Store checks out: Closing of McCowans Market leaves a void and ...

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The closing of McCowans Market earlier this month after 51 years in business has some residents concerned about what will take its place and may have others wondering where they can get the Croatian goods that ... Full Story
Mark Wells

Buena Park, CA

#1 Jan 26, 2008
I think it would be a wonderful idea to have a park on the site of the former market. I think the perfect name for the park would be "McCowan's Park" for all of the family members who brought three markets to San Pedro and were positive influences on generations of San Pedrans.

Do I think it will happen? A good friend of mine gave me a picture of a pig resting on a telephone line hung between two poles. So I guess if pigs can fly, why shouldn't we think a park will be placed on the site? I've got the picture of the pig on the wire so it could happen, couldn't it?

There is a Web site for the three single-family houses Mr. Rosenthal is having built on the three lots zoned for single-family homes. The illustrations look great and I do feel those three dwellings can fit into the neighborhood of generally older homes.

It would be even better if Mike, the "former" developer, would build three more beautiful houses on the three lots that are underneath the former market.

The best we could hope for I guess, is a park and three new houses. The best we should hope for is six new beautiful, single-family houses, all on lots of not less than 5,000 square feet in size.

Oh yea, you wouldn't want to stand below that pig on the wire. It usually takes a number 2 as it is ready to take off. I hope we didn't read load of number 2 from Mr. Rosenthal.
cookiemonster nat

United States

#2 Jan 26, 2008
shut up!!!!!!
ur idea sucks this is nat wolff reporting live oon abc news thank u very much!
cookiemonster nat

United States

#3 Jan 26, 2008
Mark Wells wrote:
I think it would be a wonderful idea to have a park on the site of the former market. I think the perfect name for the park would be "McCowan's Park" for all of the family members who brought three markets to San Pedro and were positive influences on generations of San Pedrans.
Do I think it will happen? A good friend of mine gave me a picture of a pig resting on a telephone line hung between two poles. So I guess if pigs can fly, why shouldn't we think a park will be placed on the site? I've got the picture of the pig on the wire so it could happen, couldn't it?
There is a Web site for the three single-family houses Mr. Rosenthal is having built on the three lots zoned for single-family homes. The illustrations look great and I do feel those three dwellings can fit into the neighborhood of generally older homes.
It would be even better if Mike, the "former" developer, would build three more beautiful houses on the three lots that are underneath the former market.
The best we could hope for I guess, is a park and three new houses. The best we should hope for is six new beautiful, single-family houses, all on lots of not less than 5,000 square feet in size.
Oh yea, you wouldn't want to stand below that pig on the wire. It usually takes a number 2 as it is ready to take off. I hope we didn't read load of number 2 from Mr. Rosenthal.
no way this man is insane!!!!!!!!!!
ian

United States

#4 Jan 26, 2008
Does Mark Wells even live in this neighborhood? I'm not too keen on the park idea, much less on any new homes, period. A market is still the best choice, run by someone from the neighborhood, not some "former developer" from Seal Beach. Mr. Rosenthal, why didn't you buy in your own neighborhood?
Simply amazed

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#6 Jan 27, 2008
Can someone please tell me when making money became a bad thing? I'd really like to know because if it's not necessary anymore I'm not going to work tomorrow. I'm embarassed by some of the posts that I've been reading. Is everyone really suggesting that we only allow San Pedro builders to build in San Pedro? Do you think maybe there are a few San Pedro builders that have a made money in other cities? Come on people. The fact that the builders are from Seal Beach is totally irrelevant. We live in the land of the free. Mike was free to buy that store and build within the zoning restrictions just like anyone else. How would you feel if someone told you that you can't build on your property? Or that you can't sell your business? To have contempt and anger for someone elses success is ugly. The person that posted as "Janice" should take a look in the mirror. She actually said that she hopes the agent selling the homes loses business as a result of this. Are you kidding me? That's so ugly, I'm embarassed to say that I come from a town that has someone that openly admits to such spite and malice. She should be ashamed of herself.
the Hawk

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Jan 28, 2008
Of course you are right, business is business, we can sell anything. And the Chinese are not complaining. Even Chrysler fell into foreign hands. Some even sell their own grandmother, and the future of their children too.
Simply amazed wrote:
Can someone please tell me when making money became a bad thing? I'd really like to know because if it's not necessary anymore I'm not going to work tomorrow. I'm embarassed by some of the posts that I've been reading. Is everyone really suggesting that we only allow San Pedro builders to build in San Pedro? Do you think maybe there are a few San Pedro builders that have a made money in other cities? Come on people. The fact that the builders are from Seal Beach is totally irrelevant. We live in the land of the free. Mike was free to buy that store and build within the zoning restrictions just like anyone else. How would you feel if someone told you that you can't build on your property? Or that you can't sell your business? To have contempt and anger for someone elses success is ugly. The person that posted as "Janice" should take a look in the mirror. She actually said that she hopes the agent selling the homes loses business as a result of this. Are you kidding me? That's so ugly, I'm embarassed to say that I come from a town that has someone that openly admits to such spite and malice. She should be ashamed of herself.
mamie le bu

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Jan 28, 2008
Mr. Rosenthal,
I'm sorry that you didn't make the profits you expected in order to maintain the grocery store serving the community. As you pointed out, you were selling goods when you might have been better to sell the SERVICES you provided to individuals. I'm certain that the previous owner could have provided you with his "secrets" to his past success that kept him in business...but you would have had to listen. Listen to the knowledge in the brain and the connectivity to the soul and heart of the business rather than your projected earnings sheets that failed you miserably. This business provided continuity, security, familiarity and much more in the long time employees and the hard to find goods.
I firmly believe that failure was too easy for you to accept and embrace. Now that you state that you'd be willing to sell to the city to install a park? Well, the fact that your price would be on the "low end" of the prices you'd have received for the completed condominiums???? Give us all a break! That property is worth exactly what it is at the time of sale, a distressed commercial property in the midst of a planning fight, zoning change and not only unimproved but now blighted and a detriment to the neighborhood. No way should you receive any additional funds for your unmaterialized pipe dream!!! Are you the same 'man' who bought out the small grocery store right outside Leisure World in Seal Beach?? The one that served elderly residents and provided daily sustenance for non drivers??? Now, they'll turn it into yet another Rite Aid so I guess that the grandparents are expected to schelp on a bus or arrange for private drivers to get to the larger and most unfriendly large grocery stores much further away?

***People need to get in gear and investigate turning the zoning codes in towns to include Neighborhood Serving Commercial category to ensure that the communities are not negatively impacted over the "rights" of developers to realize massive profits at the expense of the neighbors.*** Protect your communities for all who live there, don't let outsider developments trump your lifestyles and manipulate your property values.

CN-1 zoning I believe is the correct terminology and we need a lot of it in many areas to retain community histories and character.
Reality Check

La Palma, CA

#10 Jan 28, 2008
Let's get real people. In regards to the "previous owner" if the store was such a success why did the previous owner sell to a developer. Obviously he wasn't making any money either or why else would he put his "successful" market up on the market to sell. Maybe the old owner was so successful why doesn't he buy it back. Furthermore, since the community want a park to be their and name it after the Mc Cowan's why doesn't the community or old owners buy it and give back to their neighborhood. And as far as your comment on the market in Seal Beach, think about if a small independent market on a busy street in front of Leisure World couldn't make it what makes you think a corner market in a residential market in San Pedro would, especially when there big markets just around the corner. Sure Mc Cowan's Market had customers but for specialty items that you can't get at the big name markets. Come on those of you that shop their know just as well as I do. We all went to Mc Cowan's for the specialty items or small things but when it comes to actual weekly or monthly shopping, I like any one else want go to a market that gives me the biggest deals and we all know there is no way that any independent market can compete with major markets such as Albertson's and Vons. When Mc Cowan's Market was open we should have supported our local market and did our actual weekly shopping instead of using it for our selfish convenience only.
Reality Check

La Palma, CA

#12 Jan 30, 2008
Karlheinz Halter wrote:
"When Mc Cowan's Market was open we should have supported our local market and did our actual weekly shopping instead of using it for our selfish convenience only."
Yes, of course. But being selfish is in; we need to look out for "number one"! That's how these select corporations grow.
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So great you can understand why we lost our corner market.....
the Hawk

Acton, CA

#14 Feb 1, 2008
Reality Check wrote:
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So great you can understand why we lost our corner market.....
It's easy to understand when you look around, and see who our "leaders" are.
Tired of the trolls

Moorpark, CA

#15 Feb 1, 2008
Karlheinz haiter = TROLL
The Hawk = TROLL

We these two find it neccessary to comment on everyone's thoughts is mind-boggling. Their rhetoric is often incomprehensible --what are they trying to say all the time? Do they work for the Daily Breeze. Do they have noting else to do? Why not start your own blog --it's free!! You can ramble your nothings for eternity!!!
the Hawk

Acton, CA

#16 Feb 1, 2008
the Hawk wrote:
<quoted text>
It's easy to understand when you look around, and see who our "leaders" are.
Yes, and most of them lack courage, or they have too much to hide. So they hire handymen to take care of business. Throw those Bozos out, said Lee Iacocca! What are we waiting for?
noel

San Dimas, CA

#18 Feb 12, 2008
If any of you regular shoppers at McCowan's ever paid attention to what was rung up at the register (which was hard to do since they insisted on scanning your items while you were still unloading your basket) you would know that they constantly rang things at the regular price and NOT the sale price! I'm not talking about once in a while, but on a regular basis. When I called it to their attention, there was always some excuse as to why the register wasn't programmed correctly and they would fix it. This was so common it was a joke! I'm not talking 5 or 10 cents, but rather $2 on a tube of toothpaste or $3 on a bottle of wine. This was not by accident, but by design. So, for all you "McCowan's Lovers" out there, how do you feel about them laughing their asses off as you walked out the door? You should be glad you're not being taken advantage of any more! As for the former employees, they probably weren't in on this little "scam", but don't you wonder why they never pressed management to make corrections when errors were noted with regard to price discrepancies? Some people call it guilt by association. Adios, Ciao, Bon Voyage, and Hit the Road.
ex- East Setauket boy

AOL

#20 Jul 26, 2008
noel wrote:
If any of you regular shoppers at McCowan's ever paid attention to what was rung up at the register (which was hard to do since they insisted on scanning your items while you were still unloading your basket) you would know that they constantly rang things at the regular price and NOT the sale price! I'm not talking about once in a while, but on a regular basis. When I called it to their attention, there was always some excuse as to why the register wasn't programmed correctly and they would fix it. This was so common it was a joke! I'm not talking 5 or 10 cents, but rather $2 on a tube of toothpaste or $3 on a bottle of wine. This was not by accident, but by design. So, for all you "McCowan's Lovers" out there, how do you feel about them laughing their asses off as you walked out the door? You should be glad you're not being taken advantage of any more! As for the former employees, they probably weren't in on this little "scam", but don't you wonder why they never pressed management to make corrections when errors were noted with regard to price discrepancies? Some people call it guilt by association. Adios, Ciao, Bon Voyage, and Hit the Road.
Can that really be true? They were all so nice even if they were foreigners.
kay Tarky

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Apr 12, 2010
when did mccowns markets close in san pedro
jodie jarrett

Downey, CA

#22 Sep 3, 2011
hello im looking for patrick oshay he worked at the market with Gabaril both in sanpedro they sould both be a round 30 years old if you know them please e- mail me at jodiec2011@hotmail.com patrick might be in ARIZONA
Katdaddy Tony

United States

#24 Mar 30, 2013
I'm one person glad this BIGGET place is gone. San Pedro is better off without places like this. They never had BLACK"S to work for them so i never spent one penny in that phuked up store...

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