Memorial held for gay Mormon who comm...

Memorial held for gay Mormon who committed suicide in Los Altos

There are 215 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Feb 26, 2010, titled Memorial held for gay Mormon who committed suicide in Los Altos. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Ten years ago, Henry Stuart Matis walked up to the steps of a Mormon church in Los Altos with a note reading "Do not resuscitate" pinned to his shirt, and shot himself.

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rita

Santa Cruz, CA

#1 Feb 26, 2010
lds is a cult that kills! so sorry to hear of more tragedies stemming from the evils of religion.
Frank Stanton

Ballston Spa, NY

#2 Feb 26, 2010
rita wrote:
lds is a cult that kills! so sorry to hear of more tragedies stemming from the evils of religion.
I agree wit you. Most people don't realize that the LDS (Mormons) are a weird Non-Christian cult.
Grand

Tampa, FL

#3 Feb 26, 2010
The name of the church (Mormons) is The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints. Please investigate about the church before you say a Non-Christian
Frank Stanton

Ballston Spa, NY

#4 Feb 26, 2010
Grand wrote:
The name of the church (Mormons) is The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints. Please investigate about the church before you say a Non-Christian
I suggest you do so. It is NOT a Christian church, and no Christian church recognizes themas as such.

Their use of the name "The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints" is part of their "Big Lie" cmpaign.

They are NOT Christians.

http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/are_mormo...

Since: Aug 07

United States

#5 Feb 27, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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I suggest you do so. It is NOT a Christian church, and no Christian church recognizes themas as such.
Their use of the name "The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints" is part of their "Big Lie" cmpaign.
They are NOT Christians.
http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/are_mormo...
Frank, if I may ask, what Christian denomination (if any) do you adhere to?
Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#6 Feb 27, 2010
humor me here wrote:
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Frank, if I may ask, what Christian denomination (if any) do you adhere to?
I'm a Lutheran, and the Lutheran Church specifically teaches that Mormonism is a Non-Christian cult.

Speaking of Mormonism and suicide, it was just announced that Marie Osmond's teenage son committed suicide today.

:(

Since: Aug 07

United States

#8 Feb 28, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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I'm a Lutheran, and the Lutheran Church specifically teaches that Mormonism is a Non-Christian cult.
Speaking of Mormonism and suicide, it was just announced that Marie Osmond's teenage son committed suicide today.
:(
That's sad no matter who is affected by it. Parents should not have to bury their children.

Alright, I am familiar with the Lutheran Church's position. Why do you, specifically, believe this? Just because of the Church? or is there a doctrine you disagree with more than others?
Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#9 Feb 28, 2010
humor me here wrote:
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That's sad no matter who is affected by it. Parents should not have to bury their children.
Alright, I am familiar with the Lutheran Church's position. Why do you, specifically, believe this? Just because of the Church? or is there a doctrine you disagree with more than others?
As far as I know, ALL Christian denominations and churches, including, but not limited to, ALL Protestant churches, ALL Orthodox churches, and the Roman Catholic Church do not recognize the Mormons as Christians BECAUSE......(I'm only citing one reason here, but it is fundamental), the Mormons concept of Yahweh, The Creator Of All Things, is simply too different, and incompatible with Christianity.
Mary

San Francisco, CA

#10 Mar 1, 2010
This is not the pro gay anti Morman story it seems.

The guy wanted to be a Scoutmaster and he couldn't.

Sad that all those boys will never be mentored now.

He should have become a Priest.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#11 Mar 1, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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As far as I know, ALL Christian denominations and churches, including, but not limited to, ALL Protestant churches, ALL Orthodox churches, and the Roman Catholic Church do not recognize the Mormons as Christians BECAUSE......(I'm only citing one reason here, but it is fundamental), the Mormons concept of Yahweh, The Creator Of All Things, is simply too different, and incompatible with Christianity.
Alright.

Are you at a point where you'd listen to me make a simple explanation?

Or is it no matter what explanation I give you, you will still feel the same way? If that is so, I won't waste my time.
Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#12 Mar 1, 2010
humor me here wrote:
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Alright.
Are you at a point where you'd listen to me make a simple explanation?
Or is it no matter what explanation I give you, you will still feel the same way? If that is so, I won't waste my time.
Make your case. I'm just stating what Christian churches teach.

Are you a Mormon ?

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

Niles, IL

#13 Mar 1, 2010
Just as the fundamentalists are out of line when they tell me I can't be Xtian because I'm gay, anyone who tells Mormons that they are not Xtian are wrong.

Nobody gets to decide who's a Xtian, except the individual in question and God.
Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#14 Mar 1, 2010
Dasein9 wrote:
Just as the fundamentalists are out of line when they tell me I can't be Xtian because I'm gay, anyone who tells Mormons that they are not Xtian are wrong.
Nobody gets to decide who's a Xtian, except the individual in question and God.
What you say is true. However, I was stating the official position of the major Christian bodies. Their position is that Mormons are not Christians, anymore than Hindus are Christians.

If a Mormon wants to insist they are a Christian, I cannot do anything to change that. If he also wants to insist that the moon is made of green cheese, I also cannot do anything about that.

But his insistence of those things do not make them true.
Jesus Christ rules

Great Falls, MT

#15 Mar 1, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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What you say is true. However, I was stating the official position of the major Christian bodies. Their position is that Mormons are not Christians, anymore than Hindus are Christians.
If a Mormon wants to insist they are a Christian, I cannot do anything to change that. If he also wants to insist that the moon is made of green cheese, I also cannot do anything about that.
But his insistence of those things do not make them true.
Catholics do the same thing! But, the apostles were called christians by others who witnessed their fruits of a true christian. Which by the way were fruits of righteousness!
Jesus Christ rules

Great Falls, MT

#16 Mar 1, 2010
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Since: Aug 07

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Mar 1, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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Make your case. I'm just stating what Christian churches teach.
Are you a Mormon ?
Yes, but I am a convert of 30 years and a former atheist and Southern Baptist. I realize it's an odd mix, but this unique blend helps me do a couple things my LDS brethren usually don't.

I understand the difference between dogma for the sake of dogma and foundational beliefs. Notice I didn't say "truths." Religion, ALL religion, is an interpretation of faith. You have no more "truth" than anyone else. I don't have any more "truth." I stand up almost every Testimony meeting and say something to the effect of "I know the Church is true," because I have had multiple personal witnesses that the Son of God is at the head of this church, because I have prayed sincerely, in Christ's name, and received solemn witness of it.

But to be honest, I cannot claim truth unless I have had multiple outcomes, as the result of valid experiments, using the scientific method repeatably and controllably. So neither ONE of us can claim truth, because if it is proven, faith is no longer necessary.

So what you are saying, Frank, is that very few churches AGREE with us. This, I can accept. I am fully aware of our theology annd how it rubs people the wrong way. Let me give you a single point of doctrine, but preface it thus:

We believe that Christ atoned for everyone's sins. Not everyone accepts the gift, but everyone (with the exception of very few people) will be resurrected. AND for these people, there is no "lake of fire," except the memory of their misspent lives on Earth and how much they wished they could take back and how much they wished they would have been more like Christ, so they could enjoy the blessings others are experiencing now...

With this preface out of the way,(and you see we don't condemn anyone to hell depending on how they believe or disbelieve) let me give you the reason.

IF Joseph Smith Jr., a young lad of 14, ACTUALLY SAW the Father and the Son in that grove of trees outside of Palmyra, NY, in the way early 1800's, IF he saw Them, which I believe, totally and completely..

And from that moment on (which I DON'T believe--but just for the sake of argument) everything went wrong. If Smith did EVERY SINGLE THING WRONG after that moment...

That still says that all the churches on the earth had gotten so corrupted (like corrupt data--not necessarily evil) that there needed to be a restoration. EVEN IF the whole LDS Church is WRONG, it still means that IF that First Vision actually happened, your church, the Methodists, the Catholics, the Presbyterians, Baptists, Calvinists, Shakers, Quakers, and et cetera, we wrong or incomplete enough to need an entire reboot.

So, it is in THEIR best interests not to accept the LDS Church as even tolerable. You see, it really is a mutually exclusive world. If the Baptists, for example, were to accept the LDS Church, it is implied that if the LDS Church considers the Baptists somehow FALSE. And since, to the Baptists, anyone not believing in true religion will go to HELL, it's pretty simple.
rita

Santa Cruz, CA

#18 Mar 1, 2010
lds, long hitory of seually exploiting women, forcing out younger menv(competition) and making cquiring money the top priority. Mountain Meadow Masacre came from the top of the church, not one bishop, as thier recidivist history states. They continue to lie, cheat, steal and dupe. If your special underwear is so great, shy don't you try shooting yourself, pointblank, to see if it works?
rita

Santa Cruz, CA

#19 Mar 1, 2010
with typos corrected: lds, long history of sexually exploiting women, forcing out younger men (competition) and making acquiring money the top priority. Mountain Meadow Massacre came from the top of the church, not one bishop, as thier recidivist history states. They continue to lie, cheat, steal and dupe. If your specil underwear is so great, why don't you try shooting yourself pointblank to see if it works?

Since: Aug 07

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Mar 1, 2010
rita wrote:
with typos corrected: lds, long history of sexually exploiting women, forcing out younger men (competition) and making acquiring money the top priority. Mountain Meadow Massacre came from the top of the church, not one bishop, as thier recidivist history states. They continue to lie, cheat, steal and dupe. If your specil underwear is so great, why don't you try shooting yourself pointblank to see if it works?
Boy gee willikers, you've got some pent up feelings. May I ask where you get some of these?
Stan Franton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#21 Mar 1, 2010
humor me here wrote:
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Yes, but I am a convert of 30 years and a former atheist and Southern Baptist. I realize it's an odd mix, but this unique blend helps me do a couple things my LDS brethren usually don't.
I understand the difference between dogma for the sake of dogma and foundational beliefs. Notice I didn't say "truths." Religion, ALL religion, is an interpretation of faith. You have no more "truth" than anyone else. I don't have any more "truth." I stand up almost every Testimony meeting and say something to the effect of "I know the Church is true," because I have had multiple personal witnesses that the Son of God is at the head of this church, because I have prayed sincerely, in Christ's name, and received solemn witness of it.
But to be honest, I cannot claim truth unless I have had multiple outcomes, as the result of valid experiments, using the scientific method repeatably and controllably. So neither ONE of us can claim truth, because if it is proven, faith is no longer necessary.
So what you are saying, Frank, is that very few churches AGREE with us. This, I can accept. I am fully aware of our theology annd how it rubs people the wrong way. Let me give you a single point of doctrine, but preface it thus:
We believe that Christ atoned for everyone's sins. Not everyone accepts the gift, but everyone (with the exception of very few people) will be resurrected. AND for these people, there is no "lake of fire," except the memory of their misspent lives on Earth and how much they wished they could take back and how much they wished they would have been more like Christ, so they could enjoy the blessings others are experiencing now...
With this preface out of the way,(and you see we don't condemn anyone to hell depending on how they believe or disbelieve) let me give you the reason.
IF Joseph Smith Jr., a young lad of 14, ACTUALLY SAW the Father and the Son in that grove of trees outside of Palmyra, NY, in the way early 1800's, IF he saw Them, which I believe, totally and completely..
And from that moment on (which I DON'T believe--but just for the sake of argument) everything went wrong. If Smith did EVERY SINGLE THING WRONG after that moment...
That still says that all the churches on the earth had gotten so corrupted (like corrupt data--not necessarily evil) that there needed to be a restoration. EVEN IF the whole LDS Church is WRONG, it still means that IF that First Vision actually happened, your church, the Methodists, the Catholics, the Presbyterians, Baptists, Calvinists, Shakers, Quakers, and et cetera, we wrong or incomplete enough to need an entire reboot.
So, it is in THEIR best interests not to accept the LDS Church as even tolerable. You see, it really is a mutually exclusive world. If the Baptists, for example, were to accept the LDS Church, it is implied that if the LDS Church considers the Baptists somehow FALSE. And since, to the Baptists, anyone not believing in true religion will go to HELL, it's pretty simple.
I am not going to argue with you. I'm a Lutheran of over 50 years, have been taught that Mormons are not Christians, I believe most Christians and Christian churches believe that, and I see no reason to change that belief.

We have Freedom Of Religion in the US, so if believing in Mormonism makes you happy, well that's fine for you. But just as a Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, and Moslem is not a Christian, so too are Mormons not Christians.

If you do not agree, then we just disagree.

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