Because I tell you the truth, do I be...

Because I tell you the truth, do I become your enemy

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JMS

Louisa, KY

#1 Sep 3, 2010
Paul said, not all men have the one faith, then this faith in Christ Jesus is not just believing, because devils believe and tremble. 2Thessalonians 3:2 "And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith." Those that are stablished in the Lord are those that hear the Apostles. 2 Thessalonians 3:4 "And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you" (The Apostles). Then we have to look in the Bible to have understanding how the Lord directs our hearts.(The Holy Ghost guided the Apostles what to teach of God). 2Thessalonians 3:5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

Paul wrote to the brethren in Thessalonica, that they withdraw themselves from every brother that walked disorderly, in things that they received of them.(the apostles), not to walk unworthy with that man. 2Thessalonians 3:7 "For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;" Paul said, they, the apostle, were their ensample to follow. Verse 9 Paul said: "Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us."
JMS

Louisa, KY

#2 Sep 3, 2010
Paul said if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed (don't have company of false doctrine,'don't do those things that are false with that man').

Yet count him not as an "enemy", but admonish him as a brother. 2 Thessalonians 3:13-18."Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

James said "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." If you turn one away, how will you teach him?

Jesus said he came to teach the sinners. Admonish, means to reprove! Then if a man brings not the doctrine of Christ that was sent by the Apostles by the Holy Ghost. We don't abolish (annul or destroy) him, but Admonish (REPROVE) him by the word of God. At the same time we want to take heed that we stand fast in the "Word of God".
JMS

Louisa, KY

#3 Sep 3, 2010
All I am asking you is not to abolish me, but admonish me by studying with me. If I be wrong, reprove me, by the word of God.

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:19.

Chasten me by the word of God: Hebrews 12:5-8 "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

Prove your faith, contend for the word of God. How can you reprove me by abolishing me?

Romans 12: 2. "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
JMS

Well

Peach Creek, WV

#4 Sep 3, 2010
I am not saying my faith is 'weak' but read the following words and consider the very carefully.

Romans 14:1

Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters

What are disputable matters you say?

Well these are the Non-disputable matters and anything else is disputable through interpretation of the word: Diety of Christ/Trinity (see John 1:1 and 1:14), the Resurrection (see 1 Corinthians 15:14), and salvation by Grace (see Eph. 2:8-9 and Romans 6:23).

God does not want you to judge another's non-essential belief's because God has accepted him. Your judgment would imply a rejection. Therefore you are going against God's will if you judge another whose faith is "weak" or different.

We need to live more by scriptures such as:

Colossians 3:14

Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity.

You are to abstain from judging a fellow Christian in matters that are non-essential. You are not to avoid fellowship with him, or ignore him. Instead you are to accept, to love, and to be in harmony with him. Will you do that? Will you decide to love your brother even though he doesn't believe the same as you? Will you ask the Lord to forgive you of your judgmental attitudes? Seek the Lord and His abounding love so that you might show it to your brother. Amen.

(Some of this came from carm.org )
JMS

Louisa, KY

#5 Sep 3, 2010
Well wrote:
I am not saying my faith is 'weak' but read the following words and consider the very carefully.
Romans 14:1
Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters
What are disputable matters you say?
Well these are the Non-disputable matters and anything else is disputable through interpretation of the word: Diety of Christ/Trinity (see John 1:1 and 1:14), the Resurrection (see 1 Corinthians 15:14), and salvation by Grace (see Eph. 2:8-9 and Romans 6:23).
God does not want you to judge another's non-essential belief's because God has accepted him. Your judgment would imply a rejection. Therefore you are going against God's will if you judge another whose faith is "weak" or different.
We need to live more by scriptures such as:
Colossians 3:14
Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity.
You are to abstain from judging a fellow Christian in matters that are non-essential. You are not to avoid fellowship with him, or ignore him. Instead you are to accept, to love, and to be in harmony with him. Will you do that? Will you decide to love your brother even though he doesn't believe the same as you? Will you ask the Lord to forgive you of your judgmental attitudes? Seek the Lord and His abounding love so that you might show it to your brother. Amen.
(Some of this came from carm.org )
No!! It is written that I be of the same mind with my brothers in Christ Jesus.

And if the others wants to follow that bologna, they will just have to fall in the ditch with you. But if you want to study and use the bible, I am willing to search and compare scriptures with you. You and carm.org is taking the scriptures out of context. In Romans 14 chapter, Paul is talking about those people who are coming out from under the law, and those that had no Law or any part of the promises of God. They were both concluded under sin, no difference, and when Christ came there were no more Jew nor Gentile, male nor female, but all could be one of the same faith in Christ Jesus. Eating meat or not eating meat has nothing to do with the One faith.

There is but one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. Eph. 4:5.
JMS
JMS

Louisa, KY

#6 Sep 4, 2010
When Jesus died all sin wasn't forgiven yet. Some were still in sin and had to be taught repentance and remission of sins. Read with me in Luke 24:44-48 Jesus raised from the dead and went to his disciples.

And he said unto them, "These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things."

There are conditions to having eternal life and for this cause did Jesus commission the apostles to go into all the world and preach repentance and remission of sins, and baptism. Mark 16:14,15,16

"Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Matthew 28:19,20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

On the day of Pentecost the apostles received the promise (The Holy Ghost)of the Father and started their commission. People were still in sin and had to be taught. Some People are still in sin and need to be taught repentances and remission of sins. The only way you can put on Christ is by baptism. Galatians 3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
JMS
JMS

Louisa, KY

#7 Sep 4, 2010
Under the law curtain things were considered to be unclean for them to eat. But was Paul saying not to teach that man the gospel. No! They all had to be "one" in Christ Jesus. No darkness in the Body (The Church)! Ephesians 2:13-22 both were given the same access into the kingdom of God.

Romans 15:1-7 Paul said,(4) "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." These people had no hope of eternal life until Christ came, no way out of that law they were under. But when Christ came they "all" could be "one" in him.(5) Paul said, "Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:" They "all" were taught Christ and they "all" obeyed Christ! This is how they ate of his flesh and drink of his blood. All made to drink of the same cup.(6) "That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Doesn't have anything do with: if I like meat and you like salad!
JMS

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