONE. Patients should remain alert to signs of withdrawal symptoms or relapse as their dose is decreased and tell their doctor how they are feeling
mercer

Ashland, KY

#16 Jun 4, 2009
The length of your SUBOXONE treatment depends on what your doctor, you,( YOU are in charge yes your doctor is as well but if YOU feel you are getting better ASK to start lowering your dose) and, possibly, your counselor or therapist decide is best for your needs. Although short-term treatment may be an effective option for some, for others it may not allow enough time to address the psychological and behavioral aspects of their condition. The chance of relapsing can be higher with short-term treatment because patients have less time to learn the skills needed to maintain an opioid-free lifestyle.
In general, suppressing cravings with SUBOXONE (for as long as necessary), together with counseling, offers the best likelihood for treatment success.

Discontinuing SUBOXONE abruptly can cause withdrawal symptoms, so when you (U U U )are ready, your doctor will gradually taper your SUBOXONE dose. You should be aware of signs of relapse or withdrawal symptoms. Discard any leftover pills to ensure that they aren't used by anyone else.
target

Lawrenceburg, KY

#17 Aug 18, 2009
This drug can be taking for the rest of your life.
recovery addict

Louisa, KY

#18 Aug 18, 2009
I just have to say that the disease of drug addiction and alcoholism are the samething. They are just in different forms, ones liquid the other is solid. It has been proven even years ago that over hundreds of people joined a program call A.A. && it is still saving lives one day at a time. In The Doctors Opinion written by a true doctor not seeking money; says. That this disease is a manifestation of an allergy followed by the phenomenon of craving. Which means that a person dependent on drugs or alcohol can NEVER safley use alcohol in ANY FORM. This disease is a two fold disease mind && body. Its also a very powerful disease.

SOMEONE WROTE.
Discontinuing SUBOXONE abruptly can cause withdrawal symptoms, so when you (U U U )are ready, your doctor will gradually taper your SUBOXONE dose. You should be aware of signs of relapse or withdrawal symptoms. Discard any leftover pills to ensure that they aren't used by anyone else.

The A.A. book says that Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves.

There are countless number of ppl. who work that program and stay sober. The book says RARELY have we seen a person fail. It doesn't say do this but be aware of signs of relapse and withdral. A person fighting disease has to change 1 thing. That is EVERYTHING. Including taking pills.

People just want to take the easy way out. Well I am sorry but it is proven that if you want true soberity you have to work for it. Nothing good is just given to you in life && that includes soberity.

With Suboxone the mind is still telling you that you are taking a pill && that is why you feeling better. When you come off the pill, the mind is then going to tell you that you need the pill. So if you have this disease get honest with your self.
I know NO

United States

#19 Aug 18, 2009
just to let you know i think you have no clue as to what you are talking about , for one thing alcohol and drugs are 2 very extremely different things, and im just gonna point that one thing out, clearly you havent got a clue about this topic one things right and that is the drink and drug are both addictive, but no where near the same nor do they work the same or have the same withdrawl symtoms, nor need the same treatment, so go read up on that one part of your post and get some facts that are real , not just made up., and i am not even gonna comment on the rest of your post because its a waist of time and i wont bother myself trying to explain the whole subject when your going to argue with me anyway. or something
recovery addict wrote:
I just have to say that the disease of drug addiction and alcoholism are the samething. They are just in different forms, ones liquid the other is solid. It has been proven even years ago that over hundreds of people joined a program call A.A. && it is still saving lives one day at a time. In The Doctors Opinion written by a true doctor not seeking money; says. That this disease is a manifestation of an allergy followed by the phenomenon of craving. Which means that a person dependent on drugs or alcohol can NEVER safley use alcohol in ANY FORM. This disease is a two fold disease mind && body. Its also a very powerful disease.
SOMEONE WROTE.
Discontinuing SUBOXONE abruptly can cause withdrawal symptoms, so when you (U U U )are ready, your doctor will gradually taper your SUBOXONE dose. You should be aware of signs of relapse or withdrawal symptoms. Discard any leftover pills to ensure that they aren't used by anyone else.
The A.A. book says that Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves.
There are countless number of ppl. who work that program and stay sober. The book says RARELY have we seen a person fail. It doesn't say do this but be aware of signs of relapse and withdral. A person fighting disease has to change 1 thing. That is EVERYTHING. Including taking pills.
People just want to take the easy way out. Well I am sorry but it is proven that if you want true soberity you have to work for it. Nothing good is just given to you in life && that includes soberity.
With Suboxone the mind is still telling you that you are taking a pill && that is why you feeling better. When you come off the pill, the mind is then going to tell you that you need the pill. So if you have this disease get honest with your self.
recovering addict

Louisa, KY

#20 Aug 18, 2009
Please do explain. I am not argumentive. I just know the facts, and what has worked successfully without a doubt with many others. Other than the fact that the withdrawls are different and one is liquid and one is solid. How are alcoholism and drug addiction different? I know through experience, different pills with different strengths and just different types of pills all togehter have different withdrawls. A person can die from the withdrawls of alcohol and also nereve pills but not from a pain pill. Again both are a disease that centers in your mind. All of my information came from a recovery center that had many different women, from age to drug of choice. Some were alcoholics others like my self were drug addicted. Our recovery was the same the 12steps. We all were women who would normally not even speak to one another, but we had one common bond and that was trying to over come addiction.

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