PeterT

Woodland Hills, CA

#220 Dec 24, 2009
Couldn’t conclude frm forum Amerimx & Milgard were overrated. If anything lots of contradictions that made my search frustrating. But am grateful for everyone’s posts. Did my research and selected Amerimax (over Milgard, Superior, Simonton) for these reasons:

WARRANTY: All have lifetime on MATTERIAL but differ on labor, breakage, screen, etc. Without doubt Simonton has best warranty– lifetime on everything. Installed them in previous home, after 10 yrs called them about torn screen door, they replaced. I think Milgard gives 30-day on screens - a joke. Superior has 1-year, not much either. Amerimax covers materials for life but 20 yrs on labor. A compromise but all things considered is a good warranty.

SIGHTLINE: This is what gives windows curb appeal. It means glass part is the SAME size on each window section. Amerimax & Superior have even sitelines, Simonton sort of, Milgard’s sliding section is dramatically smaller than the fixed - looks aweful. Once I saw it, couldn’t consider Migard on any other feature. I’m not all about looks but it was dramatic enough to turn me off.

DESIGN: Only Amerimax added extra touches of styling - beveled edges on exterior border and on interior slider tracks & extra groove line on frame (inside and out) simply for style. Everyone else has plain flat frames and overall boxy look.

EFFICIENCY: All brands can qualify for tax rebate, but some charge you fancy named upgrades to qualify. & just b/c they qualify don’t mean they have same efficiency —read rating data closely. Was sold on Amerimax for their triple weather strips, others had 1-2 max. That is, when window shuts, the slider goes deep into the frame slot & makes contact on all 3 wall surfaces with a weather strip on each contact (other brands don’t do this). This was huge for me. Common sense tells me this will block out more noise, dust, the elements. I’m in S. Cal but my kids rooms are very cold in the AM. Those of you in colder regions could better appreciate this.

Other details that were important to me:
• Brass rollers: Amerimax & Superior have brass rollers while Simonton & Milgard have a narrow nylon type. Although they are covered by warrantees but plastic wheels will wear sooner than brass ones.
• Cam-lock vs self-lock: Amerimax & Simonton have double manual cam-locks while Superior & Milgard have self-lock. Everyone wants the self-lock (Simonton is coming out with a self-lock I heard), but having installed my company’s booth at tradeshows using cam-locks I prefer their engineering. How they work: The self-lock is simply a spring loaded gate that prevents window from opening once it “clicks” shut—single handed closure. On a cam-lock, a hook grabs and pulls the two frames together tight. Takes a little more effort/time to close but I prefer added tightness and security.
• Dealer: Half of what makes a quality window is installation. May also make a difference whether a company honors their warranty if installation was done by certified crew or by a “handyman”. Make sure you pick a dealer who’s been in business & has a good record with BBB & certified install crew. For the record, I went w/ Hardy Windows in Anaheim who has warranty on install and priced good as any "contractor". They also have showroom of practically every brand worth looking at. Brian at Door & Window Plus in South El Monte was also competitive and straight/honest—recommend him—carries all of these brands.
• Price: Amerimax is not cheapest, but clearly not expensive. Considering all features, was best value for my money. Here are best prices (tax & installed) for my job after faxing dozens of dealers. Listed in order of my rating.
- Amerimax:$7000
- Simonton:$6850
- Superior Ultima:$6500
- Milgard Tuscany:$6520

I’ll come back and post a follow up after they install them next week.
Larry

United States

#221 Jan 9, 2010
Do not get the self cleaning glass. Most people don't realize but its a coating on the outside of the window that can only be applied by the window manufacturer. It doesn't work that great. I have had my windows only 2 years and I have lots of scratches/marks on my windows. I have the self cleaning glass from Cardinal on all my Anderson windows. So when the sun hits the windows you see every scratch on the window. Your window warranty does not cover scratches/ marks. Stay clear of this feature if you are getting new windows.
Cassandra

United States

#223 Jan 28, 2010
I really want to go with Amerimax and there arn't very many other window options in my area (near Chico, CA). We have a small home and recieved a quote for 4 windows aprox 93x45, 43x45, 69x45, 39x45

He qouted me $3087. That seems really high now from reading over these other posts. Do you think it is higher per window because there are so few? I really like these windows but don't want to be ripped off. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Cassandra

United States

#224 Jan 28, 2010
oops it was actually $3,870 so about $967 a windo
PTruong

Escalon, CA

#225 Jan 28, 2010
Cassandra wrote:
oops it was actually $3,870 so about $967 a windo
That sounds high to me. Never go with only one Or two quotes. I got over 20 quotes for my windows but that was before I narrowed to Amerimax for which I could only find three retailers near Buena Park. Then I let each know they were competing for my business to keep them sharp and negotiated with the one I felt comfortable with after feeling them out. Four windows isn't a bug job but it's still four windows. Depending on features you've selected maybe you can negotiate to price b/t $2400-3000 out the door (taxed and installed). Tell them your budget is $2k and see what they say. Good luck.
PTruong

Escalon, CA

#226 Jan 28, 2010
Also, I got over 20 quotes without leaving my home, by finding them on online Yellow pages and faxing list of window sizes and features I wanted to all retailers in my area carrying brands I was considering. Most faxed quotes within a day or two. Then I compared and negotiated best ones down.
Contact Amerimax directly for list of dealers in your area.


PTruong

Escalon, CA

#227 Jan 28, 2010
On second thought, I don't think anyone should have to pay more than $500 per window, regardless of brand.
jim

Santa Clara, CA

#228 Feb 4, 2010
Jennifer wrote:
I put Anlin vinyl windows and think they are just ok. I thought installing new vinyl windows in my home would have saved me more money on my energy bills but haven't. Haven't had any problems with them but I don't use them much since I have air conditioning. Anlin vinyl windows were not cheap either. Probably would buy another vinyl window brand if I needed vinyl windows again if I ever move. Got sold by the saleman saying that Anlin vinyl windows are the best and most energy efficient. They aren't.
I beg to differ. I work for a window company that sells many brands. The most important part of the window is the glass, then the frame. There are two factors that go into a window. Solar heat gain which is the amount of energy trying to get in, and U-factor which is the amount of energy trying to leave the house. Feb 2009 a tax credit came out, and required windows to have a ufactor lower then 30 and a solar heat gain lower then 30. Then anlin product did not have to change anything to meet the requirements. The anlin product has a .27 Ufactor and a .22 solar heat gain which is one of if not the best ratings for a dual pane product.
jim

Santa Clara, CA

#229 Feb 4, 2010
I beg to differ. I work for a window company that sells many brands. The most important part of the window is the glass, then the frame. There are two factors that go into a window. Solar heat gain which is the amount of energy trying to get in, and U-factor which is the amount of energy trying to leave the house. Feb 2009 a tax credit came out, and required windows to have a ufactor lower then 30 and a solar heat gain lower then 30. Then anlin product did not have to change anything to meet the requirements. The anlin product has a .27 Ufactor and a .22 solar heat gain which is one of if not the best ratings for a dual pane product
tt from whittier

Downey, CA

#230 Feb 15, 2010
Can anyone share your opinion regarding Atrium Aspiration windows? My mother is considering this window and since I haven't seen it mentioned at all on the forum, I'm wondering if the product is not worth talking about at all.
Thanks for any help you can share!
PeterT

Woodland Hills, CA

#231 Feb 16, 2010
tt from whittier wrote:
Can anyone share your opinion regarding Atrium Aspiration windows? My mother is considering this window and since I haven't seen it mentioned at all on the forum, I'm wondering if the product is not worth talking about at all.
Thanks for any help you can share!
Here's a Topix link to a thread on Atrium windows (seems there are more negative reviews than positive): http://www.topix.com/forum/city/anaheim-ca/TU...

I can't speak for their product but my impression of Atrium when I did my window search was that they were pushy and expensive. When they scheduled to come to my house for a demo, they insisted on my wife being present (first clue they are pushy and expensive), and when the salesman showed up she wasn't available he refused to give the demo and wanted to reschedule for when my wife was available. I told him he was wasting my time and crossed Atrium off my list.

P.
tt from whittier

Norwalk, CA

#232 Feb 16, 2010
Thank you so much for directing me to the link. Definitely not going to go with Atrium. I just read that filed Chapter 11 a couple of weeks ago, too.

I think I'm going to look at Milgard windows since that seems to be more in my mother's budget
PTruong

Palmdale, CA

#233 Feb 16, 2010
tt from whittier wrote:
Thank you so much for directing me to the link. Definitely not going to go with Atrium. I just read that filed Chapter 11 a couple of weeks ago, too.
I think I'm going to look at Milgard windows since that seems to be more in my mother's budget
TT, scroll up to my post on Dec 24 and read what things to look for and (at the risk of sounding like a Amerimax salesman) why I think Amerimax might be a better choice than Milgard. And it's not really more expensive.
You can contact me at ptruong@rbhnet.com and I'll try to give you as much tips as I have from spending a couple of months researching for my own home. Window shopping was a frustrating experience for me and I'd be happy to spare others of some of the stress if I can.
P.

Jsquared

West Covina, CA

#234 Feb 19, 2010
we got an estimate for 8 windows..Anlin windows for 6K by the SCCCI company. Do you think that sounds resonable? we live at LA county area.
Mozilla

North Hollywood, CA

#235 Feb 22, 2010
Hello, I would like to know:
1-how do the Milgard Styline and Classic compare to Tuscany?
2-What is single hung vs. double hung?
3-Are Home Depot and Loews good installers?
4-What thickness should the window panes be? 1/8, 3/16, vs. 1/4?? Who ensures that what I order is soundproof, etc. enough?
5-If you get a 1/8 and 3/16 or 1/8,1/8 double paned window, do you need the upgrades of more energy efficiency?
6- I am not removing stucco, I was told that they use something called EZ frame (?) which just pops right in. Is that right?
Vinyl Window Pro wrote:
I sell vinyl replacement windows and would rank them this way.
1. Simonton vinyl replacement windows
2. Amerimax vinyl replacement windows
3. Anlin vinyl replacement windows
4. Milgard Tuscany vinyl replacement windows
5. Atrium vinyl replacement windows
6. Certainteed Somerton vinyl replacement windows
7. Superior Ultima vinyl replacement windows
8. Polybau vinyl replacement windows - horrible service.
9. Milgard Styleline vinyl replacement windows
10. Superior Deluxe vinyl replacement windows
Top 4 vinyl window brands are pretty close in quality. Some standard features are different. After top 4 warranty and service become issues. Milgard Tuscany and Amerimax probably the cheapest. Amerimax has all the bells and whistles but Milgard Tuscany can be upgraded to have the same features. Can't go wrong with any of the top 4 brands listed. Make sure you get a good installer or getting a good window won't matter.
Jeff

Covina, CA

#236 Feb 26, 2010
PeterT wrote:
Couldn’t conclude frm forum Amerimx & Milgard were overrated. If anything lots of contradictions that made my search frustrating. But am grateful for everyone’s posts. Did my research and selected Amerimax (over Milgard, Superior, Simonton) for these reasons:
WARRANTY: All have lifetime on MATTERIAL but differ on labor, breakage, screen, etc. Without doubt Simonton has best warranty– lifetime on everything. Installed them in previous home, after 10 yrs called them about torn screen door, they replaced. I think Milgard gives 30-day on screens - a joke. Superior has 1-year, not much either. Amerimax covers materials for life but 20 yrs on labor. A compromise but all things considered is a good warranty.
SIGHTLINE: This is what gives windows curb appeal. It means glass part is the SAME size on each window section. Amerimax & Superior have even sitelines, Simonton sort of, Milgard’s sliding section is dramatically smaller than the fixed - looks aweful. Once I saw it, couldn’t consider Migard on any other feature. I’m not all about looks but it was dramatic enough to turn me off.
DESIGN: Only Amerimax added extra touches of styling - beveled edges on exterior border and on interior slider tracks & extra groove line on frame (inside and out) simply for style. Everyone else has plain flat frames and overall boxy look.
EFFICIENCY: All brands can qualify for tax rebate, but some charge you fancy named upgrades to qualify. & just b/c they qualify don’t mean they have same efficiency —read rating data closely. Was sold on Amerimax for their triple weather strips, others had 1-2 max. That is, when window shuts, the slider goes deep into the frame slot & makes contact on all 3 wall surfaces with a weather strip on each contact (other brands don’t do this). This was huge for me. Common sense tells me this will block out more noise, dust, the elements. I’m in S. Cal but my kids rooms are very cold in the AM. Those of you in colder regions could better appreciate this.
Other details that were important to me:
• Brass rollers: Amerimax & Superior have brass rollers while Simonton & Milgard have a narrow nylon type. Although they are covered by warrantees but plastic wheels will wear sooner than brass ones.
• Cam-lock vs self-lock: Amerimax & Simonton have double manual cam-locks while Superior & Milgard have self-lock. Everyone wants the self-lock (Simonton is coming out with a self-lock I heard), but having installed my company’s booth at tradeshows using cam-locks I prefer their engineering. How they work: The self-lock is simply a spring loaded gate that prevents window from opening once it “clicks” shut—single handed closure. On a cam-lock, a hook grabs and pulls the two frames together tight. Takes a little more effort/time to close but I prefer added tightness and security.
After reading some of the window warranties I wanted to clear up a few things. Ask for the manufacturer's window warranty when shopping for windows.
Screen / Glass Breakage info
Amerimax has a separate warranty for just screens and glass breakage. Amerimax does not warranty the labor. This warranty is given only to certain Amerimax dealers so ask to see the warranty card since it is not listed on Amerimax's website.
Amerimax screen warranty does not include labor.
Amerimax glass warranty does not include tempered glass or labor.
Milgard Tuscany and Simonton 7300/Simonton 7500 cover tempered glass breakage and labor. Tempered glass on a patio door will set you back at least $600 and up including installation.
Milgard screen warranty is 1 year like most manufacturers.
Simonton gives you the option of nylon or brass rollers. Both have lifetime warranties.
Milgard Tuscany has even sight lines.
Cam locks vs auto locks - all window locks must pass California's entry test. Pick the one you like.
Just wanted to get the corect information out. Hope it helps.
Jeff

Covina, CA

#237 Feb 26, 2010
After reading some of the window warranties I wanted to clear up a few things that people have posted before.

Screen / Glass Breakage info
Amerimax has a separate warranty for just screens and glass breakage. Amerimax does not warranty the labor. This warranty is given only to certain Amerimax dealers so ask to see the warranty card since it is not listed on Amerimax's website.
Amerimax screen warranty does not include labor.
Amerimax glass warranty does not include tempered glass or labor.

Milgard Tuscany and Simonton 7300/Simonton 7500 cover tempered glass breakage and labor. Simonton Verona does not have a glass breakage warranty.

Tempered glass on a patio door will set you back at least $600 and up including installation.

Milgard screen warranty is 1 year like most manufacturers.

Simonton gives you the option of nylon or brass rollers. Both have lifetime warranties.

Milgard Tuscany has even sight lines.

Cam locks vs auto locks - all window locks must pass California's entry test. Pick the one you like.

Just wanted to get the corect information out. Ask for the manufacturer's warranty when shopping for windows.
Anon

Concord, CA

#238 Feb 26, 2010
Jennifer wrote:
I put Anlin vinyl windows and think they are just ok. I thought installing new vinyl windows in my home would have saved me more money on my energy bills but haven't. Haven't had any problems with them but I don't use them much since I have air conditioning. Anlin vinyl windows were not cheap either. Probably would buy another vinyl window brand if I needed vinyl windows again if I ever move. Got sold by the saleman saying that Anlin vinyl windows are the best and most energy efficient. They aren't.
Are you sure you really needed new windows?
Geoffrey Reynolds

Sunland, CA

#239 Mar 11, 2010
I found the highest quality vinyl windows for the price in Southern California was United Windows.. They were awesome. Home depot and lowes came in at approximately $16,000 for my 22 windows and 2 patio doors. United was $8300.00 installed. They are a factory. Oh and their windows qualified for the tax credit of $1500 which made the price even lower. I believe they are in Pico Rivera. http://www.unitedvinylwindow.com
David

Pasadena, CA

#240 Mar 11, 2010
Geoffrey Reynolds wrote:
I found the highest quality vinyl windows for the price in Southern California was United Windows.. They were awesome. Home depot and lowes came in at approximately $16,000 for my 22 windows and 2 patio doors. United was $8300.00 installed. They are a factory. Oh and their windows qualified for the tax credit of $1500 which made the price even lower. I believe they are in Pico Rivera. http://www.unitedvinylwindow.com
I got a quote from United Windows after findinig them on Craigs list and the price was in the middle of my estimates I got from other window dealers that were selling similar looking windows. Home Depot and Lowes aren't cheap like people think. The salesman told me the United Windows vinyl is made in China. I also asked the salesman for the United Window Warranty in writing as well as the NFRC and AAMA information for the window and never got it. It came down to that I had too many questions about United Windows to give them my business. I am still looking for windows.

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