Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#171857 Dec 21, 2012
KiMare wrote:
Gay couples have never and CAN never replicate that.

The fact is, the number of married couples that don't/can't procreate is so minor, we don't bother to distinguish.
NorCal Native wrote:
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Who said ANYTHING about replicating another's relationship? Gay and Lesbian couples can and do create children and the law DOESN'T care how the children are conceived or if they are adopted......both are considered the offspring of the couple!!!
It DOESN'T matter how many opposite-sex couples CAN/DO/DON'T have children.......if one heterosexual couple is allowed to marry and CAN'T have children.....there goes the procreation argument.......just like it only took one woman to fight for the right to an abortion.....and we have that today!!!
The fact is that the institute of Marriage has been evolving steadily over the last 500 years and it matters not if you agree with it or like it....YOUR APPROVAL OR ACCEPTANCE is not REQUIRED!!!
You have GOT to be a natural platinum blonde!!!

Never ever has a gay couple mutually procreated. You and I are GIFTED with one mother and one father. No one can ever replace that relationship. Any other is a default lessor substitution!

Your argument for marriage is ABORTION!?!?! A mother violating her one unique and sacred privilege? The one place where every child should be the safest??? I am astounded...

What kind of twisted sickness has gripped you as a woman?

Then, "marriage has evolved?" How so? I have traveled around the world. Never had a problem distinguishing marriage anywhere. I love history. NEVER have I had a problem seeing marriage as a diverse gendered couple. Please, I'd love to hear how 'marriage has evolved'...

Do you THINK about what you say, or just repeat gay twirl comments by others???

Seriously!

Please, I'm just a hermaphroditic genetic chimera. A lesbian trapped in an old straight man. I have enough to deal with, don't stress me with this blonde stupidity!

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171858 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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OOOH! Lies. It wasn't great, or funny.
:-D
;)

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#171860 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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Simple, telling a child that something is wrong is the same thing as dening two concenting adults the privilage of marriage if the concenting[sic] adults do not fit the pre-approved pattern of mates. 1100 years ? ROFLMAO at your claim, and I will not bother using the internet to find some prefabricated propaganda that has been recently slipped in, to support your arguments. We are not interested in any religious arguments, in here, and to attempt to do so will result in your being called a fundie. We are using the Constitution, and nought else. But, in order to be a sport, would you please provide me with a link to your "record of it in churches", that I may get a chortle ?
Thank you, in advance, for the belly laugh...Because the Christian church has never (until recently) allowed gay marriage, it was a sin to try to do so.
:-D

Thank you, swizzle stick.
The first historical mention of the performance of same-sex marriages occurred during the early Roman Empire.[68] For instance, Emperor Nero is reported to have engaged in a marriage ceremony with one of his male slaves. Emperor Elagabalus "married" a Carian slave named Hierocles.[69] These were usually reported in a critical or satirical manner.[70] It should be noted, however, that conubium existed only between a civis Romanus and a civis Romana (that is, between a male Roman citizen and a female Roman citizen), so that a marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases).[71] Furthermore, "matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her."[72] Still, the lack of legal validity notwithstanding, there is a consensus among modern historians that same-sex relationships existed in ancient Rome, but the exact frequency and nature of "same-sex unions" during that period is obscure.[73] In 342 AD Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans issued a law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) prohibiting same-sex marriage in Rome and ordering execution for those so married.[74]

A same-sex marriage between the two men Pedro Díaz and Muño Vandilaz in the Galician municipality of Rairiz de Veiga in Spain occurred on 16 April 1061. They were married by a priest at a small chapel. The historic documents about the church wedding were found at Monastery of San Salvador de Celanova.[75]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriag...

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171862 Dec 21, 2012
Jazybird58 wrote:
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The first historical mention of the performance of same-sex marriages occurred during the early Roman Empire.[68] For instance, Emperor Nero is reported to have engaged in a marriage ceremony with one of his male slaves. Emperor Elagabalus "married" a Carian slave named Hierocles.[69] These were usually reported in a critical or satirical manner.[70] It should be noted, however, that conubium existed only between a civis Romanus and a civis Romana (that is, between a male Roman citizen and a female Roman citizen), so that a marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases).[71] Furthermore, "matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her."[72] Still, the lack of legal validity notwithstanding, there is a consensus among modern historians that same-sex relationships existed in ancient Rome, but the exact frequency and nature of "same-sex unions" during that period is obscure.[73] In 342 AD Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans issued a law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) prohibiting same-sex marriage in Rome and ordering execution for those so married.[74]
A same-sex marriage between the two men Pedro Díaz and Muño Vandilaz in the Galician municipality of Rairiz de Veiga in Spain occurred on 16 April 1061. They were married by a priest at a small chapel. The historic documents about the church wedding were found at Monastery of San Salvador de Celanova.[75]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriag...
Cool story bro.

So what?

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#171863 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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I have been enjoying taunting you, but it was for fun, not for any other reason. I am sorry to hear that, but you will, I hope, keep taunting me, too, as I believe that is why we come in here, no ? Stay tough.
you have a deal mr hand.... its all good.. i'm back to stripping as of this past wednesday night and i'm seeing clients again.... but school does start in january

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#171864 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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I have been enjoying taunting you, but it was for fun, not for any other reason. I am sorry to hear that, but you will, I hope, keep taunting me, too, as I believe that is why we come in here, no ? Stay tough.
you know the crazy part is .. that i really don't lie about my life on here.. i think its kinda therapy to express my journey i guess

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#171865 Dec 21, 2012
Jazybird58 wrote:
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The first historical mention of the performance of same-sex marriages occurred during the early Roman Empire.[68] For instance, Emperor Nero is reported to have engaged in a marriage ceremony with one of his male slaves. Emperor Elagabalus "married" a Carian slave named Hierocles.[69] These were usually reported in a critical or satirical manner.[70] It should be noted, however, that conubium existed only between a civis Romanus and a civis Romana (that is, between a male Roman citizen and a female Roman citizen), so that a marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases).[71] Furthermore, "matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her."[72] Still, the lack of legal validity notwithstanding, there is a consensus among modern historians that same-sex relationships existed in ancient Rome, but the exact frequency and nature of "same-sex unions" during that period is obscure.[73] In 342 AD Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans issued a law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) prohibiting same-sex marriage in Rome and ordering execution for those so married.[74]
A same-sex marriage between the two men Pedro Díaz and Muño Vandilaz in the Galician municipality of Rairiz de Veiga in Spain occurred on 16 April 1061. They were married by a priest at a small chapel. The historic documents about the church wedding were found at Monastery of San Salvador de Celanova.[75]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriag...
A 'marriage' mocked by Nero's peers. A seriously demented Caesar...

A speculation that is countered by the attempted 'marriage' of two women in Spain. They were promptly corrected.

That's it?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#171870 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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Yes, did you read the part about "the priest discovered the deception..." ? And using Nero, and the Romans, as examples....LOL.
This is a perfect example of gays using gay twirl talking points without thinking about them. They have no idea what reality has in store. ASSuming that others are as ignorant as they are...

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#171871 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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Although, this last post of yours, apart from a missing comma, and 2 capitals, is spelt perfectly. My bad.
well you know... even a hooker can come close to perfection once in a while

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#171872 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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Although, this last post of yours, apart from a missing comma, and 2 capitals, is spelt perfectly. My bad.
good news is my boobs heeled good... sweet
GMA hits

West Covina, CA

#171874 Dec 21, 2012
The "Good Morning America" weatherman Sam Champion tied the knot in New York on December 21, 2012 Friday with longtime boyfriend Rubem Robierb.
RedRibbon

West Covina, CA

#171877 Dec 21, 2012
My buddy Herman Cain

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171878 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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I'll bet you $1 that he chokes...
Yup. Jizzybird didn't stay long. He was funny. He thought he was a real tough guy!

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171879 Dec 21, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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I lived with one, in London, back in 1986...Helluva gal....
English broad eh. I can dig it. Did she have good teeth? You know those limeys are dentally challenged.

Had a g.f. in Hong Kong. Annie. HOT Chinese girl spoke with a cultured British accent! HUBBA HUBBA! Something about that silly accent. This was in 1969. I'm an old f**k. Proud of it. Lucky to be alive 6 or 7 times over. Like an old cat. Most of my old sidekicks are long gone.
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#171880 Dec 21, 2012
California's ban on therapy that seeks to turn gay minors straight, the first such law in the nation, has been put on hold. A three-judge panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order Friday that the law signed in September by Gov. Jerry Brown will not be allowed to go into effect before a hearing on whether it is legal.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/place/article/C...

“SCOTUS will Rule in June for”

Since: Aug 08

MARRIAGE EQUALITY:-)

#171881 Dec 22, 2012
KiMare wrote:
You and I are GIFTED with one mother and one father. No one can ever replace that relationship.
What you are first and foremost is an IDIOT!!!

I know of a person who's grandchild DOES NOT have a biological father or sperm donor.....the child is solely conceived by the biological mother......seems as if the medical staff took Stem Cells from her bone marrow, which became sperm......which they then took and fertilized her egg and presto......a child was created.......today, that child is a healthy happy 2 year old!!!!

Guess what......that child is an American Citizen and is loved by their mother and her family:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#171882 Dec 22, 2012
Epigenetics is a Key Player in Sexual Preference
Epi-marks act as another layer of information fused to our genes that control their expression. Essentially, genes hold the directions, while epi-marks instruct how they are put into motion and completed.

Historically, epi-marks are eliminated and created anew with each generation, but new research shows that they can occasionally pass over between generations, causing similarities within families and appearing as shared genes.

Sex-specific epi-marks are made during early fetal development and serve as security against the considerable natural variation in testosterone that happens in late fetal development. For example, sex-specific epi-marks prevent female fetuses from becoming masculine when there are unusually high testosterone levels present, and vice versa for male fetuses.

Different kinds of epi-marks safeguard different sex-specific characteristics; some protect the genitals, others protect sexual identity, and this study suggests others keep safe sexual partner preference.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/
articles/253971.php

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#171883 Dec 22, 2012
KiMare wrote:
You and I are GIFTED with one mother and one father. No one can ever replace that relationship.
NorCal Native wrote:
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What you are first and foremost is an IDIOT!!!
I know of a person who's grandchild DOES NOT have a biological father or sperm donor.....the child is solely conceived by the biological mother......seems as if the medical staff took Stem Cells from her bone marrow, which became sperm......which they then took and fertilized her egg and presto......a child was created.......today, that child is a healthy happy 2 year old!!!!
Guess what......that child is an American Citizen and is loved by their mother and her family:-)
What you are first and foremost is a liar.

You know no such thing, because it has not been done with humans.

What you are second is a platinum blonde idiot of unsurpassed degree! What you even suggest is highly unethical.

What kind of person would DELIBERATELY deprive a child of one parent and one gender? Do you even begin to understand the perversion you are promoting once again???

Seriously, you need to get a letter validating your sanity. Just a suggestion, but one I highly encourage you to pursue. Ask your family and friends if they think you are sane, see what they say!

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#171884 Dec 22, 2012
A blonde from 'southern' CA. Why am I not surprised...

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#171885 Dec 22, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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First of all, The Romans were the most decadent society ever conceived. Secondly, Nero was clearly known as insane. Even in Rome, he went beyond the pale. However, That "these were usually reported in a critical or satirical manner.' clearly shows that even these perverse people thought it aberrant, " so that a marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases)." shows that the emperor could overrule the common trends of decency, as is the attempt being made now. Also, "In 342 AD Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans issued a law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) prohibiting same-sex marriage in Rome and ordering execution for those so married." shows the lengths to which such unions were frowned upon. Hmm, doesn't sound like it was accepted back then, either, even though aberrations always occur.
So, in order to be a sport, I will merely say the rest of the story (to paraphrase Paul Harvey) shows that these were not accepted, but exceptions to the rule that has always governed marriage.
I believe you said that no christian church allowed same sex marriage, yet I posted the truth. I also showed that same sex marriage went back several thousand years. Like I said you have no reasonable objection to same sex marriage, none, nada, zip, zilch. Marriage is a contract between two adults of legal age, nothing more. Marriage has nothing to do with reproduction.

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