Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#204868 Jul 26, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Please read your post. You claim that gays marrying will be the final blow to the institution of marriage for straight people.
You can't really spin that any other way. Either straight people are so weak and silly that gay folks marrying will influence their marriage choices, or your post is a bunch of hooey.
I'm saying that no fault divorce had a devastating unintended effect on marriage and family. That is a simple historic reality. Further weakening marriage by dumbing it down again so SS couples can qualify will only exasperate the situation further.
Reved ups

Monrovia, CA

#204869 Jul 26, 2013
The Justice Department filed its first law suit challenge, to require Texas to seek permission from the federal government before making voting changes.

Because of the state’s history of discrimination in the South and Southwest, including North Carolina and South Carolina.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204870 Jul 26, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I'm not looking at it backwards, I'm looking at the research. The affect on children, and the results of people who bail and remarry, and bail again.
Check it out.
Yes you are.

Your goal is for people to stay married regardless of how miserable, how abusive and how much they are damaging their children.

My goal is for strong marriages with people happy to be married, who work on their relationships and work together for the benefit of their children.

It is just a difference in goals

No fault divorce helps to achieve my goal, your goal is supported by law forcing people to stay married
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204871 Jul 26, 2013
Look at it another way

People married today, WANT to be married to who they are married to, have stronger working marriages.

Because if they are not happy, changing the marital situation is very easy.

that is a good thing.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204872 Jul 26, 2013
guest wrote:
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Lame.
As lame as your masterpiece post which said: "You act like a 12 year old TROLL!"?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204873 Jul 26, 2013
-SNAFU- wrote:
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And I have no idea what the hell you're talking about,but I've noticed that pretty much sums up every off topic post you've made for the last 14 hours you've been on this thread. Maybe you and Randy shouldn't hit the sauce so hard during the day and you may make more sense posting. Have you ever thought about getting some psychological help for your obsession? Again who the hell is bill? LOL
You're Bill you big silly galoot!

$3 Bill, aka Old SniffsButts Bill from Livermore. Fake bronze star and all.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204874 Jul 26, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, like these simple facts about KiMare, from his own public Google blog:
http://watchmann.blogspot.com/search...
Gregory Dale Kirschmann
gregorykirschmann@yahoo.com
Married 36 years, two sons, and one Schnauzer.
Resides in Dillsburg PA effective 2011
Previously Greenville TN effective 2005
Previously Holualoa, Hawaii
These are facts he posted about himself. If you do a Google search you will see more interesting facts about KiMare.
Be careful what you post about yourself online. And then there are those pesky public records when you buy property or there is a UCC filing.
Smile
You're a real creep and you take this stuff way too seriously.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204875 Jul 26, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Actually, they signed up to get an education and a job, with the knowledge that they might be called on to die defending people like you, who would love to deny them, and their families, the same basic civil rights and benefits under the law that everyone else enjoys.
That says a lot about them, and, sadly, a lot about you.
Cool story.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204876 Jul 26, 2013
Quest wrote:
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How does my marriage, or any other gay person's marriage, put any other family "at risk"?
Please provide valid studies, statistics, and references.
"Please provide valid studies, statistics, and references."

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#204877 Jul 26, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes you are.
Your goal is for people to stay married regardless of how miserable, how abusive and how much they are damaging their children.
My goal is for strong marriages with people happy to be married, who work on their relationships and work together for the benefit of their children.
It is just a difference in goals
No fault divorce helps to achieve my goal, your goal is supported by law forcing people to stay married
Your position was the claim of no fault divorce proponents. The historical result does not support that claim. Even you have noted the sad state if marriage and family that resulted.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#204878 Jul 26, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You are looking at it backwards, No fault divorce has strengthened marriage, instead of being forced to stay married, people married today are because they actually want to be married.
People could divorce before, take away the "fault", undermined marriage.
People work on their marriages instead of depending on the law to force their partners to stay with them.
Uhhhhh....huh.....so why the need for "no fault" divorce? People could still divorce, but there had to be legitimate grounds.
No fault divorce is the best thing to happen to marriage.
Oh Madone!
Yes there are more divorces but that is the wrong statistic to look at, those are people that should not be married to one another, unhappy marriages.
Instead, lets look at all the broken homes, of all the children whose parents are no longer together, that might have stayed together, and worked things out for the good of everyone, but had an easy out thanks to the state.
People who stay married today work for their marriages, because they are no longer using the crutch of law to keep them that way
.
Why have the state involved at all then? No crutch at all.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#204879 Jul 26, 2013
Big D wrote:
Look at it another way
People married today, WANT to be married to who they are married to, have stronger working marriages.
Because if they are not happy, changing the marital situation is very easy.
that is a good thing.
The reality is that relationships have ups and downs. Couples that weather those changes end up the healthiest relationships in society. Those that bail end up at the other end with any children joining the devastation.

The easy way is usually not the way.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204880 Jul 26, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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...Finally, I'll just say what I've always said... One person's marriage--gay or straight--will have NO IMPACT on another person's marriage.

...You have no proof (based in science) to back up what you're saying.
That's right. So why do you oppose equality for polygamists?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#204881 Jul 26, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Your goal is for people to stay married regardless of how miserable, how abusive and how much they are damaging their children.
No, no, and no. The goal is not to divorce for trivial reasons, or because there's a rough patch in road. Why do u insist people divorce on a whim?]
My goal is for strong marriages with people happy to be married, who work on their relationships and work together for the benefit of their children.
Yet u argue for people to abandon their marriages and families for trivial reasons, to not ride out the rough seas so to speak.
No fault divorce helps to achieve my goal, your goal is supported by law forcing people to stay married
What goal is that? More divorces, more children growing up in broken homes? You should be so proud.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204882 Jul 26, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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The reality is that relationships have ups and downs. Couples that weather those changes end up the healthiest relationships in society. Those that bail end up at the other end with any children joining the devastation.
The easy way is usually not the way.
Yes they do, including my own, but our love and respect for one another, and the knowledge that divorce was a very real and very easy option helped us to overcome our difficulties, and decide that we wanted to remain with one another. It strengthened our marriage, and our working on our relationship as a priority instead of depending on a law that re-forges wedding rings into handcuffs, benefited ourselves, our marriage and our children.

no fault divorce strengthened the marriages of people that actually should be married to one another. Makes their relationship a priority in their lives without the crutch of law.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204883 Jul 26, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Your position was the claim of no fault divorce proponents. The historical result does not support that claim. Even you have noted the sad state if marriage and family that resulted.
You are looking at the wrong results, you should be looking at how people now work on their relationships, are married to one another because they want to be, not forced by law.

Divorce numbers mean nothing, you should be looking at people that stay married because they want to be married and work together on their relationships, that has increased dramatically.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204884 Jul 26, 2013
Polygamy deserves the SAME respect and consideration as SSM.

Marriage. There is no one right way.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204885 Jul 26, 2013
As VV says, what harm would someone elses marriage cause yours?

Support VV's right to marry more than one man.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204886 Jul 26, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes they do, including my own, but our love and respect for one another, and the knowledge that divorce was a very real and very easy option helped us to overcome our difficulties, and decide that we wanted to remain with one another. It strengthened our marriage, and our working on our relationship as a priority instead of depending on a law that re-forges wedding rings into handcuffs, benefited ourselves, our marriage and our children.
no fault divorce strengthened the marriages of people that actually should be married to one another. Makes their relationship a priority in their lives without the crutch of law.
So you're saying you stayed married despite no fault divorce. Real proud of you! But that's not an argument for no fault divorce.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204887 Jul 26, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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So you're saying you stayed married despite no fault divorce. Real proud of you! But that's not an argument for no fault divorce.
No I am saying that the ease of divorce means that people in abusive relationships do not need to stay married, and people in good relationships work more activly to strengthen thier relationships.

That is a good thing, more poeple that are married today, are happy in thier relationships then before No fault divorce

that is a good thing

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