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There are 3436 comments on the Groong Armenian News Network story from Apr 26, 2007, titled Armenians March On Turkish Consulate Protests Peaceful; No Arrests M. In it, Groong Armenian News Network reports that:

“Despite overwhelming evidence, the Republic of Turkey to this day wages a multimillion-dollar campaign to deny the Armenian Genocide”

ARMENIANS MARCH ON TURKISH CONSULATE PROTESTS PEACEFUL; NO ARRESTS MADE abc7.com, CA April 25 2007 LOS ANGELES, Apr. via Groong Armenian News Network

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Geo

Canada

#1 Apr 26, 2007
Poor Turkey. They could have saved themselves one big migraine. Not to mention tax payers dollars.
Elias

Monash, Australia

#3 Apr 26, 2007
Im not sure why educated Turks just accept that the Turkish Ottomans in their desperation to hold onto their decaying empire slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Armenians in order to prevent a second front infiltrating their country. This was a military decision (albeit a calculating and cold one).

Kemal Ataturk modernised Turkey but refused to acknowledge the sins of the Ottomans and the Turkish military. It would be fair to say the bulk of the Turkish population were anti-Armenian and anti-Christian but not necessarily fanatic. They would have been aware of the genocide in as much the Germans were aware of the decimation of Jews in WW2.

The evidence of this taking place is overwhelming to the point its not worth discussing anymore.

As to Turkey joining the EU - this is simply a move to cash in on the benefits that EU membership brings. It will also allow more Turkish guest workers to take up citizenship in countires like Germany and France.

Im not sure if the EU can continue to turn a blind eye to human rights violations committed by the Turks against the Kurdish minority. The Turks have also voted in a fundementalist government which will not help their case for inclusion
alex

Illawong, Australia

#4 Apr 27, 2007
the turks did not commit the genocide so i really do not think they should admitt to schollars from all around the world were called to europe also top historians from the united state and after hearing both sides of the storey and all the evidence of the past the verdict of inoncence was prevailed and the armenians lies were out in the open THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE
Elias

Bateau Bay, Australia

#5 Apr 27, 2007
alex wrote:
the turks did not commit the genocide so i really do not think they should admitt to schollars from all around the world were called to europe also top historians from the united state and after hearing both sides of the storey and all the evidence of the past the verdict of inoncence was prevailed and the armenians lies were out in the open THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE
Prove it
Geo

Canada

#6 Apr 27, 2007
alex wrote:
the turks did not commit the genocide so i really do not think they should admitt to schollars from all around the world were called to europe also top historians from the united state and after hearing both sides of the storey and all the evidence of the past the verdict of inoncence was prevailed and the armenians lies were out in the open THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE
And your facts to back up your claims are non-existant. Very weak...very Turkish.
ladyteacher

Istanbul, Turkey

#7 Apr 27, 2007
Why doesn't the above article say anything about the Turkish group just across the street protesting the Armenians?

How objective Groong is to say 'they have invented childrens' protection day'!

April 23 is 'Childrens' Holiday' since 1923.
monte m

Meriden, CT

#8 Apr 27, 2007
alex wrote:
the turks did not commit the genocide so i really do not think they should admitt to schollars from all around the world were called to europe also top historians from the united state and after hearing both sides of the storey and all the evidence of the past the verdict of inoncence was prevailed and the armenians lies were out in the open THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE
Your claim must be true because you ended in all CAPS.
Tekirdag

Portsmouth, UK

#9 Apr 27, 2007
Elias wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove it
these are just a few historians whose houses got bombed,attacked and bullied,and they still claim what happened in those days can't be classified as genocide.
Bernard Lewis,Justin McCarthy,Heath Lowry,Stanford Shaw,Samuel Weems.
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I dont personally approve of what ottoman did to armenians(force them to migrate to other parts of the empire) but i just dont get how this can be classified as genocide.when the war ended there were so many armenians in adana,antep,maras e.t.c
but,armenians made another mistake that they helped french invasion forces.when french was beaten by turkish forces and left the country ,many armenians left the country(not all)as well.
if there was a systematic genocide there wouldnt be a single armenian living by the end of first world war.i think most of you dont even know the history of late ottoman,you just copy what everyone else says.
Ani

Montréal, Canada

#10 Apr 27, 2007
Tekirdag wrote:
<quoted text>
these are just a few historians whose houses got bombed,attacked and bullied,and they still claim what happened in those days can't be classified as genocide.
Bernard Lewis,Justin McCarthy,Heath Lowry,Stanford Shaw,Samuel Weems.
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I dont personally approve of what ottoman did to armenians(force them to migrate to other parts of the empire) but i just dont get how this can be classified as genocide.when the war ended there were so many armenians in adana,antep,maras e.t.c
but,armenians made another mistake that they helped french invasion forces.when french was beaten by turkish forces and left the country ,many armenians left the country(not all)as well.
if there was a systematic genocide there wouldnt be a single armenian living by the end of first world war.i think most of you dont even know the history of late ottoman,you just copy what everyone else says.
Excuse me? Ask yourself why there were still Jews in Europe after WWII? Buddy boy it was a genocide. Hitler himself said...'and who remembers the Armenians" because he had the same plans for the Jews. My grandparents lost their whole families, chopped up and slaughtered. My great grandmother who was bed srticken was chopped up in her own bed while pleading with the son of a bitch dog to spare her. My grandmother was an orphan, taken in at the age of 5 as a slave and then thrown out in the garden to die when she was sick. It was the doorman of another building that saved her and took her to an orphange in Istanbul.

SHUT YOUR FAT MOUTH.

If there was no genocide why do so many countries and US states recognize it??? And don't tell me its for the votes during election year. How many Armenians could there be in Finland for example to sway the votes?? Your a dumbass Turk trying to explain away your past crimes in a more diplomatic way.
Ani

Montréal, Canada

#11 Apr 27, 2007
All these earthquakes, buildings collapsing (one just the other day) are only the beginning of your punishment from GOD. He will exact a revenge on you filthy turks to which you haven't seen yet.

You will one way or another pay for your war crimes, in the name of humanity and GOD you will!!!
Armenian Girl

Mendota, CA

#12 Apr 27, 2007
alex wrote:
the turks did not commit the genocide so i really do not think they should admitt to schollars from all around the world were called to europe also top historians from the united state and after hearing both sides of the storey and all the evidence of the past the verdict of inoncence was prevailed and the armenians lies were out in the open THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE
For you Alex
Armenia: Genocide Denied
http://www.genocideevents.com/media/genocided ...

Innocents Betrayed : Calculated Genocide
http://www.genocideevents.com/media/innocents ...
Armenian Girl

Mendota, CA

#13 Apr 27, 2007
alex wrote:
the turks did not commit the genocide so i really do not think they should admitt to schollars from all around the world were called to europe also top historians from the united state and after hearing both sides of the storey and all the evidence of the past the verdict of inoncence was prevailed and the armenians lies were out in the open THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE
Alex for you

http://www.genocideevents.com/media/innocents...

http://www.genocideevents.com/media/genocided...
Tekirdag

Portsmouth, UK

#14 Apr 27, 2007
Ani wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me? Ask yourself why there were still Jews in Europe after WWII? Buddy boy it was a genocide. Hitler himself said...'and who remembers the Armenians" because he had the same plans for the Jews. My grandparents lost their whole families, chopped up and slaughtered. My great grandmother who was bed srticken was chopped up in her own bed while pleading with the son of a bitch dog to spare her. My grandmother was an orphan, taken in at the age of 5 as a slave and then thrown out in the garden to die when she was sick. It was the doorman of another building that saved her and took her to an orphange in Istanbul.
SHUT YOUR FAT MOUTH.
If there was no genocide why do so many countries and US states recognize it??? And don't tell me its for the votes during election year. How many Armenians could there be in Finland for example to sway the votes?? Your a dumbass Turk trying to explain away your past crimes in a more diplomatic way.
your language shows us what kind of person you re.
swearing ,attacking,bombing and killing ,i guess those words must be familiar to you.if you were right you wouldnt choose that path.can you give me detailed info about your grandparents?
you re saying why usa and other countries are recognizing it,well why george bush doesnt say"it is genocide".i m sure you ll be able to answer that question,usa is using this genocide business very well.
what city were your grandparents living?how come they ended up in istanbul?the distance between istanbul and eastern turkey is long,very long?
i can't believe people are buying these stories.i mean you re saying there were systenatic genocide and a doorman was able to take armenian kids to istanbul,are you trying to be funny?becausee you re not.
armenians are still one if the richest community in Turkey,.as i explained there were still many armenians in other part of the country.
you re saying why there were jews in europe?well,because not all europe was invaded by germans,because germans used many jews as labour force as well so they needed them until the end of the war?make sense?and some countries like Turkey saved jews,rescued them during the second war.
what you re doing,is just to attack,swear e.t.c.you dont have any solid argument.all you do is to say my grand dad said this,said that e.t.c.,hear say...
you re armenian who bombs the houses of historians you dont agree with.you are the one who bully historians who object your theories,you are the one who doesnt have knowledge and courage to stand up against a historian who doesnt accept armenian genocide claims but instead hire expensive lawyers,pressurize politicians,affect justuce systema and take the person to the court and make the whole case political show.
because of people like you(who only insult and vomit the crap they have)armenian people who have been living in Turkey dont feel secure,comfortable.the only thing you re doing is to plant seeds of anger and hatred.
you re not comfortable with the idea that people from armenia are coming to Turkey to work ,to live and have a decent life.

You can continue your verbal diarrhea somwhere else,I dont want to argue with people who swear,insult.
sultan selim III

Kirikkale, Turkey

#16 Apr 27, 2007
bullshit!

1. if god is punishing those people (who commit such crimes) with such disasters, then how the heck he (he?) often fails to punish the japs despite the most powerful quakes he sent to japan?

2. if god is punishing the genocide committers in that way, then what's germany's privilege? holocaust doesnt count?

3....and, how do you plan to explain the earthquake that hit armenia in 1988, causing a total of 45.000 lives? you mean armenians too committed a genocide, but hiding it from humanity? if so, how the heck he is not aware of it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stor...

bye.
Ani wrote:
All these earthquakes, buildings collapsing (one just the other day) are only the beginning of your punishment from GOD. He will exact a revenge on you filthy turks to which you haven't seen yet.
You will one way or another pay for your war crimes, in the name of humanity and GOD you will!!!
someone

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Apr 27, 2007
"I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this. The great massacres and persecutions of the past seem almost insignificant when compared to the sufferings of the Armenian race in 1915."

--Henry Morgenthau, Sr. US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire
someone

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Apr 27, 2007
Mustafa Arif
Minister of Interior stated on 13 December 1918...

"Surely a few Armenians aided and abetted our enemy, and a few Armenian Deputies committed crimes against the Turkish nation... it is incumbent upon a government to pursue the guilty ones. Unfortunately, our wartime leaders, imbued with a spirit of brigandage, carried out the law of deportation in a manner that could surpass the proclivities of the most bloodthirsty bandits. They decided to exterminate the Armenians, and they did exterminate them."

Orhan Pamuk
Famous Turkish author stated (and was put on trial for making this statement) in February, 2005...

"one million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it."
sultan selim III

Kirikkale, Turkey

#19 Apr 27, 2007
"if so, how the heck he is not aware of it?" should read as "if so, how the heck we are not aware of it?"
Tekirdag

Portsmouth, UK

#21 Apr 27, 2007
someone wrote:
"I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this. The great massacres and persecutions of the past seem almost insignificant when compared to the sufferings of the Armenian race in 1915."
--Henry Morgenthau, Sr. US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire
A Response by a Turkish-American:
To the Boston Globe Editor:
That Henry Morgenthau III would think his progenitor, Henry Morgenthau the First, was a great guy, is understandable. After all, Alessandra Mussolini, Italian MP and granddaughter of Il Duce, thinks that her grandfather Benito was a great man as well.
The fact is, in 1915, the first Henry Morgenthau, the American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, was desperately trying to draw the U.S. into WWI. An ardent Zionist, Morgenthau was hoping that a defeat and breakup of the Ottoman Empire would lead to the creation of a Jewish state. Furthermore, Morgenthau was none too happy about Theodore Herzl being kicked out of the palace some two decades earlier for daring to offer money to the Ottoman sovereign for the "purchase" of an Israel.
Historical revisionism by fanatical, hatemongering Armenians and their lackeys aside, the fact remains that in 1915, the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire rose in a massive, armed uprising with the aim of creating an ethnically pure Armenian state in Ottoman provinces where the Armenians constituted no more than 18% of the population. In this massive treason occurring during wartime when the Ottoman state was besieged on all fronts, the Armenian traitors massacred hundreds of thousands of Turks, Kurds, Muslims, Jews and anyone and everyone who happened to be non-Armenian. In the eastern city of Van alone, the treacherous Armenian traitors murdered sixty thousand civilians, eventually handing over the city to an invading Russian army. Even the hardened Russian soldiers were sickened at the sight of the atrocities committed by Armenians — so much so that the Russian commander at the scene informed his superiors that he would resign unless he was given permission to pull the murderous Armenians to the back of the lines.
The junior Morgenthau's repetition of the fake Hitler quote, " Who, after all, remembers the extermination of the Armenians?" brings to mind the question asked of Sen. Joe McCarthy: "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" The fact is, the Hitler quote is as bogus as the Protocols of the Elders Of Zion. Dr. Robert John, a political analyst and historian of Armenian descent, many decades ago, pronounced the Hitler quote as fake and said it should not be used by Armenians. It is shameful of Morgenthau III and his benefactors to continue to perpetuate this odious canard.
Aggressors who happen to lose in the end will always attempt to rewrite history. Their offspring, having been raised with hate propaganda, will tend to be fanatical and delusional in their concerted effort at revisionism. And having deep pockets, they will have no problem acquiring hacks and lackeys to further this disgraceful attempt at rewriting history.
....Continue
Tekirdag

Portsmouth, UK

#22 Apr 27, 2007
someone wrote:
"I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this. The great massacres and persecutions of the past seem almost insignificant when compared to the sufferings of the Armenian race in 1915."
--Henry Morgenthau, Sr. US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire
But facts do not change — no matter how slick the con job: In 1915, the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire attempted a bloody land-grab with savage methods of murder, rape, pillage and plunder. In the end, they lost — justice prevailed. Ever since then, these people have been trying to hoodwink the world into believing that a genocide of Armenians occurred. Nothing is beyond the pale as far as these slick operators are concerned. They repeat phony Hitler quotes. Shamelessly, they try to ride the coattails of the very real holocaust of European Jewry by their hijacking of catchphrases, e.g., "Holocaust denier/genocide denier."

At long last, have these people no sense of decency? The Armenian "genocide" is the first and biggest hoax of the twentieth century, far eclipsing the hoax of Clifford Irving's faked autobiography of Howard Hughes. We have witnessed disgraceful lies like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The Armenian Lie is on a par. I'll go one further than the interlocutor of Joe McCarthy: Is there no limit to the depravity of some hatemongering Armenian fanatics and their lackeys?

Ilyas Botas
Tekirdag

Portsmouth, UK

#23 Apr 27, 2007
That Henry Morgenthau III would think his progenitor, Henry Morgenthau the First, was a great guy, is understandable. After all, Alessandra Mussolini, Italian MP and granddaughter of Il Duce, thinks that her grandfather Benito was a great man as well.

The fact is, in 1915, the first Henry Morgenthau, the American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, was desperately trying to draw the U.S. into WWI. An ardent Zionist, Morgenthau was hoping that a defeat and breakup of the Ottoman Empire would lead to the creation of a Jewish state. Furthermore, Morgenthau was none too happy about Theodore Herzl being kicked out of the palace some two decades earlier for daring to offer money to the Ottoman sovereign for the "purchase" of an Israel.

Historical revisionism by fanatical, hatemongering Armenians and their lackeys aside, the fact remains that in 1915, the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire rose in a massive, armed uprising with the aim of creating an ethnically pure Armenian state in Ottoman provinces where the Armenians constituted no more than 18% of the population. In this massive treason occurring during wartime when the Ottoman state was besieged on all fronts, the Armenian traitors massacred hundreds of thousands of Turks, Kurds, Muslims, Jews and anyone and everyone who happened to be non-Armenian. In the eastern city of Van alone, the treacherous Armenian traitors murdered sixty thousand civilians, eventually handing over the city to an invading Russian army. Even the hardened Russian soldiers were sickened at the sight of the atrocities committed by Armenians — so much so that the Russian commander at the scene informed his superiors that he would resign unless he was given permission to pull the murderous Armenians to the back of the lines.

The junior Morgenthau's repetition of the fake Hitler quote, " Who, after all, remembers the extermination of the Armenians?" brings to mind the question asked of Sen. Joe McCarthy: "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" The fact is, the Hitler quote is as bogus as the Protocols of the Elders Of Zion. Dr. Robert John, a political analyst and historian of Armenian descent, many decades ago, pronounced the Hitler quote as fake and said it should not be used by Armenians. It is shameful of Morgenthau III and his benefactors to continue to perpetuate this odious canard.

Aggressors who happen to lose in the end will always attempt to rewrite history. Their offspring, having been raised with hate propaganda, will tend to be fanatical and delusional in their concerted effort at revisionism. And having deep pockets, they will have no problem acquiring hacks and lackeys to further this disgraceful attempt at rewriting history.

But facts do not change — no matter how slick the con job: In 1915, the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire attempted a bloody land-grab with savage methods of murder, rape, pillage and plunder. In the end, they lost — justice prevailed. Ever since then, these people have been trying to hoodwink the world into believing that a genocide of Armenians occurred. Nothing is beyond the pale as far as these slick operators are concerned. They repeat phony Hitler quotes. Shamelessly, they try to ride the coattails of the very real holocaust of European Jewry by their hijacking of catchphrases, e.g., "Holocaust denier/genocide denier."

At long last, have these people no sense of decency? The Armenian "genocide" is the first and biggest hoax of the twentieth century, far eclipsing the hoax of Clifford Irving's faked autobiography of Howard Hughes. We have witnessed disgraceful lies like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The Armenian Lie is on a par. I'll go one further than the interlocutor of Joe McCarthy: Is there no limit to the depravity of some hatemongering Armenian fanatics and their lackeys?

Ilyas Botas

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