Judge overturns California's ban on s...

Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 201892 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189061 Apr 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
off topic alert - an arrest has been made in the Boston bombing, based on video from a nearby department store security cam and news camera footage.
There were no arrests. Disregard Big D's attempt to blame the bombing on same sex marriage opponents!
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189062 Apr 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
You aren’t going to be able to converse with anyone until you have at least a second grade comprehension level.
I am not going to argue with someone that is lying about what I said when it is just a few posts above.
I never said few people, the vast majority of people want to be educated, it is only the ones that choose ignorance that are a waste of time.
Please point to where I sad “few”
Oh for chrissakes relax jackass. You accepted X-Box's assertion that people need to be "re-educated". You said some were not capable of educating.

The point is you two clowns don't get to educate or re-educate people into what you consider proper thought.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189063 Apr 17, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
There were no arrests. Disregard Big D's attempt to blame the bombing on same sex marriage opponents!
they changed the story...

I have not blamed anyone, please point to the post where I have or admit again that you are a liar
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189066 Apr 17, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh for chrissakes relax jackass. You accepted X-Box's assertion that people need to be "re-educated". You said some were not capable of educating.
The point is you two clowns don't get to educate or re-educate people into what you consider proper thought.
again I didnt use the term re-education, learn to read.

8896
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189067 Apr 17, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>No one cares what you think Frankie. No one.
But you do Jizzy! You respond to my every thought. And then you try to tell me you don't care. See how silly you are?

If no one cared, no one would respond. It's a simple concept really.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189068 Apr 17, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Lying is all Frankie has, from his support of gay rights to his fake disability. Its a sham, a house of cards.
Too funny!

Let's entertain your paranoia for a moment and say that is true. So what?

Lets get back on topic. Why are you a homophobe?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189069 Apr 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
again I didnt use the term re-education, learn to read.
8896
Try and relax.
Kenny stins

San Dimas, CA

#189070 Apr 17, 2013
Then there was Ken Herman of the Glendora, California city council who was branded a racists with his own racists words he sent to George Ogden of the SGexamier.com newspaper.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189071 Apr 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
they changed the story...
I have not blamed anyone, please point to the post where I have or admit again that you are a liar
Oh for chrissakes it was a joke. Lame and in very poor taste, but a joke nonetheless. And you know it.

Try and relax.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189072 Apr 17, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Lying is all Frankie has, from his support of gay rights to his fake disability. Its a sham, a house of cards.
Our problem is, that we keep responding to him.

Probably a mistake on our part

I may disagree with others, but at least they are honest about it
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189073 Apr 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Our problem is, that we keep responding to him.
Probably a mistake on our part
I may disagree with others, but at least they are honest about it
That's not your only problem. Your new sidekick Jizzy's another one. He's a real peach! Good luck. Be honest!(yeah right).
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189075 Apr 17, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>True, how true.
In truth I understand the deeply religious stance opposed to same sex marriage, I agree that churches that are opposed to same sex marriages should not ever be forced to preform them.

They are free to have their rules for their churches, but those rules do not apply to people not of their church.

My only objection to them is their trying to enforce their rules on people that aren’t of their particular belief. That is religious tynary and I won’t stand for that, not in this country.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189077 Apr 17, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think that any legal standing could be made to force a church to preform same sex marriages. There are a number of them that do and are willing to.
As for laws, they are not based upon religious principles. This nation will not stand for it. You cant force religious doctrine upon others. When you have a nation, like the USA, there are far to many religions to be considered. What may appeal to Christians may or may not to Hindus, Buddhists or Muslims. None of them appeal to atheists. I don't see SCOTUS, enforcing Prop 8 based upon religious morality.
Or course, I know many churches that want to preform them and others that will not. I don’t have a problem with that.

They can decide never to marry someone with blue eyes and I won’t complain, it is their little club, they can make all the rules they want to and apply them to their little flock. As long as people are only voluntarily in that flock... no problem.

I don’t see that either, with DOMA I expect article 3 to be tossed, It is possible they will overturn all of DOMA, but that will have national consequences like states forced to recognize marriages performed in other states. I think that is the right decision, but I don’t expect the supreme court to do that... not yet, that will happen, but not until a large majority of states recognize same sex marriage. That is coming but will take a while.

With Prop 8 I am not sure what to expect

1 Support the appellate court = prop 8 overturned
2 Decide the opponents have no standing = prop 8 overturned
3 Don’t rule and toss it back to the state = prop 8 over turned
4 Support the opposition and Prop 8 stands until the next election cycle when it will be back on the ballot and overturned.

But the bottom line is, prop 8 is doomed, either this year... or in the very near future.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#189078 Apr 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>one that uses a rational reason for not having SSm legal in the US. you have not put up even one of those yet.
why?
You ignore the most basic and rational of all. Nature has shown us that men were designed to be with women, and vice versa. Without one of each, the species would not survive. Marriage is a ritualistic ceremony to validate the coupling of 1 man and 1 woman. Period.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#189079 Apr 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Or course, I know many churches that want to preform them and others that will not. I don’t have a problem with that.
They can decide never to marry someone with blue eyes and I won’t complain, it is their little club, they can make all the rules they want to and apply them to their little flock. As long as people are only voluntarily in that flock... no problem.
I don’t see that either, with DOMA I expect article 3 to be tossed, It is possible they will overturn all of DOMA, but that will have national consequences like states forced to recognize marriages performed in other states. I think that is the right decision, but I don’t expect the supreme court to do that... not yet, that will happen, but not until a large majority of states recognize same sex marriage. That is coming but will take a while.
With Prop 8 I am not sure what to expect
1 Support the appellate court = prop 8 overturned
2 Decide the opponents have no standing = prop 8 overturned
3 Don’t rule and toss it back to the state = prop 8 over turned
4 Support the opposition and Prop 8 stands until the next election cycle when it will be back on the ballot and overturned.
But the bottom line is, prop 8 is doomed, either this year... or in the very near future.
Waitaminit here! I thought the justices consulted with the mighty Big D, the stealth tenth justice, on a daily basis?
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#189080 Apr 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it would show that it is not a logical conclusion that legalizing SSm would mean we have to legalize polygamous marriage.
logic is fun!
How can you call THAT logic? The logical implication of SSM means marriage restrictions are wrong. That means the bottom line is that no kind of restriction is valid, at all. Period. Any marriage can be legal, OR none but the prescribed 1 man/1woman type. THAT'S logic. Leave the thinking to the properly equipped adults. You promote arbitrary decision making, on who may bend the rules. This is ILLOGICAL.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#189081 Apr 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>heterosexual marraige is in now way essential to social stability, as proven by the countries that have had it for a while and now have a higher standard of living, healthier, happier citizens and better educated kids.
facts are fun!!
your argument was proven wrong before you were told to parrot it...so sad.
Again, those aren't facts, they are "factoids", manufactured for your benefit. No society, that has disrupted the natural order of things, endures.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#189082 Apr 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes we all know the slippery slope arguments against same sex marriage, we have heard them for years.
but some of us are less afraid of that slippery slope than you are. Because the word "marriage" does not belong to a belief system. We will take the issues, one at a time.
This ones time has come, same sex marriage.
And you, who repeatedly mistakes the term "slippery slope" for "logical implication", are wrong again. If we bend the rules for one group, we must, in all fairness, bend them for all. Else, we become an arbitrary dispenser of rights. And, again, I state the your claims that most Americans support your game is nothing short of fraud, use of a "manufactured consensus". A prefabricated sham of a poll, using carefully pre-screened group, designed to achieve a predetermined result.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#189083 Apr 17, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
I KNOW WHO THE BOSTON BOMBERS ARE... Ill bet they are connected to the army of god... ou know a christian hate group...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/eric ...
the bigots brother who oh so sadly can't get the money from the book about his brother is pissed ....
Yeah......keep huffing the glue, darlin', it's making you more coherent every day.....It's really helping. Let me clue you in....It's another governmental tool for inching us closer to martial law. You watch.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#189084 Apr 17, 2013
REX 84. "Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was an alleged secretive "scenario and drill" developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declares a "State of National Emergency". The plan states, events causing such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America. To combat what the government perceived as "subversive activities", the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels." Said camps being kept manned and in full readiness, for the illegals that are now receiving amnesty. The illegals that they will never house. They will be looking at us, inside and looking out. While they inherit our country.

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