Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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veryvermilion wrote:
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You called it a "logical response". I didn't make those words up, Kim. They're directly from your blog.
And the context of the scripture you use has nothing to do with "a human response to being abused in the most intimate relationship possible."
First off, being the child of a same-sex couple is not "being abused in the most intimate relationship possible." That's a bunch of horseshit and you know it.
Secondly, the text indicates the wickedness of children turning on their parents; brothers turning on brothers. It has nothing at all to do with abuse.
You use scripture--the very words that you claim we should all follow--in a deceitful manner. You twisted this verse to make a point that it was never intended to make.
If you had any decency, you would remove the blog. But I won't hold my breath. You've rarely shown decency.
Curious to see this blog. Care to link?
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Don Sclio wrote:
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LOL!!!
My friends are in the Tea Party. We argue. They sometimes wonder why I back gay rights.
If you want to label me a liberal then by all means it's within your rights.
And WTF does the ACLU and these supposed criminals walking the streets supposedly looking to rape your FUGLY sister have anything to do with gays getting married FREAK??!
Just as I thought, You stupid dumb FK I knew you wouldn't get it right. STFU

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He mentioned his concerns of children raised by homosexuals, which I think can be a good discussion. If you take away those hostile word choices, he makes decent points worth discussion. I'm not defending him, but I think we should discuss child raising. Homosexuals are fine, but what happens when they raise children?
Well, let's look at it this way... Homosexuals are raising a lot of children. The figures range from 6 million to 14 million children being raised by gay people.

The vast majority of these children come from the foster care system or through other adoption programs. LGBT parents are put through a thorough screening--very likely a more thorough screening than heterosexual parent.

And as is the case with any adopted child, these children are truly wanted by the person or people adopting them.

So, I think that it's safe to assume that children who are raised by same-sex parents or a gay parent has about the same chance of having a good childhood and will be as successful in life as any other child.

Now, Kimare is going to throw a study in here that indicates lesbian parents are the worst parents a child can have. But what he will fail to mention is that the children of LGBT couples can have outcomes as adults that have nothing to do with the skills or gender makeup of their parents.

For example, if a child is taken from a broken home and spends years in a foster home before being adopted, this will have an impact on their behaviors. No matter how good a parent's skills, a child's background prior to adoption can and does have a lifelong impact.

But Kimare's study doesn't take this into account. And he also won't tell you that the study he likes to utilize against same-sex parents was funded by a conservative think-tank. And it was timed to be released before the Supreme Court heard arguments and made their decision on same-sex marriage.

The bottom line is that gay parents have the same skills to raise kids as straight parents. They do the best they can do to raise a child to independence and maturity.

If there were significant problems with kids raised by LGBT parents, then courts and social service agencies would have stopped the practice long ago. And we would see widespread problems that could be directly linked to same-sex parents. There would be multiple studies indicating that gay parents do not possess the skills needed to raise children. These studies do not exist.

Where there is no smoke, there is no fire.

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Curious to see this blog. Care to link?
I won't provide a direct link since it would "out" Kimare. His blog clearly identifies him by name. Others have named him on TOPIX. I won't do that here.

However, you can highlight any portion of the words I quoted from it, put them into a Google search and you should be taken directly to his blog.

Also, he might provide the address of his blog himself. If he's got the hubris to put it on the internet, then he shouldn't have any problem providing you with the link.
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What happened to the Frankie Vaudeville
Show???
I want to here some more stories about
You and the broads you screwed, before
during and after The Nam..
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Don Sclio wrote:
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'Pietro' a man???????
Good luck with that.
He's probably 41 years old and still waiting for even one of his balls to drop.
you are always talking about mens balls and penis. You need to move on to a gay porn site you homo. I'm sure want to catch that ball dropping .

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veryvermilion wrote:
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Well, let's look at it this way... Homosexuals are raising a lot of children. The figures range from 6 million to 14 million children being raised by gay people.
The vast majority of these children come from the foster care system or through other adoption programs. LGBT parents are put through a thorough screening--very likely a more thorough screening than heterosexual parent.
And as is the case with any adopted child, these children are truly wanted by the person or people adopting them.
So, I think that it's safe to assume that children who are raised by same-sex parents or a gay parent has about the same chance of having a good childhood and will be as successful in life as any other child.
Now, Kimare is going to throw a study in here that indicates lesbian parents are the worst parents a child can have. But what he will fail to mention is that the children of LGBT couples can have outcomes as adults that have nothing to do with the skills or gender makeup of their parents.
For example, if a child is taken from a broken home and spends years in a foster home before being adopted, this will have an impact on their behaviors. No matter how good a parent's skills, a child's background prior to adoption can and does have a lifelong impact.
But Kimare's study doesn't take this into account. And he also won't tell you that the study he likes to utilize against same-sex parents was funded by a conservative think-tank. And it was timed to be released before the Supreme Court heard arguments and made their decision on same-sex marriage.
The bottom line is that gay parents have the same skills to raise kids as straight parents. They do the best they can do to raise a child to independence and maturity.
If there were significant problems with kids raised by LGBT parents, then courts and social service agencies would have stopped the practice long ago. And we would see widespread problems that could be directly linked to same-sex parents. There would be multiple studies indicating that gay parents do not possess the skills needed to raise children. These studies do not exist.
Where there is no smoke, there is no fire.
Dan posted several links that showed gays are good parents. Considering that homosexuals have to adopt, they must really want and be ready for a child before doing so. Conversely, we have straight couples that accidentally get children. In such a case, homosexuals will probably raise the better child. QED. Good stuff, guys.

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veryvermilion wrote:
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I won't provide a direct link since it would "out" Kimare. His blog clearly identifies him by name. Others have named him on TOPIX. I won't do that here.
However, you can highlight any portion of the words I quoted from it, put them into a Google search and you should be taken directly to his blog.
Also, he might provide the address of his blog himself. If he's got the hubris to put it on the internet, then he shouldn't have any problem providing you with the link.
Ah, a decent man you are. I respect that. Good call on the google thing.

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veryvermilion wrote:
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Well, let's look at it this way... Homosexuals are raising a lot of children. The figures range from 6 million to 14 million children being raised by gay people.
The vast majority of these children come from the foster care system or through other adoption programs. LGBT parents are put through a thorough screening--very likely a more thorough screening than heterosexual parent.
And as is the case with any adopted child, these children are truly wanted by the person or people adopting them..
Where are you getting this figure from?

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Dan wrote:
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Gracias.
There's more but one thing I realized is that showing a bigot the truth is like shining an Eveready flashlight into a mole's eyes.
It blinds them and they just go back to whatever senseless shit in the dark they were doing before.
LOL!!!!
Or if affirms their beliefs, as I briefly mentioned the backfire effect before. Here is an excerpt from wikipedia's cognitive bias article: "A similar cognitive bias found in individuals is the backfire effect, in which individuals challenged with evidence contradictory to their beliefs tend to reject the evidence and instead become an even firmer supporter of their initial beliefs"

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He mentioned his concerns of children raised by homosexuals, which I think can be a good discussion. If you take away those hostile word choices, he makes decent points worth discussion. I'm not defending him, but I think we should discuss child raising. Homosexuals are fine, but what happens when they raise children?
In reality I believe that the answer to the question about how children fare in a same sex family as opposed to a opposite sex family is really quite simple! If there are good caring parents in each of those family's the children will turn out as well balanced,adjusted and compassionate as they would in any good family,the sexual makeup of said family's really has nothing to do with it! I personally know a few same sex couples with children and you couldn't find any better well adjusted children anywhere! Like I said,it's quite simple in my opinion.

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Gustavo wrote:
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you are always talking about mens balls and penis. You need to move on to a gay porn site you homo. I'm sure want to catch that ball dropping .
Don Con has some issues.....it might be from having been breast fed until he was twelve....by his father.

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-Bill Of Rights- wrote:
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In reality I believe that the answer to the question about how children fare in a same sex family as opposed to a opposite sex family is really quite simple! If there are good caring parents in each of those family's the children will turn out as well balanced,adjusted and compassionate as they would in any good family,the sexual makeup of said family's really has nothing to do with it! I personally know a few same sex couples with children and you couldn't find any better well adjusted children anywhere! Like I said,it's quite simple in my opinion.
Veryvermilion and Dan made some good points regarding this. It has been demonstrated that they are more than capable of raising good children. I think in certain circumstances, even better. I think the location plays a big part. I mean if the surroundings are not accepting, there may be dire outcomes. Yet again, why would homosexual couples be in that environment to raise a child?

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-Bill Of Rights- wrote:
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In reality I believe that the answer to the question about how children fare in a same sex family as opposed to a opposite sex family is really quite simple! If there are good caring parents in each of those family's the children will turn out as well balanced,adjusted and compassionate as they would in any good family,the sexual makeup of said family's really has nothing to do with it! I personally know a few same sex couples with children and you couldn't find any better well adjusted children anywhere! Like I said,it's quite simple in my opinion.
There's one element, one connection that can only be provided by one's own mother and father, biological, all other factors being equal. We are all products of a man and a woman.

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Dan wrote:
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Wellllllllll...
..Franky Fizzle has to take SOME time out of his day to surf the net for "Big Booty Mommas", "Crippled Asians R Eazy", "Schoolgirls On The Run" and other porn sites preferred by Fank-N-Beans during his down times.
While Dan Dan the Con Man surfs for barnyard porn, while he blows up his inflatable sheep.

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veryvermilion wrote:
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I won't provide a direct link since it would "out" Kimare. His blog clearly identifies him by name. Others have named him on TOPIX. I won't do that here.
However, you can highlight any portion of the words I quoted from it, put them into a Google search and you should be taken directly to his blog.
Also, he might provide the address of his blog himself. If he's got the hubris to put it on the internet, then he shouldn't have any problem providing you with the link.
Can you perhaps help by telling me what to google? Pretty please? I'm having difficulties here...

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Or if affirms their beliefs, as I briefly mentioned the backfire effect before. Here is an excerpt from wikipedia's cognitive bias article: "A similar cognitive bias found in individuals is the backfire effect, in which individuals challenged with evidence contradictory to their beliefs tend to reject the evidence and instead become an even firmer supporter of their initial beliefs"
Human nature. Even Einstein was susceptible to it.

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douchebaggery wrote:
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Thanks, veryvermilion. I have seen his track record and noticed he is on homosexual topics frequently.
Although I do not agree with him on many aspects, its more efficacious to discuss points with someone rather than to flame them. I just want to understand why he feels so strongly about this, because I did notice he is on a lot of these threads.
I personally do believe that homosexuality is natural as seen in the animal kingdom. I agree with you on your views of homosexuality for the most part.
I like to play devils advocate to facilitate good discussions as I like to study the art of persuasion and debate. There is something called the backfire effect in psychology/persuasion. Feeling so strongly about a subject will only reinforce kimare's beliefs. Knowing this, I am not trying to convince him. I just want to understand his reasoning for this.
But on the note of young gays in the closet, I think that is horrible. I feel that we should be more accepting to the prospect of homosexuality. It's ruining young lives.
Several of us have wondered why it is that Kimare is SO vehemently opposed to homosexuality. And I think we've come up with a couple of possibilities.

1.) He just plain hates homosexuals. And specifically, he doesn't like homosexual men. His arguments rarely have anything to do with lesbians.
Now, he claims to not hate homosexuals. But he doesn't support homosexuality in any way. He doesn't want us to marry. He doesn't want us to have children. He refers to us as unnatural and sexually disordered. He believes that we should be "cured" into oblivion.
I'm not trying to make him look bad. These are beliefs and values that he has clearly stated in the years that I have watched him on TOPIX.

2. The second possibility is that he is one of those pitiable, closeted, self-loathing gay or bisexual creatures who believe they can throw everyone off their scent by being really, really outspoken against the LGBT community.
There are studies that have been completed that shows this to be the case. One such study measured a group of men's level of "homophobia". Those men who scored highest were then attached to a device that measures penile circumference and shown a series of pornographic movies and pictures.
Most of these men "responded" to homosexual erotica.
Freud called it "reaction formation". A person formulates a reaction in order to hide what they consider to be anxiety producing or unacceptable feelings.
I'm of the opinion that Kimare may fall into this category.
Some people say that I'm insulting Kimare by suggesting that he is closeted. But how can it be insulting for a gay man to suggest that another man is gay?
I believe he has frequented this forum (and many more) in an effort to quench his desire to at least be in the vicinity of other gay people. As I've described it to him, we are essentially a "virtual gay bar".
I think if he truly disliked gay people to the extent that he wishes we believed, he would have come here three years ago, made his comments, and then left. And that's what many people who hold anti-homosexual sentiment have done over the years. They're here for a month or two, then they move on.
But he's a fixture here. He's kind of like Norm from "Cheers".
We obviously meet some need of his that goes unfulfilled in his day-to-day life.
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Gustavo wrote:
<quoted text>you are always talking about mens balls and penis. You need to move on to a gay porn site you homo. I'm sure want to catch that ball dropping .
Lmfao

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