Why are students who score over their grade level being tutored at LEES?

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Leanne

Louisa, KY

#1 Feb 15, 2013
I was just informed today that if your child is above their grade level in math or reading they may still be taken out of art, physical education, library and music. Now here is my problem, one of my child's cousins only scored 2 points above my child in math. My child is forced to complete a computer program while his cousin gets to now have double activity time. My child's cousin scored a lot lower than my child in reading but is not required to complete the program. I just don't understand and neither does my sister. My son had actually helped my niece with her math lessons. I want my child to do well in math but I also want my child to like school. Right now he hates it and his favorite thing in the world is art and gym. My son is actually one grade level above the grade he is in. His father and I are happy with his scores. We are not happy that he is being deprived of the things he enjoys most. Could someone please explain to me why this is being done to our children? I could understand if he was below his grade level but he is not.
John

Louisa, KY

#2 Feb 15, 2013
Well I just found out from some friends all you have to do is post your discontent on Facebook and tell the principals how much you love them and they will let your kid back in art and PE. Get off Topix honey and get on that Facebook.
To Leann

Louisa, KY

#3 Feb 15, 2013
Woman up and go to that school and tell those people you want your child to have art and PE. It is your kid and if you want your kid to have those classes so he will be well rounded that is your right as a parent. This kind of thing really bothers me because not everyone in this world is going to be good at math but they may be a genius in art. Who is to say one subject is better than the other. If your child hates school now and you can do something about it. Then do it!
Wrong

Louisa, KY

#4 Feb 15, 2013
John you are dead wrong might want to check your source. The Facebook post was letting parents know their children had been pulled to be tutored because the Administration elected not to tell the parents. You are also wrong on the loving the Principal. You are also wrong no child was placed back in those classes. The school is now going to offer activities to the kids being tutored just not as much time as the other kids.
John

Louisa, KY

#5 Feb 16, 2013
Wrong wrote:
John you are dead wrong might want to check your source. The Facebook post was letting parents know their children had been pulled to be tutored because the Administration elected not to tell the parents. You are also wrong on the loving the Principal. You are also wrong no child was placed back in those classes. The school is now going to offer activities to the kids being tutored just not as much time as the other kids.
Ma'am I don't know where you are getting your information but I talk to my child's teachers. I'm not upset because my girl met her goal so she is getting a lot more activities now and I'm happy. Why should she be punished for being smart she should be getting more time doing things she likes. She deserves it.
John

Louisa, KY

#6 Feb 16, 2013
Wrong wrote:
John you are dead wrong might want to check your source. The Facebook post was letting parents know their children had been pulled to be tutored because the Administration elected not to tell the parents. You are also wrong on the loving the Principal. You are also wrong no child was placed back in those classes. The school is now going to offer activities to the kids being tutored just not as much time as the other kids.
Also lady I don't like you saying dead wrong because I'm not.
Parent Group Information

Louisa, KY

#7 Feb 16, 2013
On Wednesday a group of us parents got together at a local restaurant and did some research on the testing that is determining who is getting remediation and who is not. What we discovered is really interesting. I will contact the other parents and we will share on this thread what we have discovered. We hope it will be helpful. What you need to realize is just because your child may be getting remediation he or she may be on their level and even above their level. The program's company was quite shocked that some of our children were even receiving remediation. I will call the other parents. we have three way calling and let them know there are parents like you Leanne. We had the exact same concerns. I think that together we can help parents like you understand this testing system a little better. We also checked into the STAR Reading and Math tests as well. You need to know that there are websites that explain how they work. Stay tuned.
Remember

Winchester, KY

#8 Feb 16, 2013
Oh for the good old days when we had a 15 minute recess twice a day and 30 minutes for lunch and the rest of the time we spent learning. Guess what it works, had no art or PE and if you were gifted in art you applied that in drawings and we mostly went on to become teachers, doctors, lawyers, business men and women and excelled in many ways, some became mothers after marriage and fathers and laborers and just well rounded citizens. We didn't have parent teacher confrences or PTA and all that we have today and did well because when at school we did what the teacher told us to do, at home we obeyed our parents. What a blessed time that was we just didn't realize it then. School is a place to learn not be entertained or have fun it is the most serious part of your life right now so get serious about it. have had some children and grandchildren come out of this school system to excell in grand ways so it can happen if the child is serious about it and wants to learn. Now burn me on my spelling and grammer like happens most of the time on here.
Happy Husband

Louisa, KY

#9 Feb 16, 2013
Remember wrote:
Oh for the good old days when we had a 15 minute recess twice a day and 30 minutes for lunch and the rest of the time we spent learning. Guess what it works, had no art or PE and if you were gifted in art you applied that in drawings and we mostly went on to become teachers, doctors, lawyers, business men and women and excelled in many ways, some became mothers after marriage and fathers and laborers and just well rounded citizens. We didn't have parent teacher confrences or PTA and all that we have today and did well because when at school we did what the teacher told us to do, at home we obeyed our parents. What a blessed time that was we just didn't realize it then. School is a place to learn not be entertained or have fun it is the most serious part of your life right now so get serious about it. have had some children and grandchildren come out of this school system to excell in grand ways so it can happen if the child is serious about it and wants to learn. Now burn me on my spelling and grammer like happens most of the time on here.
Amen brother or sister! Preach it!
Leanne

Louisa, KY

#10 Feb 16, 2013
Parent Group Information wrote:
On Wednesday a group of us parents got together at a local restaurant and did some research on the testing that is determining who is getting remediation and who is not. What we discovered is really interesting. I will contact the other parents and we will share on this thread what we have discovered. We hope it will be helpful. What you need to realize is just because your child may be getting remediation he or she may be on their level and even above their level. The program's company was quite shocked that some of our children were even receiving remediation. I will call the other parents. we have three way calling and let them know there are parents like you Leanne. We had the exact same concerns. I think that together we can help parents like you understand this testing system a little better. We also checked into the STAR Reading and Math tests as well. You need to know that there are websites that explain how they work. Stay tuned.
Thank you! Thank you! I welcome any and all information you can give me. This whole thing has put our family in an uproar. My husband wants me to go to the next board meeting and lay in on somebody. My children are mad and hate school. My mother is comparing my kids with my sister's kids. I spoke with my kid's teacher about the issue but she doesn't make the rules. I'm at my wits end. So please tell me what I can do to make things better around here.
Heard that

Louisa, KY

#11 Feb 16, 2013
Leanne wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you! Thank you! I welcome any and all information you can give me. This whole thing has put our family in an uproar. My husband wants me to go to the next board meeting and lay in on somebody. My children are mad and hate school. My mother is comparing my kids with my sister's kids. I spoke with my kid's teacher about the issue but she doesn't make the rules. I'm at my wits end. So please tell me what I can do to make things better around here.
Homeschool
Thats easy

Louisa, KY

#12 Feb 16, 2013
Leanne wrote:
I was just informed today that if your child is above their grade level in math or reading they may still be taken out of art, physical education, library and music. Now here is my problem, one of my child's cousins only scored 2 points above my child in math. My child is forced to complete a computer program while his cousin gets to now have double activity time. My child's cousin scored a lot lower than my child in reading but is not required to complete the program. I just don't understand and neither does my sister. My son had actually helped my niece with her math lessons. I want my child to do well in math but I also want my child to like school. Right now he hates it and his favorite thing in the world is art and gym. My son is actually one grade level above the grade he is in. His father and I are happy with his scores. We are not happy that he is being deprived of the things he enjoys most. Could someone please explain to me why this is being done to our children? I could understand if he was below his grade level but he is not.
The problem is the people in charge do not know the difference between a percent and percentile. I have some more news for you that is not all they don't know.
Parent Group Information

Louisa, KY

#13 Feb 16, 2013
Thats easy wrote:
<quoted text> The problem is the people in charge do not know the difference between a percent and percentile. I have some more news for you that is not all they don't know.
That is what the MAP testing representative told us too. Leanne we will post the information you need sometime this afternoon or tomorrow.
jeff

United States

#14 Feb 16, 2013
The teachers and principals are under pressure to meet unattainable standards because no one on the board or in the central office understands what a percentile is. If my kid is in the 70th percentile this means that on that test she scored better than 69 out of 100 students that took the test. This is not a score but a rank. Her score might have been 80 or 50 but 69 out of 100 students scored lower than her. The people running our schools don't understand this.
jeff

United States

#15 Feb 16, 2013
If every student hit the 70th percentile it would no longer be the 70th percentile. Average in percentiles is 50, half the students score lower, half score higher. We have people in the central office who don't understand this. People who are making $100, 000 per year don't understand what it is they're supervising.
Leanne

Louisa, KY

#16 Feb 16, 2013
jeff wrote:
If every student hit the 70th percentile it would no longer be the 70th percentile. Average in percentiles is 50, half the students score lower, half score higher. We have people in the central office who don't understand this. People who are making $100, 000 per year don't understand what it is they're supervising.
I was told my child was in the 67th percentile. Is that bad?
Misty eyed

Louisa, KY

#17 Feb 16, 2013
Leanne wrote:
<quoted text> I was told my child was in the 67th percentile. Is that bad?
From my perspective ma'am younger children will most often score better or worse depending how much they comprehend certain concepts. 67th sounds to me a middle range. 30-40 being the lower range. So much pressure is placed on the children these days. If focus was placed more on the core subjects like reading, science, math and language the children will eventually grasp the material. Flexibility is the main advantage not pressure like timed tests which focus more on speed and competency instead of allowing a slower paced writer to solve problems and develop solutions. It's not that the students can't read, complete equations for that matter at a young age they need to be drilled continuously at least until the 6th grade. My third grader becomes frustrated with the division and basic algebra, punctuation and capitalization. All I can do Is keep guiding her and reminding her of the concepts or rules to follow. Because as long as you remain positive and praise your child for doing the best he or she can, that feeling of succeeding will motivate them in situations where they are struggling:)
Remedy

Louisa, KY

#18 Feb 16, 2013
jeff wrote:
The teachers and principals are under pressure to meet unattainable standards because no one on the board or in the central office understands what a percentile is. If my kid is in the 70th percentile this means that on that test she scored better than 69 out of 100 students that took the test. This is not a score but a rank. Her score might have been 80 or 50 but 69 out of 100 students scored lower than her. The people running our schools don't understand this.
I guess the principals and teachers are under a lot of pressure to get those scores up. There is one tried and true way to make that happen. It is is called C-H-E-A-T. I guess the teachers are not buying into it like they did in the old days. It is ashame but the teachers want to help the kids and to T-E-A-C-H but the leaders are never going to let that happen. It may cost them a little time and money to do things the right way. Don't look for any improvements to occur with this superintendent and his wife and the BOE.
Remember

Winchester, KY

#19 Feb 16, 2013
Don't allow this rivalery between cousins and siblings to wreck your family unit. What the children need more than anything else right now is encouragment to do their best and remember that when they make it through this system they will never be confronted with this kind of academic idiocy ever again, it gets better because here you are dealing with politics as usual. You can't change this, just determine to get through it. many have pulled their children out moved away and been happier but all can't do that so for some we just have to endure. I can attest that mine and my grandchildren made it through very devistating issues in this system but they did wonderfully once in collage and have excelled because they learned to be tough and only the strong survive you know so hold on time will pass quickly and this too will just be another unpleasant memory for you. Forget hassling with the board they are all in the admenistrations pocket and worthless so you are getting no where with them just make up your mind to make it regardless of them.
Leanne

Louisa, KY

#20 Feb 16, 2013
Misty eyed wrote:
<quoted text> From my perspective ma'am younger children will most often score better or worse depending how much they comprehend certain concepts. 67th sounds to me a middle range. 30-40 being the lower range. So much pressure is placed on the children these days. If focus was placed more on the core subjects like reading, science, math and language the children will eventually grasp the material. Flexibility is the main advantage not pressure like timed tests which focus more on speed and competency instead of allowing a slower paced writer to solve problems and develop solutions. It's not that the students can't read, complete equations for that matter at a young age they need to be drilled continuously at least until the 6th grade. My third grader becomes frustrated with the division and basic algebra, punctuation and capitalization. All I can do Is keep guiding her and reminding her of the concepts or rules to follow. Because as long as you remain positive and praise your child for doing the best he or she can, that feeling of succeeding will motivate them in situations where they are struggling:)
Okay so is 67th percentile bad?

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