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otm
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I feel for you S.P. residents.
However, if this project is within current zoning, there's little you can do legally. And,changing the rules now, just to stop this project, is not the American way.
You the local people should pass the hat and buy the property from the current owner that way everyone wins!
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Civic Minded
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Unique neighborhoods my foot. A market that had 225-250 car trips a day is replaced by 18 condos that might have 45 car trips a day and they say traffic will increase? That's good ol' LAUSD education for ya! It's commercially zoned. I know container storage lots make good money for the owners. How about that instead? Nope, they are holding out that Comrade Hahn will extort the owner to put in a park like she did with the Port and Eastview Little League's new sandlot. Viva La Revolucion!
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foofoo
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"there's little you can do legally."
hey OTM, hahn and the city council make the laws buddy. that's why they're called "legislators."
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artie
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Civic Minded wrote: Unique neighborhoods my foot. A market that had 225-250 car trips a day is replaced by 18 condos that might have 45 car trips a day and they say traffic will increase? That's good ol' LAUSD education for ya! It's commercially zoned. I know container storage lots make good money for the owners. How about that instead? Nope, they are holding out that Comrade Hahn will extort the owner to put in a park like she did with the Port and Eastview Little League's new sandlot. Viva La Revolucion! Said civic (small) minded as he climbed out of the same bed he shares with Mike Rosenthal. Can't count, doesn't live in the neighborhood, doesn't have a vested interest in our neighborhood. Maybe he and Rosenthal can move in together with otm-long beach would love to have them.
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you know
AOL
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ROFL..good one artie, this civic small minded is a hoot, if this was happening in his/her neighborhood, he would be crying like a little girl with a skinned knee.
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Torrance Mom
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Fight on Vista del Oro! Or you'll end up like Torrance: full of high-density housing with nowhere to park and overcrowded dangerous streets.
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Civic Minded
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In response to "you know" PV doesn't have silly zoning laws that stick commercial buildings in the middle of residential zones in the first place. If they did try to change zoning near my home you are right, I'd be crying foul. That's not the case with McCowans. It's a different scenario don't you think?
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just me
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SAN PEDRO is filled with uneducated NIMBYs. No progress can ever be made there: not with the port not with housing and not with commercial development. Because of the NIMBYism San Pedro is always going to be a horrible place to live. Way to go idiots.
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you know
AOL
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how is it different? i grew up in "pv" went to rolling hills high school etc. putting condos in the middle of a r-1 neighborhood is just plain stupid, come down off the hill if your not too scared and take a look at this property, then you might know what the rest of us are talking about.
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JBT
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just me wrote: SAN PEDRO is filled with uneducated NIMBYs. No progress can ever be made there: not with the port not with housing and not with commercial development. Because of the NIMBYism San Pedro is always going to be a horrible place to live. Way to go idiots. I am so glad you have this attitude. It means that I will never have to run into you, with your small minded ignorance, as I happily lead my life here in Pedro...
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JBT
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PS to Just Me. My Degree is from the University of California. Where is yours from...
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Barney
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Let's put the condos next to Civic Minded and here his tune. Putting small resident serving services within neighborhoods cuts traffic. What an idiot. Must be a developer.
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Ron
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Good, I hope no other multi residents will be build in any part of San Pedro. As if the traffic is not bad enough already, building an apartment housing will make it worse. You will bring in more stupid LONGSHOREMEN into the area, causing more problems than it is worth. More disturbance on loud parties, more meth heads, more overpaid idiots acting like bigger idiots.
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Hillsiderpv
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just me wrote: SAN PEDRO is filled with uneducated NIMBYs. No progress can ever be made there: not with the port not with housing and not with commercial development. Because of the NIMBYism San Pedro is always going to be a horrible place to live. Way to go idiots. OH please stop speaking your ignorance. San Pedro, has its challenges.
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ArtiAnn
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Are you sure you're thinking before you post? First, McCowans had a small parking lot for at least a few of the vehicles. Second, anyone who parked on the street came, shopped and left. I live on Pacific Avenue full of multi-family units....and parking is absolutely horrible because when people come home..guess what...they stay!! And when they have guests come over - they use the parking on the street too. Imagine that times 20 more families...at 2-3 cars per family?!?!? The cars are parked in front for 8-12 hours, not minutes. Civic Minded wrote: Unique neighborhoods my foot. A market that had 225-250 car trips a day is replaced by 18 condos that might have 45 car trips a day and they say traffic will increase? That's good ol' LAUSD education for ya! It's commercially zoned. I know container storage lots make good money for the owners. How about that instead? Nope, they are holding out that Comrade Hahn will extort the owner to put in a park like she did with the Port and Eastview Little League's new sandlot. Viva La Revolucion!
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Gaffey Duck
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I'm usually on the side that beleives San Pedro constantly shoots itself in the foot when it comes to development, but building condos on the McCowans site is a bad idea.
I live in downtown, on the "bad side" of Gaffey, where there seems to be no zoning laws at all. People just build what they want without regard to the impact on the neighborhood. This type of haphazard building seems to be slowly working its way up the hill now.
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More Civic Minded
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A lot of people are mixing apples and oranges when speaking in favor of the 18 units. The zoning in place is likely from 50 years ago before we had the Luckys/Albertsons, Ralphs and Vons of today. To say that old development should be leveraged to put stress on what is largely a single family area is silly. The zoning is inconsistent with the character of the area that exists and the neighborhood wants. I thought the push for high density ended in the late 80s. Civic Minded wants a world where those with some $ can try and pull the wool over somebody they feel superior to. I personally live in the area and with houses ranging from $600k to slightly over $1m it due to lot size if anything may not be "the hill" it certainly is not a place to dump crap on. 1 SFR on each of the parking lot lots :) and max 6 on McGowans store site. Civic Minded should see the number of signs against the development have spread amazingly close to the home of one of the principal agents in the deal. LMAO about that.
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Hussein my middle name
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The know-nothing NIMBY's have spoken - too bad they do not know the facts that an 18-unit condo uses LESS power, and results in LESS traffic than the market did.
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Pedro Resident
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this is sad...we escaped ReCONDO Beach 5 years ago for this exact reason.
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look at the history
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you know wrote: putting condos in the middle of a r-1 neighborhood is just plain stupid, come down off the hill if your not too scared and take a look at this property, then you might know what the rest of us are talking about. chances are the commercial building was there before zoning ever touched san pedro. the zoning was placed on the property because of what was already sitting there. so no, that neighborhood is not all r-1. l.a. makes use of inclusionary zoning ... meaning that zones are placed in a prioritized list with residential being at the bottom and then commercial and so on. basically, if youre looking at something that is commercially zoned, then residential is also allowed there. q conditions is a way for l.a. to modify the zone without having to do the work of going through and rewriting the code.
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