Looking at vinyl replacement windows ...
Benny

Birmingham, AL

#133 Jun 23, 2009
Amerimax vinyl replacement windows,sounds like good windows.
Patrick

Garden Grove, CA

#134 Jun 27, 2009
I am shopping for windows and one thing I am hearing alot from different salesman is not to buy vinyl windows that have recycled vinyl. It looks like Milgard uses recycled vinyl in their windows. Looking at Milgards warranty it DOES NOT cover natural weathering of exterior finish. I guess if the vinyl exterior doesn't stay white Milgard doesn't have to fix it. Is this true? Could the smog in Los Angeles could effect the white vinyl color?
Window Guy wrote:
I think when you actually look into what materials are being used to make a window you see why there is a difference in price and quality. One of the main differences between vinyl window manufacturers is the amount of virgin vinyl and recycled vinyl. The window manufacturers that use more recycled vinyl are cheaper to produce. This is one of the reasons why there are differences in window prices from manufacturer to manufacturer.
In California Milgard, Simonton, Anlin, Amerimax are all considered to be good to premium windows. Simonton, Anlin and Amerimax will be more expensive because they use very little recycled vinyl. But a company like Milgard uses more and therefore cheaper to produce. Milgard uses 8%-10% recycled vinyl in their windows.
Here is the link:
http://pro.milgard.com/_doc/leed.pdf
Milgard Vinyl Windows contain 8%-10% pre-consumer recycled content of vinyl. Vinyl is approximately
35% of the weight of the average window and 31% of the weight of the average door. Therefore, as a
weighted percentage, Milgard vinyl windows contain 2.8-3.5% in pre-consumer recycled content in windows and 2.4%-3.1% pre-consumer recycled content in doors.
Vince

Irvine, CA

#135 Jun 28, 2009
I appreciated reading this forum as I did detailed research in figuring out what windows and installer to use. Based on my experience (and mistakes), I recommend that you start this process by visiting some showrooms to see different brands of windows and to decide which brand of window you like. Although window installation companies come for free to your house to show you window samples and take measurements, you probably don’t want to endure sales pitches from a parade of salespeople in your house.

I decided to go with Migard Tuscany windows and Classic sliding patio doors. I also liked the Simonton and Amerimax windows, but overall preferred Milgard Tuscany for the reasons below. Similarly, I liked DanJo (a local manufacturer), but was concerned about whether they would be around in 20 years should a warranty issue ever arise. I was not as impressed with the Atrium Dynasty product. The following are the pros and cons with the Milgard product as I see it.
• Gliding: Milgard windows and doors slided the easiest, more so than any other brand.
• Locks: Smart Touch locking system on the windows is secure, very easy to use, and looks great. Unique to Milgard.
• Warranty: Lifetime warranty which Milgard actually honors (according to several homeowners I spoke with who have Milgard windows). This includes a glass breakage warranty, which can also be included on sliding doors when purchase with the windows.
• Screen warranty: The warranty on the screens, however, is only one year. Simonton has a lifetime warranty on the screens.
• Screens: Pull-bars on screens make them easy to remove, and are much sturdier than the standard black tabs found on some other windows.
• Frame: I like the beefier look of the thick Milgard frames. Some others prefer the minimalist look of the Simonton frames, but I prefer the Milgard look.
• Double-strength glass: Although some people on this discussion board expressed concern about Milgard Tuscany not coming standard with double strength glass (which means 1/8 inch glass panes), I just asked dealers to specifically quote windows with double strength glass.
• Recycled vinyl: A couple recent posts expressed concern about this. I think that the small usage of recycled vinyl shouldn’t pose any problem.

Only after you finally decide upon which brand of window you want, set up a couple appointments for in-home estimates with installers who deal with that brand of window. These companies should give you detailed written estimates with window measurements. Use their expertise to help think through how you want to best configure your new windows. For example, you can switch which half of a horizontal slider opens, or you can replace a slider with a double hung window (ideal for the bathroom).

Now that you have a couple estimates as a baseline, along with window measurements and an idea of your final configuration, prepare a detailed specifications sheet. Contact several more installers who deal with your chosen brand of window and ask them to provide a price estimate based on your specs sheet (which you can fax or e-mail). This will allow you to get multiple estimates for comparison purposes without having to set up endless in-home appointments. I got estimates from all the certified Milgard dealers in Orange County, plus a couple non-certified dealers. Some of these dealers also serve parts of LA County. In terms of price, they generally fell into three price ranges:
• Expensive: McDuff Daniels (Santa Ana -- through Costco referral program), Pacific Shores (Fountain Valley), Showcase Vinyl (Laguna Hills), Shamrock (Laguna Hills).
• Moderate: Eisenbart & Sons (Mission Viejo), California Glass & Window (Costa Mesa).
• Competitive: California Replacement (Fountain Valley), A New View (Santa Ana), TMC Enterprises (Orange), Hardy Windows (Anaheim).

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Window Shopper

United States

#137 Jun 29, 2009
It took me 3 weeks to shop for windows. I had many companies come out and give me estimates. Most were very professional but some were very pushy. The tax credit information I received from some salesman about their windows was not correct. After all that I would recommend Door and Window Plus in South El Monte. They sell Milgard, Superior, Simonton, Amerimax, MI as well as others. Bryan was the salesman that came out to my house and had most of the the windows in his car that I was interested in. He was very knowledgeable and explained the differences in each brand and warranty. He also explained the tax credit and what I would need to do to get it. This was a little overwhelming but I didn't really know what I wanted and what windows qualified and which ones didn't. One thing I liked was that he didn't push one brand over another. After sitting down with me and finding out what I wanted he took measurements and showed me some pictures and explained the installation process. He emailed me a estimate a few days later with some references. The prices for the Milgard and Simonton were the lowest I had received. The references checked out. I had Bryan come out to my house one more time and show me both windows again side by side. I went with the Simonton windows because of the companies reputation and warranty. I have tall windows so the lock was very important to me. The Simonton windows come with two cam locks. They seemed more secure then the Milgards single lock. I am very pleased with how the windows turned out. The installation crew was very professional and helpful with moving some large furniture. I don't think you can go wrong with either Milgard or Simonton windows. This forum really helped me ask the right questions and find a good company to replace my windows. Door and Window Plus has a great website where you can download a window buying guide.

www.doorandwindowplus.com
Simon

United States

#138 Jun 29, 2009
I sell windows in Arizona and found this forum online and wanted to give my input. In Arizona Simonton windows are considered a premium line whereas Milgard Tuscany upper average window line.

Simonton has the Verona line which is their low end line. Premium line is 7300 and 7500. Milgard Styleline is Milgard's low end line and Milgard Tuscany is their better window. Milgard sells most of their windows to builders and contractors whereas Simonton to window dealers.

Simonton has won the J.D. Power Award the last 3 years for Best Residential Window, as well as other awards from Builder Magazine and BICA. Simonton windows are a little more money but well worth it.

Milgard uses recycled vinyl which is not a good thing and no one knows what will happen 15 years down the road to it. Premium window manufacturers don't use recycled vinyl period. The only windows I would considered premium here in Arizona are Simonton, Anlin, and Amerimax. Milgards are in the same class as Ply-Gem, MI, Atrium and Superior windows.
Gary

United States

#139 Jun 29, 2009
I really am happy with my Amerimax windows and French Sliding Doors. They are 6 years old.
henry

United States

#140 Jun 29, 2009
I just had a Milgard window salesman out to the house saying they are the best windows sold. When I pressed him on some of the technical information about the Milgard windows he didn't know that Milgards come with single strength glass or used recycled vinyl. I think I know more about Milgard windows then him. He just gave me a brochure and a estimate. He didn't even have the window with him. Who in their right mind would buy windows from this guy without actually seeing the window first.
Patrick wrote:
I am shopping for windows and one thing I am hearing alot from different salesman is not to buy vinyl windows that have recycled vinyl. It looks like Milgard uses recycled vinyl in their windows. Looking at Milgards warranty it DOES NOT cover natural weathering of exterior finish. I guess if the vinyl exterior doesn't stay white Milgard doesn't have to fix it. Is this true? Could the smog in Los Angeles could effect the white vinyl color?
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henry

United States

#141 Jun 29, 2009
My Milgard Tuscany quote was $4,905 for 10 double hung windows. Tad I think $740 a window is really high. I dont think that is a good buy.
Tad wrote:
I got an estimate $20,000 for 27 windows of Atrium - Heirloom.
Do you think it is a good buy?
Tony

United States

#142 Jun 30, 2009
I have looked at Milgard Tuscany and Simonton. I have 3 Simonton quotes and 3 Milgard Tuscany quotes. Prices are pretty different from dealer to dealer for both brands. I know overhead has something to do with it but $1,200 difference for the Simonton 7300 and $1,000 for the Milgard Tuscany. Why the big difference?
Tony

United States

#143 Jun 30, 2009
Tony wrote:
I have looked at Milgard Tuscany and Simonton. I have 3 Simonton quotes and 3 Milgard Tuscany quotes. Prices are pretty different from dealer to dealer for both brands. I know overhead has something to do with it but $1,200 difference for the Simonton 7300 and $1,000 for the Milgard Tuscany. Why the big difference?
I sold windows in-home for two years but don't any more. The number of people actually buying windows is down greatly. The first difference in price is dealer cost and dealer markup. The second is labor, materials and workers compensation. Salesman commission is the third.

Workers compensation is probably the most important thing when shopping for windows. NOT LOW PRICE.

Use this link to make sure a window company has workers compensation. I use to hate hearing about homeowners getting sued over a worker getting hurt on a job. Happens more then you think.

https://www2.cslb.ca.gov/OnlineServices/Check...
Tina

United States

#144 Jun 30, 2009
I think vinyl windows are ugly and would never buy them.
Warren

United States

#145 Jul 1, 2009
I recommend Simonton windows.
Tim

North Hollywood, CA

#146 Jul 2, 2009
The windows must be the same. I had Qualitex out for an estimate for my house and they left me a flyer. After doing a web-search Amerimax windows website has the same exact photos as the Qualitex brochure.
Now I just need to do some research to see if the windows have the same warranty. Also, has anyone heard anything good or bad about these windows? I checked the BBB and they have no complaints about Qualitex.
Sean

United States

#147 Jul 3, 2009
Tim wrote:
The windows must be the same. I had Qualitex out for an estimate for my house and they left me a flyer. After doing a web-search Amerimax windows website has the same exact photos as the Qualitex brochure.
Now I just need to do some research to see if the windows have the same warranty. Also, has anyone heard anything good or bad about these windows? I checked the BBB and they have no complaints about Qualitex.
I am looking at Amerimax windows and most of my quotes are around $450 to $600 a window installed. The patio sliding door is around $1,500 to $2,000 installed. Prices vary greatly depending on the dealer. How much is Qualitex charging? I am also getting quotes on Simonton windows and patio door and their prices are a little more reasonable from dealer to dealer.
California Deluxe Windows

United States

#148 Jul 4, 2009
I just got an estimate from California Deluxe Windows and it lasted 2 hours. The salesman was a pushy guy that was upset I didn't buy windows from him. Telling me that the price was good only today. I guess California Deluxe thinks their window is worth over $1,000 a piece. Are there people that actually fall for their sales pitch of being the best window out there? I would not buy a California Deluxe Window since their salesman are so pushy.
Sidney

United States

#149 Jul 8, 2009
Looks like if the Cap and Trade Bill that was just passed by the House could become law. If so every homeowner will have to upgrade their house to a energy level (energy efficient windows, furance, A/C, roof, etc.) before they sell it or are allowed to sell it. A homeowner would have a green complient officer come to their home (this wont be free) and tell the homeowner what they need to do before they are ALLOWED to sell it. Doesn't matter the cost! New homes will have to be built green. The cost of new homes will skyrocket with these green materials having to be used. I can't believe no one is talking about how this will effect homeowners.
Cindi

United States

#150 Jul 8, 2009
I had Milgard Tuscany windows installed in my rental property last year and had nothing but problems. Milgards service is good but the windows would not stay up. Also the lock is not very good. It doesn't lock all the time.
Tyler M

United States

#151 Jul 11, 2009
I got the Superior Ultima vinyl windows with the 1" scupltered grids. Superior is one of the few companies that qualifies for the $1,500 tax credit with the 1" sculptered grids. Milgard and Simonton qualify too but are much more expensive.
James

Dallas, TX

#152 Jul 11, 2009
Simonton windows are very good windows. I would recommend Simonton to anyone looking for good vinyl windows. Simonton has a good warranty. The screen warranty I have used twice. Each Simonton window has a bar code with a number on it so they don't have to come out and do a service call. Both times Simonton has sent me a replacement screen UPS at no charge.
Window pricing

United States

#153 Jul 14, 2009
Here are some window estimates that I have recieved so far. I have a few more estimates coming in and will post those too.

Estimates so far for 8 windows and 2 patio sliders(1 6' and 1 8'):

Anlin with Super Spacer, Argon and Low-e366
American Vision Windows $8,300

Milgard Tuscany with 3DMAX
OK MFG $10,000
Bodies Glass $7,800
A New View Window $7,200
US Window $7,250.00
Agressive $6,800
Door and Window Plus $6,600

Simonton 7300 with White Superspacer, argon and Low-e366
Unided Home Builders $8,200
Republic Windows $7,800
Bodies Glass $7,500
Door and Window Plus $6,700

Amerimax with Superspacer, argon and Loe-e366
Progressive $8,800
Hardy Windows $7,400
Door and Window Plus $6,800

Local window manufacturers
Brothers Home Improvement $7,400
Win-dor $7,200
Danjo Windows $7,100

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