State parks ballot measure drawing big money

Conservation groups across the greater San Francisco Bay area are pulling out their pocketbooks for Proposition 21, the November ballot measure that would boost funding for California's 278 state parks. Full Story
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What Justification

Santa Cruz, CA

#41 Oct 7, 2010
Carl Bendix wrote:
<quoted text>On a really local level I've discovered an ongoing transfer of funds from the Santa Cruz County Regional Transportation Commission (SCCRTC) to the Beach Flats Community Center. In order to do this the City of Santa Cruz has to act as recipient of the money since the Beach Flats Community Center cannot do so on their own. The money then goes from the city to a social services organization , Community Bridges, and is then passed on to the Beach Flats Center. This is money initially intended for road construction and repair.
How can they justify this? Is it legal? It doesn't seem to pass the smell test.

Another source of money is the Redevelopment Agency. In the case of the county, the board of supervisors controls the funds. They label areas blighted. There are plans to use RDA money to build a new sheriff department building. I'll bet there are some slime politics involving progressive socialist causes to control the elected sheriff. It would seem to me that a new sheriff headquarters should go to the voters, similar to votes done for new fire stations. Anything else is foul and causes one to wonder what backroom deals are being made. The sheriff should be absolutely independent from the BOS.
Reality Check

United States

#42 Oct 7, 2010
Hill billie wrote:
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You need to read the ballot measure. The $250 million replaces $50 million of of existing day use revenue and $200 million of existing general fund expenditures. That leave the remainder of $250 million for increased funding for state parks and wildlife conservation in the future. That means it all goes to state parks and conservation programs, with 85% to the parks.
The skeptic in me would like a definition of 'wildlife conservation in the future'. Why do I get this sinking feeling that a social program for 'disadvantaged kids' to be bussed out on nature hikes (and all the bureaucracy needed to support it) will be deemed 'wildlife conservation'? That, of course, has nothing to do with State Parks.

Since: Feb 08

Santa Cruz

#43 Oct 7, 2010
Reality Check wrote:
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The skeptic in me would like a definition of 'wildlife conservation in the future'. Why do I get this sinking feeling that a social program for 'disadvantaged kids' to be bussed out on nature hikes (and all the bureaucracy needed to support it) will be deemed 'wildlife conservation'? That, of course, has nothing to do with State Parks.
Now you are beginning to see the creative ways our money is being spent on projects that otherwise wouldn't be approved by the voters.
Think Big

United States

#44 Oct 7, 2010
State Parks are an economic engine that drives local economies like ours!
How many people come to our county because of the beautiful state parks Santa Cruz has to offer? These same people have to eat, lodge and shop while they are here don't they?
Think of all the dollars this VLF will generate for our local economy!
Reality Check

United States

#45 Oct 7, 2010
Think Big wrote:
State Parks are an economic engine that drives local economies like ours!
How many people come to our county because of the beautiful state parks Santa Cruz has to offer? These same people have to eat, lodge and shop while they are here don't they?
Think of all the dollars this VLF will generate for our local economy!
If people are not currently willing to spend the $8 it takes to get into a State Park, I can't say I count on them to 'eat, lodge and shop'.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of the parks. I'm not a fan of additional taxes disguised as fees that 'free up general fund dollars to be spent on other vital programs.' We already pay for the parks, and have since they were established in the 1800's.
Al Swearengen

Santa Cruz, CA

#46 Oct 7, 2010
" said Fred Keeley, a former state assemblyman and now a board member for the Sempervirens Fund"

Payola in action. Connected Keely - getting the payoff of a paid board position for favors done as a politician? Perfect example of a corrupt California system? Vote yourself higher taxes that pay for things you were not aware of and dont want? These services are already paid for and liberal politicians have diverted funding to other unneeded and necessary pet programs? YES, YES, YES, YES....

NO on 21.
Al Swearengen

Santa Cruz, CA

#47 Oct 7, 2010
"Santa Cruz County
Treasurer Tax Collector
Fred Keeley, Treasurer-Tax Collector"

That Keely can lobby while employed by the county shows you how un-ethical Santa Cruz County is. This may be illegal.
Scooter

Santa Cruz, CA

#48 Oct 7, 2010
State Parks has become a bloated, despotic and autocratic agency which panders to the highest bidder, arbitrarily denies access to areas previously open to the public, and does not adequately inform the body politic when it makes major changes to the parks. Do not vote for this coerced fee that adds taxation without any public representation! Do not add more money to these mini-police state quasi-private fiefdoms!
Lynn Gai- Santa Cruz CA

Santa Cruz, CA

#49 Oct 7, 2010
Think Big wrote:
State Parks are an economic engine that drives local economies like ours!
How many people come to our county because of the beautiful state parks Santa Cruz has to offer? These same people have to eat, lodge and shop while they are here don't they?
Think of all the dollars this VLF will generate for our local economy!
Forcing the public in general to purchase something certainly will benefit those receiving the money. Those that wouldn't chose to buy access now still wouldn't get value.The value in excess of cost is not guaranteed.

We could benefit many programs with this approach. Not all the public wouldn't necessarily benefit.
Isn't forced purchase of insurance the mechanism of "health care reform"? If all the public was forced to buy bus passes certainly the service would be well funded.

If anything should be forced to be bought, it should be a fishing license. Then don't fish.
Benefit the fisheries. Build up the fish stocks. Fishing has been behind many local industries. The lure of catching a salmon has been a far greater impact on the local economy than the sales value of the fish caught. Lets restore salmon fishing through hatcheries, fish farming, and conservation of feeder fish.
Bert Timbers

Sacramento, CA

#50 Oct 7, 2010
Oregon has this all figured out. Their parks are perfect. Why can't California take better care of their parks? Vote YES on 21.
Reality Check

United States

#51 Oct 8, 2010
Bert Timbers wrote:
Oregon has this all figured out. Their parks are perfect. Why can't California take better care of their parks? Vote YES on 21.
Oregon vehicle registration is $86 for two years ($43/yr)
What does that have to do with parks?
Their parks are great because their legislature doesn't hold them hostage for their pet programs.

Since: Feb 08

Santa Cruz

#52 Oct 8, 2010
Reality Check wrote:
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Oregon vehicle registration is $86 for two years ($43/yr)
What does that have to do with parks?
Their parks are great because their legislature doesn't hold them hostage for their pet programs.
Yet!
Soquel Local

Salinas, CA

#53 Oct 11, 2010
A tax is a tax is a tax.

Call it what you want, but this is nothing more than a back-door attempt to increase state funds. This money will go straight to the general fund and the parks will be in the same place once again. Furthermore, the parks will get overrun by vandals, transients and people who do not appreciate them. Vote no on this measure and tell Sacramento to cut spending, wages, pensions and welfare among other things.

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