Pony vs Little League

“Your bear to cross”

Since: Aug 09

Whittier, California

#42 Mar 13, 2013
You do have to check the leagues out yourself, talk to other parents and better yet, talk to kids. What do they like, what do they not. Make your own decision and consider safety and fun before considering how the coach of a squad of nine year olds is going to affect Juniors standing in the draft come 2222.

Loose bases are great when you have kids who can throw strikes. Great for teaching base running skills and training catchers. Problem is that most teams, especially the younger kids, have a hard time getting balls over the plate making for a generally dull game. Too few balls put in play, too many kids standing around ... kinda like a rotten kiddie ball practice. Ripken actually uses machines for kids under nine and the games move along a lot quicker and the kids stay a lot more engaged.

As far as that goes, if you are shopping for a team and stop by to view a practice that consists of an adult throwing BP while ten kids stand around in the OF consider another team or maybe another league.
LMLL Parent for years

Simi Valley, CA

#43 Mar 20, 2013
The new LMLL Is the best since Aaron and his Wife took over its great to see someone is doing the right thing for are kids not trying to make a buck like board members take dont have kids there but they are still there trying to get their hands in that tip jar and there is more then one a few its sad to say but true those people just need to move on and let the new board keep doing an awesome job for are kids LM Dad
really

United States

#44 Mar 20, 2013
LMLL Parent for years wrote:
The new LMLL Is the best since Aaron and his Wife took over its great to see someone is doing the right thing for are kids not trying to make a buck like board members take dont have kids there but they are still there trying to get their hands in that tip jar and there is more then one a few its sad to say but true those people just need to move on and let the new board keep doing an awesome job for are kids LM Dad
Hahahahahaha. Good one.

“Your bear to cross”

Since: Aug 09

Whittier, California

#45 Mar 20, 2013
Another reason to play LL and not Pony are the uniforms PL coaches have to wear at the sanctioned tournaments.

Old, fat, grey-haired guy + BB togs = wrong
lmparent

United States

#46 Mar 21, 2013
really wrote:
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Hahahahahaha. Good one.
President monica the one who is really running things
LMLL POP

Simi Valley, CA

#47 Mar 22, 2013
lmparent wrote:
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President monica the one who is really running things
And she is doing two snack shacks and they both are running fine and for once making alot of cash thats going back to my grandkids sport they love so much and behind every great man is his woman and President Monica keep it up pretty little lady
lmparent

United States

#48 Mar 23, 2013
LMLL POP wrote:
<quoted text> And she is doing two snack shacks and they both are running fine and for once making alot of cash thats going back to my grandkids sport they love so much and behind every great man is his woman and President Monica keep it up pretty little lady
Hahahaha. Ok. You must be her dad.
The Corrector

Lawndale, CA

#50 Mar 24, 2013
Will Murray Forrest Hills wrote:
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Not stealing is closer to the real game?!? Hahah... What?! Really?!?
What about a fly ball or line out? The base runner has to get his ass back to the base!
The bases are 60' in Mustang because that's appropriate for most kids that age. Yes some kids will be too speedy, but most fit well.
The 2 year progression flows with the growth of the kids. Once kids hit 11/12 they are bigger stronger and faster and need a bigger field, thus the 70' bases of bronco level.
This is also why the LL World Series that is televised every year is such a laugh fest. 12-13 year old kids would be playing on MUCH larger fences in PONY league. At 11-12, kids are in Bronco which is a 225' fence, 70' bases, and 48' mound. Not the tiny 200' fence like LL that results in a continual HR derby.
And at 13-14 kids are Pony level (in PONY league), which is a 275' and 80' bases, 54' mound.
There is also a 15-16 age group called Colt which is a pro sized field, and 17-18 "palomino" that uses the same field. But Colt and palomino have more or less disbanded due to JV becoming more popular and of course Variaty HS ball...
Your comments are the very reason LL kids lack the talent of PONY players. "Plays are closer at second?" Not if the infielders practice turning double plays with speed and precision! And if someone is stealing second in the pros before the ball is hit, the infielders often don't go to second! Duhh!!!
Everything may be a triple due to errors in the LL your kid plays in. But by the time I was in mustang (full pro rules besides the little cheek flap on helmet and number of innings) there were very few errors. We had discipline to not throw the ball all over the place.
I remeber being a 1st year mustang player and making B all stars (only 2nd year guys made A). But our park decided to enter us into a Babe Ruth league all star tourney.(LL rules) We had to relearn the rules (no lead offs, steal after the ball crosses plate, smaller bats)...
It was laughable!! We destroyed every team by mercy rule and walked away with the championship. I actually felt bad for the other kids who were even a bit older than us. 11-13?
If you submerges your own kids in LL and PONY, you will instantly see the difference.
Dude, Get your facts straight, Little League World Series is played in Williamsport with 60ft bases and 220ft-225ft fences. Also, plenty of kids stil play juniors in little league which is 90ft bases and 60ft mound. Little League is the big time, Pony is the minors, ask ABC and ESPN. I think your Baseball memories are a little faded.
DAJDDAAA

Lawndale, CA

#51 Mar 24, 2013
I thought Dwight was the president?
Do they still give away free food to board members?
I also noticed, do board members get something for having the most badges? They collect them like the stickers on a football players helmet. Are they atta boy badges?

“Your bear to cross”

Since: Aug 09

Whittier, California

#52 Mar 24, 2013
The Corrector wrote:
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Dude, Get your facts straight, Little League World Series is played in Williamsport with 60ft bases and 220ft-225ft fences. Also, plenty of kids stil play juniors in little league which is 90ft bases and 60ft mound. Little League is the big time, Pony is the minors, ask ABC and ESPN. I think your Baseball memories are a little faded.
Not so sure about the blanket statement,“Little League is the big time, Pony is the minors, ask ABC and ESPN.”

I'd have to say that the ABC/ESPN/Disney connection to Little League Baseball has more to do with global marketing and tradition than it does with competitive equity. Maybe you can ask Bob Iger next time he has you over for cocktails on the yacht.

My personal recollections of the last couple dozen years are the best rec ball league all-stars East of the 605 have come out of Pony organizations like Charter Oak, Chino Hills, Placentia, and even Whittier.

Mostly the head to head games are played between one league's de facto all-stars at a given age and another's either in tournaments during the fall or winter or even in winter ball leagues.

The best SoCal LL all-star crew in recent memory were the boys from Thousand Oaks' Conejo Valley LL who won the LL World Series in 2004. They also played together year round as the Conjeo Valley Cougars and gave the USSSA Major Division a go after taking it all in Williamsport. I don't think they ever won more than one game in a tourney and finally went back to some success as a AAA team and in either Triple Crown or one of the other groups. Kids could sure hit but they only had one A+ pitcher which is about two short of what a team needs to win in the rarefied world of travel BB.:-J
South Gate

South San Francisco, CA

#53 Oct 29, 2013
I would NOT go back to pony league....I know all leagues have issues, but pony league, let me tell you that the board members are involved....starting with the president, Scott...then you have other board members like Cruz....they join together to stack up a team...they freeze up to 8 kids, REALLY!....that's almost the whole team....there's more but I'm done...I'm already getting pissed off just writing this....
BARACK HUSSEIN

Rosemead, CA

#54 Nov 1, 2013
South Gate wrote:
I would NOT go back to pony league....I know all leagues have issues, but pony league, let me tell you that the board members are involved....starting with the president, Scott...then you have other board members like Cruz....they join together to stack up a team...they freeze up to 8 kids, REALLY!....that's almost the whole team....there's more but I'm done...I'm already getting pissed off just writing this....
It does start to get a little shady once you get to the Pony division. since there are only enough kids to support 3-4 La Mirada Pony teams in that division, there are a lot of hi-jinks that occur in order to collect talent for one good team. Scott and Luis mean well, but sometimes winning trumps ethics. It's a fact in EVERY "kid" sport.
Erie

Buena Park, CA

#55 Nov 16, 2013
LMHS BB wrote:
It's baseball, let the kids play. As long as no games are being played in the back room by the adults by stacking teams and the playing field is level, the kids will have fun. Adults with their own plan really tend to be the wrong people for these leagues.
How can I know if that happends? This spring season will be the first time I'm putting my son in baseball. This is what I don't want to happen. I don't want my son be a grown adults last pick.
LMBA

Whittier, CA

#56 Nov 16, 2013
Stop by the registration tables on Sunday and ask some questions. It will be good for you to learn more about the process for your son's age group and learn how to help him be ready for the season.
Erie wrote:
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How can I know if that happends? This spring season will be the first time I'm putting my son in baseball. This is what I don't want to happen. I don't want my son be a grown adults last pick.
LLPRO

La Mirada, CA

#57 Nov 21, 2013
Sign up for little league instead. They do not allow players to be frozen in the draft. All players must try out and be drafted. Freezing players encourages shenanigans. Just look at how some of the teams have been stacked for certain coaches in LMBA. Just the Facts
Both have Issues

La Mirada, CA

#58 Feb 7, 2014
Both leagues have their problems. Little league is all about the Board members and Pony is all about winning. Neither puts the kids first.
Seriously

Whittier, CA

#59 Feb 7, 2014
Many look for problems wherever they go and are never happy. From the players perspective they are happy playing at both. The problem is parents. Just because things may not go the way they want it to they complain.
Agreed

Mountain View, CA

#60 Feb 7, 2014
Both have Issues wrote:
Both leagues have their problems. Little league is all about the Board members and Pony is all about winning. Neither puts the kids first.
No truer words ever spoken.
David Chavez

Whittier, CA

#61 Feb 13, 2014
Luis Cruz probably gave my son the worst experience in youth baseball ever.. He verbally abused my son. Called him a little (women's anatomy). Said this sport wasn't for him. And also that me and my wife should enroll him into a lesser competitive sport such as soccer or tennis. I mean come on. Really? All I have to say is if you want to have your child in a better coaching environment go to Brea or Fullerton.. They have coaches who know how to support kids through the learning the fundamentals process.. Luis Cruz thanks for being a D. Bag. May you rot in hell and get what's coming to you.. You will pay for your actions.. Rot in hell sir..
David Chavez
Luis Cruz

La Mirada, CA

#62 Feb 22, 2014
David Chavez (if that is really your name),
If I really said any of this to you, your wife and more importantly, your son, I would think as a parent you would confront me face to face. For you to write down these lies about me and to say for me to rot in hell, you have some serious issues you need to deal with. I have no idea who you are or who your son is. If you would like to be a man and talk to me face to face, you know how to get a hold of me. I will wait for your response and look forward to discussing this matter with you.

Luis Cruz
LMBA

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