California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

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Comic Relief

Covina, CA

#12650 Oct 12, 2012
Two tokes and yur laughing so much anyay.
NoBlamer 2012

Mcarthur, CA

#12651 Oct 12, 2012
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER wrote:
why is so easy to win these debates??
because the philosophy of the right, is based solely on self inteest.
if the amercian public liked those values you offer??
people like romney would be in power perpetually..
but this is country of working people....
so your soak the rich rhetoric doersnt go over well.
I havnt heard a single cohearant arguement from the right in years, regarding the middle class.
you do understand,
you already stated you smoke hash
that is not covered by the 215

that is a felony
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER

Anderson, CA

#12652 Oct 12, 2012
NoBlamer 2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
you do understand,
you already stated you smoke hash
that is not covered by the 215
that is a felony
I state again that I smoke hash...

read the text of 215 again....

a little line about derivatives or processed goods....

butane hash is not covered, just cold water hash and finger hash.

AS I remember, your stock response to anything I have to say is "liar""

but please do look closely at the text of 215 before making such an errant statement.
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER

Anderson, CA

#12653 Oct 12, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at the poll numbers..........LOL
But Canada and Mexico are behind oslama and slipping in lots of cash.....
They want oslama to win as they are expecting over a trillion dollars to leave the country as business owners dont trust oslama.....
If by chance oslama wins it will be the end of the USA as we know it.....
Businesses are sitting on record amounts of cash and will not start spending it or hiring people until oslama is fired.....
At the last two international economic forums oslama was the number one buzz word......
Audi turned down almost free property in La. to build its first ever Americas pant but they instead decided on Mexico and stated that the unsure business conditions that oslama has created in the USA was not a environment for building fine high quality cars.....
They went on to say that most of the workers would come from Europe and the US as they did not want to have to retrain a new crew.........So low wages had nothing to do with the decision.......
That 15% max tax rate in Canada for the rich and business will look even better if oslama raises taxes on the rich..........LOL
"if oslama wins it will be the end of the USA as we know it??"

really, youre like 60, can you really be that silly and childish??

are you progressing THAT fast towards senality??

that statement sounds like it came from someone who is high on something.

I hear teatards say that constantly.....

yet all I see is 30 months of continious job growth, after we nearly fell off an economic cliff with your party in control....

we were, in fact, shedding 700000 jobs a month when Obama was sworn in......within a year?? we were gaining jobs again.....

and no thanks to the fillibuster happy obstructionists in congress..

every jobs bill( after the stim) has been stopped by them.

now you clowns want the keys back??....because the economy isnt fixed fast enough, after you clown broke it???

too F***ing bad.... most voter are wiser than you.

and too bad the president of the united states can not interceed in every business deal you want them to....

but companies move.....many moved when romney was govenor??
how about those??

or how about all the companies romney vuturized to make his fortune....?? not a word right?

he literally took food off the table of middle class americans to pad his cayman island accounts...

whine about the debt lately..???

dont whine about it to me??

the uber wealthy have managed to offshore 32 trillion dollars !!!

that is enough to pay off the debt twice!!

NOT a peep on this from republicans, when I grill them(like im
grilling the bag out you)

if you think americans are going to fall for the Romney as a moderate act?? dream on.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#12654 Oct 12, 2012
NoBlamer 2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
you do understand,
you already stated you smoke hash
that is not covered by the 215
that is a felony
So that is what is wrong with you.........LOL

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#12655 Oct 12, 2012
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER wrote:
<quoted text>
"if oslama wins it will be the end of the USA as we know it??"
really, youre like 60, can you really be that silly and childish??
are you progressing THAT fast towards senality??
that statement sounds like it came from someone who is high on something.
I hear teatards say that constantly.....
yet all I see is 30 months of continious job growth, after we nearly fell off an economic cliff with your party in control....
we were, in fact, shedding 700000 jobs a month when Obama was sworn in......within a year?? we were gaining jobs again.....
and no thanks to the fillibuster happy obstructionists in congress..
every jobs bill( after the stim) has been stopped by them.
now you clowns want the keys back??....because the economy isnt fixed fast enough, after you clown broke it???
too F***ing bad.... most voter are wiser than you.
and too bad the president of the united states can not interceed in every business deal you want them to....
but companies move.....many moved when romney was govenor??
how about those??
or how about all the companies romney vuturized to make his fortune....?? not a word right?
he literally took food off the table of middle class americans to pad his cayman island accounts...
whine about the debt lately..???
dont whine about it to me??
the uber wealthy have managed to offshore 32 trillion dollars !!!
that is enough to pay off the debt twice!!
NOT a peep on this from republicans, when I grill them(like im
grilling the bag out you)
if you think americans are going to fall for the Romney as a moderate act?? dream on.
Wrong again.......I am in my early 40s.....

Look at what Steve Wynn said.....He will not start expanding or hiring until oslama is gone....

Of the thousands of business owners and CEO's that attended the two inter nation economic forums held here oslama was the key buzz word at when the economy will start moving.......When he is fired.....

No business are going to start expanding until oslama is booted.....

Serious question........

Canada has a max tax rate now for the rich at 15% and that is after you take all of your deductions....

Google paid one billion in taxes to the federal government......

What would they lose by moving to Canada and saving over 600 million dollars in taxes for one year???

Now if oslama raises taxes on the rich and corporations like he wants the tax n=bill for Google for that year will go up to 1.3 billion dollars so they would save close to a billion dollars by moving to Canada.....Per year......

Tell us why Audi turned down almost free property to build their first ever Americas factory to build cars and instead move to Mexico and state they will be hiring Americans and Europeans to work the factory as they dont want to start from scratch and hire Mexican nationals....???

They said the same thing Steve Wynn said..........oslamanomics.... ......

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49387601
Comic Relief

Covina, CA

#12656 Oct 12, 2012
The pass word is Willard Mitt.
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER

Anderson, CA

#12657 Oct 12, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
So that is what is wrong with you.........LOL
no amount of complaining about the elite not making out better is gonna win this thing for your side...

the elite are actually making out just fine....

corporate profits are at record levels during the obama years...

the market is in the 13000 range for months now...

yet employment laggs....

the wealthy are slaves to the markets you fool....

they will expand if they get the orders.....that is business..

otherwise there is no motive for them to expand inventories and hire more people......the middle class are only group that can create demand,.... ceratinly not another tax cut for the wealthy.

are you admitting some republican business leaders are trying to oust the president??

because that is common theme.(see PA gov. tom corbett)

but it failed, as the courts have struck down the voter suprsssion efforts of your party....

you guys hate demmocracy so much?? it is sooooo inconvienient to you.???

that the lawmakers in your party have to cheat...

the middle class is responsible for creating all that wealth that the elite have offshored??

the debt could be taken care of tommorow...

you guys just dont get it??

the middle class IS the markets....and you destroy them at your own peril. mo markets?? Mo wealth.....NO markets??? NO wealth.

get it fool??

I didnt think so.
Comic Relief

Covina, CA

#12658 Oct 12, 2012
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NoBlamer 2012

Mcarthur, CA

#12659 Oct 12, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
So that is what is wrong with you.........LOL
what do you mean ?
Willard busted

Covina, CA

#12660 Oct 12, 2012
Suck it up Willard Mitt Romney you a cheap crook who steals.

Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Use My Phrase!

The one and only "Friday Night Lights" creator Peter Berg told presidential candidate Willard Mitt Romney, asking the politician to stop using the phrase "Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose," a well-known line from the beloved series, during his campaign appearances.

Just goes to show you what these Republian tea baggers crum-bums are really like in person..
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER

Anderson, CA

#12661 Oct 12, 2012
NoBlamer 2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
what do you mean ?
he has some weird idea that smoking pot or hash would impair my ability to debunk all sttoopid self centered arguements from the right.

it actually justs makes it more fun and creative.
Comic Relief

Covina, CA

#12662 Oct 12, 2012
Don't think before you post, so you can join the ranks of Republican tea baggers.
NoBlamer 2012

Mcarthur, CA

#12663 Oct 12, 2012
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER wrote:
<quoted text>
he has some weird idea that smoking pot or hash would impair my ability to debunk all sttoopid self centered arguements from the right.
it actually justs makes it more fun and creative.
wow the lassen grizzlies sure spanked the anderson cubs tonight

do you have to be gay to make the team ?

or is it just a coincidence ?

lol
Comic Relief

Covina, CA

#12664 Oct 12, 2012
Gum paper is perfered but it all burns the same.
Bruno24

Belgium

#12665 Oct 13, 2012
LYIN AYN RYAN wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with your post, except Ive never heard in my 32 years(minus4) as a pot head, of cannabis being mixed with anything, except tobacco.......
and that is something done on the spot, not by manufacture...
I never could understand why the euro's did that to perfectly good weed......mabey most of them are light weights, when it comes to good weed.....at least outside of amsterdam.
cheers
I agree with you. Never heard about that, neither in my country (belgium), where we can grow two plants, nor in The Netherlands, where pot is illegal but tolerated. But I heard that in some countries where pot is severely repressed, some "weed" in the street are mixed with all sort of unhealthy stuff. I was just hypothesizing reasons why cannabis could be locally a gate way drug, and explaining that if that was the case, the reason would still be only prohibition. But the studies shows that even when illegal, pot is not dangerous, nor is it a gateway product. In fact it is the innocuousness of cannabis which makes it possible to keep it illegal for so long, as prohibition always augment the danger of a product. The guy who got the idea of prohibiting cannabis deserves the Nobel Prize ... in Crime.

Now, most joint *are* for some young people a "gateway" product to an harder drug: tobacco. But again, this is due to prohibition of cannabis, as most young people will laugh at an adult telling them that in a joint the hard (toxic and addictive) drug is tobacco. One of nephew's friend was dead convinced that he was addicted to cannabis, and I told him to try a week with pure cannabis and a week with pure tobacco to test what was the addictive drug, and he realized them that tobacco was the one that hooked him for real indeed.
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER

Anderson, CA

#12666 Oct 13, 2012
NoBlamer 2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
wow the lassen grizzlies sure spanked the anderson cubs tonight
do you have to be gay to make the team ?
or is it just a coincidence ?
lol
dude im 43 and from the east coast...
and I dont live anywhere NEAR anderson....

and sadly i dont follow local sports...

I dont follow your qustion about the homsexuality??

are YOU gay?? do you want to make the team??

are they keeping you off (the team) because of your sexual preferences??

shame on them.
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER

Anderson, CA

#12667 Oct 13, 2012
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you. Never heard about that, neither in my country (belgium), where we can grow two plants, nor in The Netherlands, where pot is illegal but tolerated. But I heard that in some countries where pot is severely repressed, some "weed" in the street are mixed with all sort of unhealthy stuff. I was just hypothesizing reasons why cannabis could be locally a gate way drug, and explaining that if that was the case, the reason would still be only prohibition. But the studies shows that even when illegal, pot is not dangerous, nor is it a gateway product. In fact it is the innocuousness of cannabis which makes it possible to keep it illegal for so long, as prohibition always augment the danger of a product. The guy who got the idea of prohibiting cannabis deserves the Nobel Prize ... in Crime.
Now, most joint *are* for some young people a "gateway" product to an harder drug: tobacco. But again, this is due to prohibition of cannabis, as most young people will laugh at an adult telling them that in a joint the hard (toxic and addictive) drug is tobacco. One of nephew's friend was dead convinced that he was addicted to cannabis, and I told him to try a week with pure cannabis and a week with pure tobacco to test what was the addictive drug, and he realized them that tobacco was the one that hooked him for real indeed.
two plants???
that is it.?

oh well, mabey theyll relax that rule over time.

here in california??

counties are finaly starting to regulate per the request of the state....it took the more republican(rural) counties the longest......16 years.

and some counties dont quite have as big an issue with growing as we do up here in the emerald triagle. so they dont yet have to regulate as much.

until now?? many of them had been hiding behind federal law..

the issue is far from resolved, but we are slowly making progress.

the tenth amendment to our constitution makes clear that matters of personal consuption are to fall under state control.

the federal governemnt wanted more power, so they passed a slew of laws earlier in the twenieth century that consolidated federal power.

federal politicians from both parties(sadly) have done nothing but further empower the federal government.(read bush and obama)

plant numbers in my (humble) opinion are a lousy way to regulate just how much marijuana each patient grows.

with 2 plants?? you can grow a half oz or several lbs.

in cali (because of the ultra high sun index) it could be as much as TEN lbs from two plants!!!

the plant limit counties are imposing dont jibe at all with the state supream court decision, that refers to YOUR doctors discreation.

what else does the government there do to regulate growers???

I think the best way to regulate how much each patient grows, is to stick with canopy sq. footage limits.

they are less ambigious.

in this county, with one acre of land, I am allowed to cultivate a canopy of 100 sq ft.

some counties have imposed wattge limits for indoor grows.

but I think limiting someones electrical usage gets into the area of discrimination.....

they still have to iron out few details like how discriminatory and exculsionary some of the clauses are.

like NO grows wihin 1000 feet of any official place where there are minors. in towns this pretty mucch covers everything.

I think they knew that, and that was their last line of defense.

it will surly be taken to court and struck down.

making people grow in out buildings(for indoors) is exclusionary as well...

not everybody HAS an outbuilding......especially if you live in an apt.

I suspect the only thing that will survive the courts are the canopy sq ft. limits.

thank you for your post, it was interesting.....tobacco is most certainly dangerous in the US because they pulp the tobacco with hundreds of OTHER dangerous chemcals(benzene and formaldahyde, to name two) to make them more addictive. as if they needed to!!
Comic Relief

Covina, CA

#12668 Oct 13, 2012
Elvis' Beverly Hills, California estate up for sale. 1.6 acres and it's located in a locked up community.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#12669 Oct 13, 2012
THE LAST TEA BUTTLICKER wrote:
<quoted text>
dude im 43 and from the east coast...
and I dont live anywhere NEAR anderson....
and sadly i dont follow local sports...
I dont follow your qustion about the homsexuality??
are YOU gay?? do you want to make the team??
are they keeping you off (the team) because of your sexual preferences??
shame on them.
Mr Buttlicker

43 and you are posting 24/7? No wonder you want the great Obama. Why do you post from a place you don't live close to? Would people know who you are from your name > Buttlicker? or does that explain your actions that would identify yourself? Why are you sad that you don't follow sports? what do you suffer from?

Riccardo

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