Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Read more: www.cnn.com 201,862

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Aug 12

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#190432 Apr 29, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Updating it? How do you "update" it by eliminating one half of it, and duplicating the existing half? There's only two sexes. Marriage is a union of both of them.
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Why limit it to couples? Marriage, throughout human history has been either monogamous, or polygamous. Is it fair to deny those who love more than one, marital recognition?
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Again, why limit it to couples? Why maintain certain restrictions at all? If two men/women can marry in certain states, and those same states also allow first cousins to marry, why prohibit same sex siblings from marrying? There is no need to maintain such a restriction.
It's not eliminating one half. I'd suggest a definition of two people instead of one man and one woman. It's not duplicating either... it's not marrying clones. If you want to consider balance how do you know how feminine or masculine each person is; it's making an assumption that a man has traditionally male with a male mind-set and a woman is traditionally female with a female mind-set; or that their roles within a marriage or within a family will be corresponding. By the way, there are in actuality three sexes, which although usually goes unrecognised does not mean it isn't reality.
Are you trying to get me to trip over my own feet by bringing in multi-partner marriage and incest? What's your view?
Multiple partner marriage happens now in certain religions. These relationships also happen without marriage and outside of a religious reason.
The unacceptance of incest relationships is yes, for the family to be a simple and safe place without blurring lines; not that it couldn't work easily enough providing only adults are involved. Yes, it is a constraint of interbreeding as certain diseases increase their potency with close kin mating; but barring that...
Big D

Modesto, CA

#190433 Apr 29, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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More nutz...
You claim that the same people, that only yesterday (relatively speaking) voted for define marriage as "one man/one woman", have now undergone a major change of heart, and all will now vote opposite to how they voted, only a couple of years ago? Was something put into the water? Or, are you that confident that the vote is being "handled"? By the "proper" counters? You know the ones that I mean, the vote changers? The ones that add up all the votes for Romney, and then declare Obammy the winner "by a landslide"?
Yes the same people, it is turning that fast, and as more of our young folk turn of voting age, they are all on the right side of the issue as well.

Prop 8 is toast, regardless of what the court decides

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#190434 Apr 29, 2013
akpilot wrote:
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You guys keep saying that.
Fact is, 31 States have a Constitutional ban on same sex marriage, that is only 7 States shy of a US Constitutional Amendment.
Just keep that in mind, 7 more states and it won't matter what the SCOTUS has to say about the matter.
The Federal Marriage Amendment attempt failed in 2006. And in today's environment, it's even less likely to pass today.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#190435 Apr 29, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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Proof? I usually have no shortage of proof, to back up my claims, as when I displayed the hypocrisy of "X-ed-out", when he called me paranoid, remember that? He said that I was paranoid for saying that this site is operated by biased moderators, then I pointed out how VV gets to type the words "f**ked up" without having to use 2, count them, 2, asterisks, whilst I must edit my posts for those same words? Remember that? Proof? I have made many posts that contained all sorts of rational arguments against what is happening, but I get banned for making good arguments. I have made many non-insulting posts, to many in here, and still I get called "a hater who does nothing but call names" by you, who has obviously not read many of my posts, else, you'd not make such a silly and inane claim. Grow up, sonnie. You're just a chump, and if you believe that being a shadow of Chongo is an honor, you're more addled than I thought.
I've told you several times that your posts come across as angry; as though you're always looking for confrontation and fights.

THAT is why, I believe, you may have been banned.

Whenever I've typed in coarse language, I am alerted by the TOIX system that my words may be offensive. All I do hit the "post comment" tab a second time and my post is created--blue words and all.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#190436 Apr 29, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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It's you who has the hidden agendas. Tell us the truth. It's all about the Benjamins. the money. The financial gain. Not about "love" at all, is it? Want some love? Curl up with someone, and get some. that's all you need to start with, not governmental protection of your fragile status.
waa....

waa,,,,

waa.....


Nothing you can do to stop it.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#190437 Apr 29, 2013
akpilot wrote:
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You guys keep saying that.
Fact is, 31 States have a Constitutional ban on same sex marriage, that is only 7 States shy of a US Constitutional Amendment.
Just keep that in mind, 7 more states and it won't matter what the SCOTUS has to say about the matter.
Oh puh-leez. You don't have the votes to get an amendment out of Congress.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#190438 Apr 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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The Federal Marriage Amendment attempt failed in 2006. And in today's environment, it's even less likely to pass today.
It will never get to the states, I doubt it will pass the house, more Republicans are crossing the fence every week, and cannot possibly pass the senate. There is no point in a constitutional convention of state legislatures as it would require a 2/3 vote of state legislatures to go around the house and senate.

There are not enough states opposed to same sex marriage to get that, you would not even get California ( counted among his 31 states and dropping )

Used to be 50 states that would not recognize same sex marriages, today it is 31 and dropping.

They would not even get 31 states on board and adding 7 is a pipe dream, the momentum is going the other way
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#190441 Apr 29, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes the same people, it is turning that fast, and as more of our young folk turn of voting age, they are all on the right side of the issue as well.
Prop 8 is toast, regardless of what the court decides
White, wheat or rye?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#190442 Apr 29, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Oh puh-leez. You don't have the votes to get an amendment out of Congress.
Oh PAH-LEEZ Miss Thing.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#190443 Apr 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I've told you several times that your posts come across as angry; as though you're always looking for confrontation and fights.
THAT is why, I believe, you may have been banned.
Whenever I've typed in coarse language, I am alerted by the TOIX system that my words may be offensive. All I do hit the "post comment" tab a second time and my post is created--blue words and all.
Yes sir, that is exactly my point. You enjoy the privilege of typing coarse words. When I type those same words, in no more confrontational manner than you, my posts get deleted and never make it the same screen that you are allowed to splash them on. Bias.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#190444 Apr 29, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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waa....
waa,,,,
waa.....
Nothing you can do to stop it.
Unfortunately not. It is a sign that "Idiocracy" has arrived.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#190446 Apr 29, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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Yes sir, that is exactly my point. You enjoy the privilege of typing coarse words. When I type those same words, in no more confrontational manner than you, my posts get deleted and never make it the same screen that you are allowed to splash them on. Bias.
I second that.

I cannot post "F**k" without asteriks. Rose_NoHo, X-Box and certain other "more equal" posters can.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#190447 Apr 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I've told you several times that your posts come across as angry; as though you're always looking for confrontation and fights.
THAT is why, I believe, you may have been banned.
Whenever I've typed in coarse language, I am alerted by the TOIX system that my words may be offensive. All I do hit the "post comment" tab a second time and my post is created--blue words and all.
And I fail to see how a f**ked-up show of bias can be missed.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#190449 Apr 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I've told you several times that your posts come across as angry; as though you're always looking for confrontation and fights.
THAT is why, I believe, you may have been banned.
Whenever I've typed in coarse language, I am alerted by the TOIX system that my words may be offensive. All I do hit the "post comment" tab a second time and my post is created--blue words and all.
And this how it goes, when I omit the asterisks:
And I fail to see how a f**ked-up show of bias can be missed. Please refrain from posting profanity or offensive material.
Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator.
Although I had to edit it, for the post to go through, see? No confrontation here, but, without the asterisks, not gonna go through. So, please save your gentle chidings for someone else. We know bias when we see it.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#190450 Apr 29, 2013
Because I sent the post, sans editing, and it doesn't show.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#190451 Apr 29, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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I second that.
I cannot post "F**k" without asteriks. Rose_NoHo, X-Box and certain other "more equal" posters can.
While they tell others that we are paranoid.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#190452 Apr 29, 2013
While they tell others that we are being paranoid.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#190453 Apr 29, 2013
It was post # 190448. It was deleted. If Rose_NoHo or X-Box posted it, it wouldn't have been deleted.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#190455 Apr 29, 2013
19054 will be deleted.
Bell hop

Covina, CA

#190456 Apr 29, 2013
Frankie, your being paged.

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