Save suffering pit bulls by curtailin...

Save suffering pit bulls by curtailing breeding

There are 282 comments on the LA Daily News story from Jan 29, 2009, titled Save suffering pit bulls by curtailing breeding. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

AS someone who has spent 25 years rescuing pit bulls from conditions we wouldn't visit on our worst enemies, I applaud the city of Lancaster's adoption this week of an ordinance requiring all pit bulls to be ...

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Laura Beth Heisen


#1 Jan 29, 2009
I agree with Ingrid Newkirk\'s support of pit bull breeding bans. I disagree with her reasons. What is the reason we should stop breeding pit bulls? Simple. There are too many of them, and too many are being killed in our shelters every day. The number one dog breed "euthanized" in L.A. City and L.A. County shelters, and across the country, is pit bulls. Here in the greater L.A. area, pit bulls and pix mixes are about 40% of the dogs impounded, and about 60% of the dogs killed. They also cost taxpayers the most to capture, house and kill at our shelters. Until we stop killing thousands of pit bulls a year in L.A. city and thousands a year more in L.A. County, it is inhumane to be breeding more.
PeTA kills animals

Toronto, Canada

#2 Jan 29, 2009
If you want to continue to have companion animals in your life quit listening to PeTAPHILES and other Extremist Animal Rights groups.
Just a few of their beliefs
Message to the Media Re 'Pit Bulls'
CDC Message re Dog Attacks
"A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years (Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998). It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites.
*****There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill."*****
** The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) released statement on the erroneous use and conclusions of the CDC study:[/quote]
Don`t fall for the PeTA line or there will be NO companion animals in this world.
D Pruitt

Darwin, Australia

#3 Jan 29, 2009
Killing the dogs to save them? That fanciful excuse wasn't even dreamed up by the Nazi's! Pits are victims, what does Ms Newkirk expect next, to punish the victims of rape for being ... victims? PeTA is so concerned about other dogs they actually kill close to 95% of companion animals that come into their care, even supporting the canine equivalent of Einzatzgruppen killing dogs in mall carparks and dumping the bodies in dumpsters, they were fined for littering doh! No, BSL is like a cancer and I'm sure Ms Newkirk knows this only too well. It solves nothing and keeps on expanding incorporating other breeds and allowing the killing to continue unabated; geez it looked like a Pit to me, so I killed the poor Lab cross. I'm sure the woman in France who had a face transplant after her own was removed by a Lab would beg to differ with much of what Ms Newkirk generalises.

Portland, TX

#4 Jan 29, 2009
How does PETA continue to get so much money, publicity, and credit for "good deeds" when they are eagerly euthanizing almost every pet dog or cat that falls into their hands? They have a higher euth percentage than even the worst kill shelters in the country.

Nathan Winograd (one of the leaders of the truly ethical "no kill" movement) comdemns PETA--and his position on "pit bulls" is completely opposite. Winograd has proven that overpopulation is, to a large extent, a myth. We don't need mandatory spay/neuter (which doesn't solve overpopulation anyway) to reduce shelter killing. We need to get rid of PETA-like thinking, the idea that some dogs "have" to die or aren't rehome-able simply because of their appearance.

The garbage spouted by Newkirk about pit bulls being more responsible for maimings/killings--that has been scientifically tackled and disproven. It has also been scientifically proven that pit bulls are not stronger than other types of dogs, they do not bite harder, they are not "more dangerous," and they are not genetically programmed to exhibit any behaviors that cannot be found in other types of dogs. If you believe this garbage, you are buying into the propoganda spread by dog fighters and pit bull-haters. Yes, that's right, they're on the same side. Dog fighters' dogs become more valuable and their prestige rises amongst their kind when pit bulls are feared and hated. When pit bulls are seen as cute, normal family pets, the dog fighters wither away in shame, their "macho" self-image destroyed. PETA and others who spread the concept of "pit bull as vicious dog" are only feeding the "macho" image--they are only encouraging pit bull abuse and dog fighting.

Newkirk hates pit bulls because she was bitten by one once and now has a personal vendetta against all of them--she even admits to that. Really ethical, huh? Let's hope she isn't mugged by a black guy some day.

It's also disgraceful that Newkirk and others seem to feel that smaller dogs' viciousness is something insignificant, something to laugh about. I hear it all the time: "I'd rather deal with a vicious Dachshund than a vicious pit bull." Really? Well, what if you only weigh 15 pounds and you aren't even crawling around yet? Still think you could take on a Dachschund that is intent on killing you? Children and the elderly cannot "punt" a small dog away from them, as we adults so flippantly say we will (I doubt many adults have successfully done so anyway--small dogs are notoriously difficult to catch, especially when in a frenzy). A vicious dog is no laughing matter, regardless of the dog's size. There are people out there who are smaller and more helpless than you, and who cannot protect themselves against even the smallest dog's teeth. Newkirk and her ilk, blinded by hatred, seem to have forgotten that.

This was an editorial that didn't deserve to be published. Shame on the LA Daily News for giving voice to hatred.

United States

#5 Jan 29, 2009
Yawn. Same old, same old unsubstantiated anti 'pit bull' rhetoric from the head of an organization that doesn't 'rescue' any dogs.

Why is anyone still listening to Peta?

The goal of the organization is to end domestic animal husbandry, including pet ownership.

This schtick is beyond shopworn, is unfounded and of course, unreferenced.
Fayclis in On-Scario

Etobicoke, Canada

#6 Jan 29, 2009
It sounds like Ingrid is feeling the heat for her stance on supporting BSL. Her "opinion" must have been done to off shootthe cry by animal lovers on that stance. It looks to me that PETA is starting to get hit in their very large chequing account.
If people REALLY check PETA's record they will see through her "Bull". In 2006 PETA took in 2981 dogs and cats, raised 31 MILLION dollars and saved how many? TWELVE! Their record in 2007 was just as bad and other years also speak for themselves. To PETA it does not matter what "type" of dog or cat it is. If they can "put them down" they do. I guess the animal cruelity case they are fighting in court has perhaps "hit" them where they hurt most also. PETA is against companion animals and believe THEM better off DEAD then "enslaved" in loving homes.
"PETA rakes in nearly $30 million each year in income, much of it raised from pet owners who THINK their donations actually help animals" however, their stats SPEAK for themselves.
I hope that people read the December issue of "Sports Illustrated" magazine and see the "LIES" that Ingrid has stated about pit bull "type" dogs. The Canadian Pet Trainers Association" picked them as being one of the TOP TEN to have around children if socialized and raised in loving homes. As a mother and now grandmother I have had "these" dogs around my children and grandchildren for over 20 years and can testify the above statement is true. I have personally met hundreds of young beautiful woman that have raised and rescued these dogs. If a person is well-balanced and loving they raise well-balanced and loving pets. A friend of mine, also with children, has taken in over 200 of these dogs into her home and NEVER had an issue with 1 of them. She has saved these dogs on a meager income. I wonder what SHE could do with 31 million dollars? No matter what, out of 2981 dogs and cats, you can bet your bippy she would have SAVED more than TWELVE of them. SHAME on Ingrid and SHAME on PETA.
There are millions and millions of these dogs out there owned by loving, caring, responsible familes who pay the price for the ignorance and prejudice spread. IT is time to make the "criminal types" pay the price and not the dogs. Get THAT Ingrid?
Jason White

Huntington Beach, CA

#7 Jan 29, 2009
Today's L.A. citizens aren't mature enough to be trusted with pets. No mature adult would have elected the people we elected. We don't even protect our children and our families from the City Hall racist chicanos/aging hippie scum.
Finnegan Dowling

Englewood, CO

#8 Jan 29, 2009
Ingrid, Ingrid, Ingrid - can you please be a wee bit honest about your whole agenda instead of turning one dog owner against another? You don't believe in domestic animals at all - if it was up to you all dogs would be abolished. So turning chihuahua owners, cat owners, et al on pit bull owners is disingenous. Though the wedge tactic - start with abolishing the pits and then move to the other dogs - is bright. I'll give you that. And pit bulls - and their owners - are such easy targets.

Ingrid, hon, I hate fur. I'm for mandatory spay/neuter. But I really wish you would stop wanting my dog, my sweet pit who has never hurt anyone, dead. That's not very animal-lover of you. You would think you'd be trying to create a better world for these poor dogs instead of trying to exterminate them. Holy blame the victim, Batman.

And when we're on dead dogs, what about those ugly incidents with PETA shelters? Dumping dead animals in grocery store dumpsters, taking millions of dollars in donations and then euthing practically everything at your 'shelters'?

Ooopsy. We're not supposed to talk about that now, are we? We're just supposed to put the hamburger down lest we become a murdered. And put the pit bull down, too, in a different way. But somehow that WON'T make us a murderer but rather a savior.

Curious, ain't it?

Minoa, NY

#9 Jan 29, 2009
Again Peta your looking in the wrong direction and generalizing that all Pit bulls are bad instead of seeing the light and blaming the owners of these dogs. It seems your answer to everything is to euthanize. I wish you would close your doors. Your are worthless to the unfortunate animals of this world.

Fairfield, CA

#10 Jan 29, 2009
Wow, talk about fear-mongering...and from a so-called "animal rights" organization?

Thanks for continuing to make my life harder and my dog's life harder. Thanks for making me seem like a criminal who owns a baby-eating dog. Thanks for making it more likely that dogs who look remotely like a pit bull are killed.

As someone who is active in the animal rights community, who works to SAVE animals from slaughter and death, I am deeply disturbed by this attitude - an attitude that encourages fear, paranoia and discrimination, one that encourages killing/discriminating against dogs because of how they look, instead of how they behave as individuals.

"If you had a Chihuahua or a child and someone said, "Behind Door A is a pug or a Labrador, and behind Door B is a pit; you choose which door we will open," which door would you choose? Right. "

That is as silly as asking people "who would you save? the child or the dog in a burning building." You know, the same kind of question YOU are asked by people ill-informed on animal rights issues. You want to be the kettle or the pot?
Daline B

Dallas, TX

#11 Jan 29, 2009

Chicago, IL

#12 Jan 29, 2009
Its nice to see that most of the comments to this article show that people aren't drinking the PeTA Koolaid anymore.

If you want to help animals support your local no-kill or low-kill shelter. They could really use the funds now since individual and corporate donations are down across the nation. And they actually save animals lives and find them good homes.

Toronto, Canada

#13 Jan 29, 2009
I am so sick of this womans fraudulent attempts at spreading hate against animals when she is a supposed spokesperson for animal rights.. how DARE she continue to spread LIES about these dogs, LIES to justify herself and her followers from murdering them and also helping opportunistic politicians to carry out further murders under the guise of public protection..
It has been proven over and over that "pit bulls" have NEVER been a breed to behave
aggressively towards humans..
The "Pit Bull" mythology is urban legend but can be perpetuated by ignorant people like Ingrid Newkirk and a media who enjoy sensationalism wherever they can find or manufacture it.
PUNSH the people who are responible for the crimes against the dogs.. not the dogs..!! DUH!!!!!!

Did ANYONE learn ANYTHING from the VICK situation..???? those abused "pit bulls" mostly found homes with familys.. PETA got themselves media and money over that issue and NEVER used it to help those dogs!
It was a few smaller rescues, BAD RAP, to name one that rehabilitated those dogs and saved them, FIRST from Michael Vick and then from PETA!!!!! STOP giving them money.. FOR DOGS SAKE!!!!
Fayclis in On-Scario

Etobicoke, Canada

#15 Jan 29, 2009
Actually WHAT is in the bible IS
Proverbs: 12:10 "A righteous man regardeth the life of this animals".
But what you know about THAT Kathy, YOU are to interested in soiling find rugs. "Toys of Satan"?
Some of the people that have or own these dogs are: Helen Keller, General Geroge Patton, Rachael Ray, Jamie Fox, Cesar Millan AND President Theodore Roosevelt to name a FEW. However others have been
Michael Vick (football player and dog fighter) DMX (rap star and dog fighter) and if you ever watched a dog fighting video you would KNOW that ANY human aggressiveness is CULLED out as these people are in the rings with the dogs and "dog forgive" if THEY got hurt.
What a joke you are. Before you spew more garbage go LEARN something (but go take care of the fine rug first of course)as it has more value than God's living creatures. Well balanced people have well-balanced dogs and TYPE don't mean crap.
The Beachdog

Temecula, CA

#16 Jan 29, 2009
It totally bears repeating that PeTA collected money to "help" the Vick dogs, all while lobbying hard to have every single dog killed. Not one cent of the money that PeTA collected on behalf of the Vick dogs actually went toward their rehabilitation.

The Vick dogs were rehabilitated by several different rescues, with budgets a fraction of what Ms. Newkirk spends on one of her self-congratulatory faux-celebrity parties.

So glad to see that fewer and fewer people are drinking the kool-aid.

Kansas City, MO

#17 Jan 29, 2009
The *real* reason that PETA wants to ban pit bulls? Because they want all domestic animals extinct. Pit bulls are a breed of dog feared by people, so it's a "good place to start" for them towards their goal of the extinction of domestic animals. After pit bulls, what's next? German shepherds? Labs? All dogs over 30 pounds?

Just a few quotes from PETA about their true agenda:

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist."
- John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic, Washington, DC: PETA

"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete jungles -- from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by which we enslave it."
- John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic, Washington, DC: PETA

"As John Bryant has written in his book Fettered Kingdoms, they [pets] are like slaves, even if well-kept slaves."
- PeTA's Statement on Companion Animals

"Pet ownership is an “absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation.”
- Ingrid Newkirk, PETA

“…Eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship, enjoyment at a distance.”
- Ingrid Newkirk, PETA


#18 Jan 29, 2009
[quote]Through no fault of their own, pit bulls have become the dog of choice for people who don't know or care about dogs and who want this particular dog only because a pit is a "macho" possession - a reflection of the image they want for themselves.[/quote]

Hey Ingrid apparently they`re ALSO becoming the DOG of CHOICE for the Sheriff of Cook County in Chicago Illinois.

Please don`t donate to PeTA if you care about animals and ESPECIALLY if you care about 'Pit Bulls'
Don`t be fooled by this woman.

Richmond Hill, Canada

#19 Jan 29, 2009
This article seems like a more gentle, not quite last-ditch effort by Newkirk to re-establish the public's waning fear of a misunderstood breed. The truth is coming out, and with BSL falling and failing, those who previously agreed with it are starting more and more to see the light.

Must make them folks o'er at PETA shiver knowing they're loosing.
The Beachdog

Temecula, CA

#20 Jan 30, 2009
Yes, Lancaster did pass breed specific mandatory spay and neuter legislation. Unfortunately for the clowns that run the city they did not ask animal control if it was enforceable (parts of it aren't), constitutional (parts of it aren't), or if there was a budget for enforcement (there isn't and won't be for the foreseeable future). So I guess we can consider this just one more stunt by low functioning politicians and PeTA.
Defender of Dogs

Bonner Springs, KS

#21 Jan 30, 2009
AGREED: To get to the TRUTH, reading Nathan Winograd is a MUST!

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