Corrections employee blames unfair system for loss of job

Full story: Carlsbad Current-Argus

Four employees at the state prison in Los Lunas have been arrested at least twice on suspicion of drunken driving.
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It is very sad to say that not only does it happen there but every were else.If you work for the goverment any office its not what you know its who you know and who they are or who they know. If you to the crime pay the time and stop complaining. You are just mad that they started the discipline with you get a clue and stop blaming everyone else for your mystakes you drank the alcohol not them.
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Just what the prison needs... a loser that thinks the laws do not apply to them. They think they can drive drunk and should not be punished. And just how long will it be until he kills someone driving drunk and then screams how the STATE should have done something to help him get counciling for his "illness" and therefor he should not have to go to prison. Already 3 arrests and he has not learned to follow the rules. What other rules did he break at the prison?? Was he smuggling drugs, which is a high paying sideline for some of the guards...and that would be the main reason he wants his job back?
If the rules say 2 ARRESTS, not CONVICTIONS, then he needs to go down the road kicking rocks.
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poor brecito, just another pig that assumes he's above the law. what passes for law enforcement should be disbanned at once. people should go back to carrying a gun on our hip to protect ourselves from the criminal element. most of them are in uniform, the rest, in nice suits. criminals, one and all. all protecting eeesh other with thier blue shield.

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Jul 14, 2011
 
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Both drunken-driving charges that led to his termination were dismissed by state courts.
It's tough to believe that an entity, public or private, could responsibly make an employment policy based upon charges (versus convictions). It was long ago that it was deemed low brow (and illegal in some states) to ask on employment applications if you've even been charged with a crime... in favor of the question about guilt. There is a reason for this prudent step... the "whole innocent until proven guilty" thing we all know an love!
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Jul 14, 2011
 
He beat the rap on some technicality, even though both times he blew way above the legal limit...just because he found a loophole does not mean he was not guilty. I do understand that the law is the law... even tho it needs to be changed to correct mistakes and loopholes. Just because no autopsy could determine how the little girl died, Casey Anthony got to walk on a murder charge...but right is right and wrong is wrong and we see too many criminals walk-out because some lawyer found a loophole or pushed "reasonable doubt" far beyond the limits of rationality.
Besides, dismissing the charges are not the same as getting a "not guilty" verdict.
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Did you notice he was quick to snitch-off his co-workers that were also drunk drivers that got to keep their jobs??? Want to bet he gets jumped outside a bar some night when his "budddies" find him alone and drunk??
And just how prevailant is the drinking and driving problem with the guards that he has so many co-workers that have not been punished that he can show he was being singled out?? Are any of them driving state vehicles??? Supposedly the law enforcement community is held to a higher standard... but instead they get charges dismissed or never even get arrested. The state cops are having the same dwi problems and they just sweep it under the rug.
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Whole lot of corruption in state government. Sounds like their is a fine line between inmates & guards & their democrat attorneys in the state legislature.
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squidlyman wrote:
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It's tough to believe that an entity, public or private, could responsibly make an employment policy based upon charges (versus convictions). It was long ago that it was deemed low brow (and illegal in some states) to ask on employment applications if you've even been charged with a crime... in favor of the question about guilt. There is a reason for this prudent step... the "whole innocent until proven guilty" thing we all know an love!
there is rarely ever a conviction against any kind of cop or others in the law enforcment industry becouse of the "blue shield". other cops don't show up at the trial, or the judge "throws it out of court" becouse of a well placed "mistake" or some other nonsense. just as the previous conviction didn't stick. every other non-cop i know who gets a dwi gets convicted. it's slam dunk. not so when you're in the business.(law enforcement business, that is).

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<quoted text>there is rarely ever a conviction against any kind of cop or others in the law enforcment industry becouse of the "blue shield". other cops don't show up at the trial, or the judge "throws it out of court" becouse of a well placed "mistake" or some other nonsense. just as the previous conviction didn't stick. every other non-cop i know who gets a dwi gets convicted. it's slam dunk. not so when you're in the business.(law enforcement business, that is).
While this may be true (or not... I can't say), the premise can't be denied. Any organization that tries to base employment decisions upon "accusations" versus "convictions" is bound to be opening themselves to litigation.

Perhaps sadly so in some cases, but then,... it's a fact of life.
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The employee was not convicted although the facts that he admitted to and his BAC were both extreme. Even though the evidence and his admissions should have led to convictions in both cases, he was not. Therefore he should not be punished for this while others are sliding. How are we going to have faith in people running public institutions if the administration of these rules is arbitrary and inconsistent? The people in the administration that are keeping up these inconsistent practices should be removed and replaced with people who come up with reasonable disciplinary processes and enforce them consistently without the ever present cronyism that has always plagued this beleaguered institution. It is no doubt a high stress job but inconsistent enforcement of policies only adds to the uncertainty and stability the employees need to make their dangerous and stressful jobs worthwhile. The citizens of the fair state of New Mexico also deserve professionalism from the individuals charged with the administration of any public organization.
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While this may be true (or not... I can't say), the premise can't be denied. Any organization that tries to base employment decisions upon "accusations" versus "convictions" is bound to be opening themselves to litigation.
Perhaps sadly so in some cases, but then,... it's a fact of life.
... and the taxpayers must fork out for this grandstanding...
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Just what the prison needs... a loser that thinks the laws do not apply to them. They think they can drive drunk and should not be punished. And just how long will it be until he kills someone driving drunk and then screams how the STATE should have done something to help him get counciling for his "illness" and therefor he should not have to go to prison. Already 3 arrests and he has not learned to follow the rules. What other rules did he break at the prison?? Was he smuggling drugs, which is a high paying sideline for some of the guards...and that would be the main reason he wants his job back?
If the rules say 2 ARRESTS, not CONVICTIONS, then he needs to go down the road kicking rocks.
Then fire ALL of the ones that broke the rules. Maybe a review of the process is in order. However he skated, he avoided a conviction, so maybe it's time to make the termination bases on conviction and equal application of non-firing sanctions to be made upon arrest.
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Honestly wrote:
The employee was not convicted although the facts that he admitted to and his BAC were both extreme. Even though the evidence and his admissions should have led to convictions in both cases, he was not. Therefore he should not be punished for this while others are sliding. How are we going to have faith in people running public institutions if the administration of these rules is arbitrary and inconsistent? The people in the administration that are keeping up these inconsistent practices should be removed and replaced with people who come up with reasonable disciplinary processes and enforce them consistently without the ever present cronyism that has always plagued this beleaguered institution. It is no doubt a high stress job but inconsistent enforcement of policies only adds to the uncertainty and stability the employees need to make their dangerous and stressful jobs worthwhile. The citizens of the fair state of New Mexico also deserve professionalism from the individuals charged with the administration of any public organization.
HONESTLY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
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<quoted text>Then fire ALL of the ones that broke the rules. Maybe a review of the process is in order. However he skated, he avoided a conviction, so maybe it's time to make the termination bases on conviction and equal application of non-firing sanctions to be made upon arrest.
I agree 100%. I think it is bad enough that the guards are watching some of the people that got sent to prison for drinking and driving... then doing the same thing themselves. I think the rules need to change to a single conviction for dwi being enough to terminate their employment...but not simply being arrested.
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<quoted text> I agree 100%. I think it is bad enough that the guards are watching some of the people that got sent to prison for drinking and driving... then doing the same thing themselves. I think the rules need to change to a single conviction for DWI being enough to terminate their employment...but not simply being arrested.
It is a sad situation and we hold these public servants to a high standard. However in the corrections department, with the incorrigible and abusive individuals they must deal with on a daily basis, alcohol abuse can be an indicator of the stresses they take home with them on the job. Do they offer counseling to the employees because of the nature of their job and the emotional flaws that can be manifested doing this dicey work for the people? If not at least structure their health insurance to have longer term options available and make them part of any disciplinary process. I'm not trying to be soft on the behavior, because there are employees who follow rules, but at the same time wonder if mental health resources are available to the employees as they should be for public servants who routinely face danger and interact with the people we have deemed unfit for society. Hell, we give out counseling services for drug addicts, why not for people who compromise their safety and emotional well being for the safety of the public? The department has standard to maintain and rouge elements make it a public image nightmare but we have a collective responsibility to the people that do the dirty work as well.
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...I failed to read the article to the end where the third offense resulted in a conviction. I withdraw any irrelevant content/commentary...
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<quoted text>It is a sad situation and we hold these public servants to a high standard. However in the corrections department, with the incorrigible and abusive individuals they must deal with on a daily basis, alcohol abuse can be an indicator of the stresses they take home with them on the job. Do they offer counseling to the employees because of the nature of their job and the emotional flaws that can be manifested doing this dicey work for the people? If not at least structure their health insurance to have longer term options available and make them part of any disciplinary process. I'm not trying to be soft on the behavior, because there are employees who follow rules, but at the same time wonder if mental health resources are available to the employees as they should be for public servants who routinely face danger and interact with the people we have deemed unfit for society. Hell, we give out counseling services for drug addicts, why not for people who compromise their safety and emotional well being for the safety of the public? The department has standard to maintain and rouge elements make it a public image nightmare but we have a collective responsibility to the people that do the dirty work as well.
thier job is no more stressfull than anyone elses. they're under far less stress than a single mother trying to raise a family on her own. if they need counseling ( everyone of them i ever saw could certainly benefit from some kind of counseling) then it would be irresponsible to NOT seek it out. most are gangsta wannabees, and are the inmate's coonyows, primeos, tios, and carnals. they do the patty-cake hand shake wid 'em, cut thier hair like 'em, dress like 'em, act like 'em. they's the thuggs on de outside.
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<quoted text>thier job is no more stressfull than anyone elses. they're under far less stress than a single mother trying to raise a family on her own. if they need counseling ( everyone of them i ever saw could certainly benefit from some kind of counseling) then it would be irresponsible to NOT seek it out. most are gangsta wannabees, and are the inmate's coonyows, primeos, tios, and carnals. they do the patty-cake hand shake wid 'em, cut thier hair like 'em, dress like 'em, act like 'em. they's the thuggs on de outside.
Then the more need for reform of the system and to weed out people who act like thugs and wannabe's. The correctional system is a unique pressure cooker of a world in which society's values are reversed and wrong is right among the "residents". There is more inherent evil in this environment than the average layman might imagine.
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<quoted text>Then the more need for reform of the system and to weed out people who act like thugs and wannabe's. The correctional system is a unique pressure cooker of a world in which society's values are reversed and wrong is right among the "residents". There is more inherent evil in this environment than the average layman might imagine.
indeed, the intire law industry is a couldren of evil. the prisons are bad also.
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<quoted text>Then the more need for reform of the system and to weed out people who act like thugs and wannabe's. The correctional system is a unique pressure cooker of a world in which society's values are reversed and wrong is right among the "residents". There is more inherent evil in this environment than the average layman might imagine.
I spent 10 years in prison in NewMexico. Most of the convicts were doing their time quietly and trying to go home to start a new life. The wannabe gangsters and gangbangers walked around acting tough and talking sh**. Most of the guards were friendly, polite, and just doing their job the best way they knew how.
Admittedly, the new generation of criminals are a different breed. A lot of the younger guards are related to some of the gangbangers, or knew them from the streets, and they do "favors" for them.There is not as much danger as people try to tell the world...and if the guards are drunks, it is what they would be if they were carpenters or hotel clerks. Don't blame the job... doesn't wash.
A lot of the inmates are doing life on the installment plan... 5 years at a time. They don't stay out of prison long because they are just scum that want to steal instead of working for a living. There are guards that make more money doing "favors" than they make legally, and damnright there needs to be a shake-up of the system. Another thing not mentioned in the article was the fact there are 2 prisons in LosLunas. One is a medium security prison, the other is the "honor farm", a minimum security prison where all of the inmates there are within a year of being released. Not a lot of guys want to screw up when they are that close to being free, and they had to work to get there in the first place. Which prison was the guard working at???

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