Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#552 Sep 19, 2011
oldbrown wrote:
Anamouse,
Rather than constantly pontificating about public employee pensions I suggest you spend your time taking a remedial spelling course.
Guilty as charged and I know it.

When I write professionally I always use a spell checker an always take the time to proof read what I've written, but when I "pontificate" in a forum I feel like it's an off the cuff conversation and don't take the time to check anything.

I speak up on this topic a lot, because I hope I can make some of these folks think about the math and get really mad at the politicians who made the hollow promises, and even their own Union for being in such a rush to make themselves look good that they were willing to accept deals that were worthless promises.

They got scammed and are about to be ripped off and their still vulnerable to the same tactics.

Their acting like sheep on their way to the slaughterhouse.
Firefighter

Carlsbad, CA

#553 Sep 20, 2011
Anamouse wrote:
<quoted text>
They weren't smart enough to force politicians to give them the pay raises they wanted instead of promising them bigger pensions that they might never get.
They weren't smart enough to force politicians to fund the pensions they promised the firefighters, like every business is forced to by law, because everyone knows when their unfunded their pretty much hollow promises.
They were't smart enough to ask themselves how the next generation will be able to pay all the bills they had to pay, and set aside even more to pay for their retiremetns.
They weren't smart enough to consider the fact that the retirees to working Americans ratio that is expected to destroy the integrity of Social Security will have the exact exact same effect on their pensions too.
And most haven't been smart enough to set a few million dollars aside while they were making a bundle, so that when their official pension goes broke, their not left living 4 to a room in some ranchy retirement hotel, right there next to all the other poor people.
From where I stand, Firefighters look like their happy now, but are going to end up bitter old men, the day they finally admit they have been sold the big one.
Can you say, "yes we were scammed" yet, or are you still insisting that somehow GOD or some other entity that can bend the laws of economics, will reach down and single our firefighters as the chosen people that this entity has decided to save, while the rest of the folks with similar retirement funding problems live in poverty?
We will definitely get our pensions, because the government will never default on our contracts! Lots of government contacts are unfunded but always get honored. Firefighters on the whole are a hell of a lot better off than our idiotic private sector counterparts, and that is why you are the ones who are crying in your soups, and not us!

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#554 Sep 20, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> We will definitely get our pensions, because the government will never default on our contracts! Lots of government contacts are unfunded but always get honored. Firefighters on the whole are a hell of a lot better off than our idiotic private sector counterparts, and that is why you are the ones who are crying in your soups, and not us!
Then why do your puppets want to raise the taxes on our investment income if you feel we're not doing as well as you?
Smacks of jealousy on your part to me.
oldbrown

Reno, NV

#555 Sep 20, 2011
SonOfTC wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the typical response of someone who cannot respond with facts or a cogent counter-arguement: Personally attack the other party in the debate.
Good for you "oldbrown", you can spell! Most of the rest of us would rather concentrate on substance than on form. Plus, some of us TYPE really fast because we THINK really fast. Glad to see you are not burdened with this curse the rest of us are forced to bear.
If you'll read my post again, I didn't "attack", as you put it, I suggested. Big difference. Also, just curious, but how do you know what "most of the rest of us" concentrate on? And you claim that fast typists think fast? Hadn't heard that claim before today.
Firefighter

Carlsbad, CA

#556 Sep 20, 2011
lastoutlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Then why do your puppets want to raise the taxes on our investment income if you feel we're not doing as well as you?
Smacks of jealousy on your part to me.
Many of you are not doing as well as we are, mainly because you private sector fools screwed up our economy! And the private sector individuals who are on the top end of the income scale, are not even paying their fair share of taxes. It is only fair that they also pay their fair share, just like all the middle class workers in the private as well as the public sectors.

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#557 Sep 20, 2011
oldbrown wrote:
<quoted text>If you'll read my post again, I didn't "attack", as you put it, I suggested. Big difference. Also, just curious, but how do you know what "most of the rest of us" concentrate on? And you claim that fast typists think fast? Hadn't heard that claim before today.
Nope. Just saying that fast thinkers tend to over-type themselves. Also, point well taken.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#558 Sep 20, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> Many of you are not doing as well as we are, mainly because you private sector fools screwed up our economy! And the private sector individuals who are on the top end of the income scale, are not even paying their fair share of taxes. It is only fair that they also pay their fair share, just like all the middle class workers in the private as well as the public sectors.
That's not what the numbers say.
http://www.newsmax.com/StreetTalk/obama-buffe...
The numbers don't lie. Isn't math a wonderful thing?
Sam Toliver

Phelan, CA

#559 Sep 20, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> Many of you are not doing as well as we are, mainly because you private sector fools screwed up our economy! And the private sector individuals who are on the top end of the income scale, are not even paying their fair share of taxes. It is only fair that they also pay their fair share, just like all the middle class workers in the private as well as the public sectors.
We know that the CA unioncrat politicians traded the most expensive public union contracts in American history for campaign support. This is referred to under Federal Rico Anti Organizer Crime Statutes as "Quid Pro Quo". Most believe the pension debacle will drive the State into insolvency in 2014 at the latest.

The ONLY question worth discussing is whether the parents in the other 49 States will agree to enslave their children to fund Calif.'s astronomical pensions or whether America will be forced to amputate California from the family of American States??? The same dilemma is currently facing the EU re: Greece.

One option being considered as an alternative is a VAT...Value Added Tax...28% extra tax on all goods and services purchased, manufacturered, or passing through California to fund the pensions. Greece just implimented a 22% VAT in order to address the same nightmare scenerio.

Another option being considered is the CA Fugitive Tax Slave Act which would force non union families to stay in the State as Slaves rather than escape the burden by relocating to another State. Still others are considering leasing out our illegal aliens as common labor to work in other States requiring a large portion of the wages be paid back to the State to fund the pensions.

Every problem has a solution. This is an extinction grade problem so we will all have to "think out of the box" for solutions.
lastoutlaw

Waipahu, HI

#560 Sep 20, 2011
And another one - from the LIBERAL Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/obam... |maing7|dl1|sec1_lnk3|97521

Either Obama is lying, or his sources are lying or both.

I vote option number three.

The numbers, however DON'T lie. They're non-partisan.
lastoutlaw

Waipahu, HI

#561 Sep 20, 2011
And THIS - ALSO from the Liberal Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/pres... |maing7|dl1|sec3_lnk2|97521

THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE - Real numbers, from the Congressional Budget Office as stated by the former U.S. Comtroller General, versus 'estimates' put forth by the White House which sets the baseline on what 'might' happen as opposed to what IS happening.

The numbers don't lie. The budget is a house of bricks built on quicksand. And if you think a budget created on that basis is going to preserve your contracted pension fund; think again. Those of us in the private sector aren't getting entitlements and you claim we're jealous.

Wrong. We're angry that our tax dollars are going to extravigant recession-proof entitlement policies at the expense of the needs of the rest of the country and we're forced to pay for it.

Our own investments; which we rely on because we don't have a pension will do better than a pension fund you entrust someone else to manage. Why? Because WE manage it ourselves; and we determine the growth. We can move it to funds that show promise and profit and remove it from those which don't. We're not stuck with relying on some faceless bureaucrat to do the right thing by us.

And when your funds truly are bankrupt (and the only things immune from bankruptcy law are taxes and Child Support) you'll find your Pension Contracts aren't worth the paper their printed on. Check the bankruptcy law. You'll be a creditor and have to settle for pennies on the dollar.

Before that; you - as a 'contractor'(after all; isn't that what you call a person who has a contract?) will have to settle for I.O.U.'s in lean times like all the others.

Good luck cashing those. Few banks will honor a State I.O.U. Banks are Federally controlled. They're guaranteed by the Federal Treasury. They don't have to honor state chits unless they want to. The policies differ from bank to bank and if the Feds won't back the State I.O.U.'s (which they never have before), then you're stuck.

Meanwhile - my dividend checks will be honored at ANY bank.

Have a good life.
infowarrior1999

Riverside, CA

#562 Sep 20, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
We risk our lives every day for you morons! We don't get paid enough.
everye out there risks there life. bunch of our dudes are at a war for no cause. what about building 7??? ron paul 2012 infowars.com
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#563 Sep 21, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> We will definitely get our pensions, because the government will never default on our contracts! Lots of government contacts are unfunded but always get honored. Firefighters on the whole are a hell of a lot better off than our idiotic private sector counterparts, and that is why you are the ones who are crying in your soups, and not us!
Your crystal ball is not working, I've never worked for an entity that promised me a gushy pension so I had to save for my own retirement, and my investments did very well over the last 10 years, thank you.

I do worry that California will try to keep your pension promises by taxing the heck out of people like me, who the might just decide are "too rich" and don't need all their money, so they can give it to you.

I don't want to leave California, but darn, it's starting to look like that's what I'm going to have to do in order to keep my money.

However it's also looking like "moving" to another tax free state might not be as tough as it sounds.

See if I add up the extra tax burden I will have to pay if I "stay" in California, and spend that money on a small condo in another nearby tax free state, the money I will save in taxes will just about PAY for the condo.

And here's the best part. I can keep my house in Calif, and spend as much time there as I want, because no one can tell how much time I spend there.

I think my new out of Calif condo will be in a nice vacation spot, which is exactly what some of my friends have already done.

Bottom line, your might still see me around here but don't count on my money funding your firefighter pension, because I'm taking it out of state with me, just like most other people I know who are affluent, are planning to do.

However there will be a lot of illegals here, maybe you can get them to pay your pension!
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#564 Sep 21, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> We will definitely get our pensions, because the government will never default on our contracts! Lots of government contacts are unfunded but always get honored. Firefighters on the whole are a hell of a lot better off than our idiotic private sector counterparts, and that is why you are the ones who are crying in your soups, and not us!
Let me give you some numbers so you can have someone who understands high school math explain this to you.

If you go to our states tax site:

http://www.tax-rates.org/California/income-ta...

You can see the California tax rates and approximate amounts all California residents pay in State tax. According to them:

If you make $15K,(like most illegals, you pay $300 in Calif taxes
If you make $45K,(kind of average), y ou pay $3,600 in Calif taxes
I make much more so I pay much more in Calif taxes if I stay here
If you make $100K, your Calif tax bill is $10K

So if I retire in Arizona where there is no state tax and buy a $75K vacation condo, and call it my primary residence, I will save more money in Calif taxes that I will no longer have to pay, than it will cost me to pay off the condo.

My payments will be approimately $4K a year, for my 2 bedroom condo, and I can rent one room out to someone else so the place is never vacant, and I don't have to pay for the whole thing myself.

My phone is a VOIP phone, and I can drive back and forth, so no one will even know how much time I continue to spend in Calif.

Now bad when you figure California actually got me to leave and take all my tax money with me, just by taxing me so much that my accountant told me it would PAY for me to "leave" the state.

Now Mr. Fireman, tell me why other affluent people just like me won't also be listening to their accountants and taking their tax money, and our retirement funding, with them just like I will?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#565 Sep 21, 2011
Anamouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me give you some numbers so you can have someone who understands high school math explain this to you.
If you go to our states tax site:
http://www.tax-rates.org/California/income-ta...
You can see the California tax rates and approximate amounts all California residents pay in State tax. According to them:
If you make $15K,(like most illegals, you pay $300 in Calif taxes
If you make $45K,(kind of average), y ou pay $3,600 in Calif taxes
I make much more so I pay much more in Calif taxes if I stay here
If you make $100K, your Calif tax bill is $10K
So if I retire in Arizona where there is no state tax and buy a $75K vacation condo, and call it my primary residence, I will save more money in Calif taxes that I will no longer have to pay, than it will cost me to pay off the condo.
My payments will be approimately $4K a year, for my 2 bedroom condo, and I can rent one room out to someone else so the place is never vacant, and I don't have to pay for the whole thing myself.
My phone is a VOIP phone, and I can drive back and forth, so no one will even know how much time I continue to spend in Calif.
Now bad when you figure California actually got me to leave and take all my tax money with me, just by taxing me so much that my accountant told me it would PAY for me to "leave" the state.
Now Mr. Fireman, tell me why other affluent people just like me won't also be listening to their accountants and taking their tax money, and our retirement funding, with them just like I will?
Lots of folks must have this figured out. Californians now must pay an EXCESS One Way charge at UHAUL. They have so many vehicles leaving the State and so few Moves back to the State than the surcharge was needed to return all the empty Trucks to California.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#566 Sep 21, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> Many of you are not doing as well as we are, mainly because you private sector fools screwed up our economy! And the private sector individuals who are on the top end of the income scale, are not even paying their fair share of taxes. It is only fair that they also pay their fair share, just like all the middle class workers in the private as well as the public sectors.
Thank you. So the Unions think their neighbors, relatives, and friends who voted for the pro Union politicians are SUCKERS and CHUMPS. You admit you played your neighbors for FOOLS. At least you are being honest for the first time on these posts.

Your "We get to screw you and your families, ha ha ha cause we are Union" postings are very revealing.
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#568 Sep 21, 2011
Alamitos Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of folks must have this figured out. Californians now must pay an EXCESS One Way charge at UHAUL. They have so many vehicles leaving the State and so few Moves back to the State than the surcharge was needed to return all the empty Trucks to California.
In a way I actually feel sorry for the union saps who believed what the union told them and never saved a penny for their own retirement because they were told they didn't need to.

Many have had a lifetime to save, and made plenty enough to have saved for their own retirement but spent all of it living the good life, becasue they were sure their pensions were solid.

Many are good people who don't deserve whats going to happen to them, but it's too late for them to do anything about it.

I must admit, I have noooooo desire to diminish the retirement I saved up for, so that I can help them out, especilly when so many of them arrogantly tell me I'm stupid when I try to wake them up.
Firefighter

Carlsbad, CA

#569 Sep 21, 2011
Sam Toliver wrote:
<quoted text>
We know that the CA unioncrat politicians traded the most expensive public union contracts in American history for campaign support. This is referred to under Federal Rico Anti Organizer Crime Statutes as "Quid Pro Quo". Most believe the pension debacle will drive the State into insolvency in 2014 at the latest.
The ONLY question worth discussing is whether the parents in the other 49 States will agree to enslave their children to fund Calif.'s astronomical pensions or whether America will be forced to amputate California from the family of American States??? The same dilemma is currently facing the EU re: Greece.
One option being considered as an alternative is a VAT...Value Added Tax...28% extra tax on all goods and services purchased, manufacturered, or passing through California to fund the pensions. Greece just implimented a 22% VAT in order to address the same nightmare scenerio.
Another option being considered is the CA Fugitive Tax Slave Act which would force non union families to stay in the State as Slaves rather than escape the burden by relocating to another State. Still others are considering leasing out our illegal aliens as common labor to work in other States requiring a large portion of the wages be paid back to the State to fund the pensions.
Every problem has a solution. This is an extinction grade problem so we will all have to "think out of the box" for solutions.
And yet another idiot who has the nerve to accuse government and union negotiators of committing criminal acts. I have 2 words for you idiots... "Prove It"!
Firefighter

Carlsbad, CA

#570 Sep 21, 2011
infowarrior1999 wrote:
<quoted text>everye out there risks there life. bunch of our dudes are at a war for no cause. what about building 7??? ron paul 2012 infowars.com
Do you get paid to walk into burning buildings, or are you just afraid that you might step on a banana peel?
Firefighter

Carlsbad, CA

#571 Sep 21, 2011
Anamouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Your crystal ball is not working, I've never worked for an entity that promised me a gushy pension so I had to save for my own retirement, and my investments did very well over the last 10 years, thank you.
I do worry that California will try to keep your pension promises by taxing the heck out of people like me, who the might just decide are "too rich" and don't need all their money, so they can give it to you.
I don't want to leave California, but darn, it's starting to look like that's what I'm going to have to do in order to keep my money.
However it's also looking like "moving" to another tax free state might not be as tough as it sounds.
See if I add up the extra tax burden I will have to pay if I "stay" in California, and spend that money on a small condo in another nearby tax free state, the money I will save in taxes will just about PAY for the condo.
And here's the best part. I can keep my house in Calif, and spend as much time there as I want, because no one can tell how much time I spend there.
I think my new out of Calif condo will be in a nice vacation spot, which is exactly what some of my friends have already done.
Bottom line, your might still see me around here but don't count on my money funding your firefighter pension, because I'm taking it out of state with me, just like most other people I know who are affluent, are planning to do.
However there will be a lot of illegals here, maybe you can get them to pay your pension!
I think you should move out of California! We don't need cheap bastards who don't want to pay the people who are out there saving their lives every day.
Firefighter

Carlsbad, CA

#572 Sep 21, 2011
Alamitos Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you. So the Unions think their neighbors, relatives, and friends who voted for the pro Union politicians are SUCKERS and CHUMPS. You admit you played your neighbors for FOOLS. At least you are being honest for the first time on these posts.
Your "We get to screw you and your families, ha ha ha cause we are Union" postings are very revealing.
We don't consider you to be "suckers", we consider you to be ignorant! If you idiots would have chosen a government career over a private sector one, you would not be here crying your eyes out today.

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