Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

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Sure you can, but first you need to actually establish that A( same sex marriage ) leads to B ( poly Marriage ) before you can jump to C ( your sister ) and then we can get to D ( your goat )
So far we don’t have that, just a bunch of opinions.
I am trying to help you here, Brown does not apply because of the state it is happening in, Utah is out of the question because recognition of Poly there will certainly NOT have come from Same sex marriage.
To even start to make the case, you need to get Poly recognized in one of the 10 that recognizes Same sex marriage ( or DC ) Then we can discuss if one actually led to the other.
right now... you got zip , I am trying to show you how you can actually have this argument and it be more than just your opinion.
OK I am also laughing my behind off... but that is beside the point.
Again jackass. I want to discuss poly in relation to marriage equality and same sex marriage. I don't want to actively devote my life to it. Stop ordering me around. "You need to". You need to get an argument!

I am old. And cannot walk. My active political days were in the over a half century ago. Then I'd actively work for an equal rights cause I was passionate about.

Now I just want to discuss equality on a discussion forum. But you shout me down because you think I have an ulterior motive. You're paranoid son. Am I too provocative for you to handle son?
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Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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The first step, which they have done, is to avoid prosecution. It's a long road, but if you're young and healthy enough you'll get so see the end of it!
Imagine! True marriage equality! That will be a great day! Right?...Right Miss Thing?...Right?...Miss Thing?...
Then why aren't the Browns asking for it?
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Same old bullsh!t and diversion, dopey ad hominem and a good dose of nasty meanness against marriage for people you don't like. Nice!
I remember in the early days of same sex marriage there were people exactly like you. With the same dumb jokes.
You think it's funny and crack mean spirited jokes about people being denied equal protection. There are names for people like you. Hypocrite comes to mind.
Who says they were denied equal protection?
Xavier Breath

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The worst way to rebut the slippery slope argument is what you do. Deny it. Call it a fallacy. And the best way is with education. Please educate yourself.
I am going to provide an excellent link by a UCLA professor of the law who is in favor of same sex marriage like you and I are on the slippery slope argument.
You would do well to read it. Get educated. Then ditch the dumb "it's a fallacy!" denial response.
Then you'll have a much easier time when someone like me comes along and plays devil's advocate with your dumb ass.
Hope you read it.
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
...yawn...

Don't you think I've seen that before? Get back to me when the rules change.
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Everything you say I should do I have done. You shout me down, accuse me of lying, ridicule me order me to go out and campaign, and then tell me I should do what I have already done again.
Priceless!
OK let me put it in very simple terms for you.

You are trying to say that one leads to another which leads to another etc

Work to get poly legal in one state, a state that already recognizes same sex marriages ( else your argument won’t work ) and then we can discuss if one led to the other.

If Utah recognizes poly, that won’t work, because Utah does not ( and will not soon ) recognize same sex marriages.

The Brown case is in a state ( I think ) which does not recognize same sex marriages so that certainly would not apply as one leading to the other.

The only way you can even start to make the case that one leads to the other is to get Poly recognized in a state that does recognize same sex marriages ( and preferably not in any state that does not ) and then you can just barely start to make the case that one leads to the other.

after that you can work on your sister, and then perhaps your goat if you really want to carry it that far.:)

But before you can make any argument that one leads to another, you need to get one state to recognize it, a state that currently recognizes same sex marriage.

So far… you got zip

Go get google glass and we will watch, it will be fun!
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We shouldn't have to specify opposite sex, same sex, or poly. It's all marriage. And all should be equal. They are not.
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All should be equal? Let me know when 3 = 2.
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Am I too provocative for you to handle son?
Hardly. You're too stupid.

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Polygamy has been far more active than calling gay couples married.
In any culture. Anywhere. At any time.
Smile.
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Wrong
Not in the US and certainly not lately, so not anywhere and anytime. Same Sex marriage is legal in 10 states and DC, how many is Poly legal in... I will give you a hint..... none
There are today over a hundred thousand legally married gay couples in the US alone, far more than Poly marriages
I am sure I would find the same true in the 17 other countries that legally marry same sex couples.
Welcome to today
However if Poly is so “active” why has there not been more of a push to make it legal?
However if Poly is so “active” why has there not been more of a push to make it legal?
Nice try.

Polygamy has existed in cultures from start to finish throughout human history, and been fully accepted in many. Gay 'marriage' has never been fully accepted and only extremely brief and rarely observed.

And yes, polygamy showed up in the US long ago, and has never been extinguished. Only in the last decade has gay 'marriages' attempted to get a foothold. Hardly a comparison.

As many posters point out, there always has been a push, and if gay couples impose their relationship on marriage, polygamy will legally be required to be accepted. You know that.

Smile.
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Remember the pitfalls

While you are getting those signatures for your ballot measure, if Utah suddenly recognizes Poly Marriage, you just lost your entire case, as that could not possibly have come from Same Sex marriage.

Just want you to be aware of the pitfall in your strawm..... I mean...in your argument.

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Please indicate how property disbursement will be allocated in a poly marriage where a man has say 4 wives.
wife # 1 , married 15 years,
wife #2, married 10 years,
wife #3 Married, 5 years,
wife # 4 married 1 year,
The husband wishes to divorce wife #1. Will she get the house, and a bulk of his assets? How will that be fair to the 3 remaining wives.
He wants to divorce all 4, how will the property be split, will it be based on duration of each marriage.
The husband dies, at that point all 4 are widows, tell me who will receive his social security, will each of them receive the same?
As you can see same sex marriages will not affect any standing laws.
1. If marriage is dumbed down to a friendship as a civil right, it does not matter what laws will be affected.

2. Which brings us to your claim that gay marriage won't affect any standing laws. A silly assertion that your own example proves will require legal changes among numerous other consequences.

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Polygamy has been far more active than calling gay couples married.
In any culture. Anywhere. At any time.
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Nice try.
Polygamy has existed in cultures from start to finish throughout human history, and been fully accepted in many. Gay 'marriage' has never been fully accepted and only extremely brief and rarely observed.
And yes, polygamy showed up in the US long ago, and has never been extinguished. Only in the last decade has gay 'marriages' attempted to get a foothold. Hardly a comparison.
As many posters point out, there always has been a push, and if gay couples impose their relationship on marriage, polygamy will legally be required to be accepted. You know that.
Smile.
You said "anytime, anywhere"

wrong... the time is now, the place is here in the US
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Polygamy has been far more active than calling gay couples married.
In any culture. Anywhere. At any time.
Smile.
So what? Are you attempting to use an appeal to popularity to prove your point?
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As many posters point out, there always has been a push, and if gay couples impose their relationship on marriage, polygamy will legally be required to be accepted.
Smile.
Really? What law is that?
Frankie Rizzo

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Then why aren't the Browns asking for it?
Stupid question.
Frankie Rizzo

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Who says they were denied equal protection?
Polyamorists wishing to marry are denied equal protection Miss Thing.

The are not allowed to do it. They will go to prison if they do.

Same sex and opposite sex marriages are allowed by the feds. You can do it. You won't go to prison, you'll even get lots of free stuff!

This is not equal protection. Are you starting to get it Miss Thing?
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Really? What law is that?
Logic. Fairness. Equal protection.
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<quoted text>Hardly. You're too stupid.
Ad hominem dopiness.

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1. If marriage is dumbed down to a friendship as a civil right, it does not matter what laws will be affected.
2. Which brings us to your claim that gay marriage won't affect any standing laws. A silly assertion that your own example proves will require legal changes among numerous other consequences.
Smile.
How does smae sex marriage change any laws?

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Ad hominem dopiness.
Ad hominem ,Hello Frankie
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Big D wrote:
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OK let me put it in very simple terms for you.
You are trying to say that one leads to another which leads to another etc
Work to get poly legal in one state, a state that already recognizes same sex marriages ( else your argument won’t work ) and then we can discuss if one led to the other.
If Utah recognizes poly, that won’t work, because Utah does not ( and will not soon ) recognize same sex marriages.
The Brown case is in a state ( I think ) which does not recognize same sex marriages so that certainly would not apply as one leading to the other.
The only way you can even start to make the case that one leads to the other is to get Poly recognized in a state that does recognize same sex marriages ( and preferably not in any state that does not ) and then you can just barely start to make the case that one leads to the other.
after that you can work on your sister, and then perhaps your goat if you really want to carry it that far.:)
But before you can make any argument that one leads to another, you need to get one state to recognize it, a state that currently recognizes same sex marriage.
So far… you got zip
Go get google glass and we will watch, it will be fun!
I am saying legalizing same sex marriage will make it much easier to legalize polygamy.

And it will, it's logical, grasshopper. Glad it makes you so silly mad. It makes me happy. I like same sex marriage being allowed I also like poly marriage being allowed.

Marriage is good for society ALL marriages. Not just Big D approved marriages. You have no say in anyone's equal rights. You don't matter. Just grin and bear it. Won't hurt you at all.

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